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[paxxton]

Jusseb wrote...

Maybe it's just a standard satellite hovering earth?

Yup. Looks like an average satellite with solar panels.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

demersel wrote...

It is a simple question - What happens to Cronos station?

Considering we are just about to do the massive assult on Earth I would guess that once resistance has been fought down Hacket sends in a few teams to recover the most obviuos assets (like the parts of the Proto Reaper) and then blows it to hell as Shepard asked him too.

After all he cannot leave a sizeable force to deter any Cerberus attempts at taking it back as he needs those soldiers at Earth, safer and faster to just blow it up.

And you know about it from where exaclty? 

I dont know and I said I guessed, but I base it on what we see, are told and what can be logically concluded.

Hacket is allready using the big guns against Cronos Station as he reveals when he tells the fleet to hold back as to not hurt Shepard and co still inside.

Shepard responds by telling him to go all out and blow the damn thin to hell.

All of this is taking place after Hacket says there will be no hiding the Crucible once the Alliance fleet moves in to assaul Cronos, so the assault on Earth is locked in the moment we hit Cronos as we are essentially on a timer. This urgency only increases as we learn the Citadel has been moved to Earth.

And we will need every single soldier for said assault upon Earth, not to mention ships as the odds are allready against us so leaving a sizeable force at Cronos station (By sizeable it would need to be something containing at least a few Cruisers as from what we see Cerberus has cruiser themselves) is something I would clal out of the question.

Leaving the station undefended is even more risky as it would allow Cerberus to move right back in.

So by logical deduction going by the facts that we are on a timer, Hacket is allready firing at the station and Shepard is telling him to blow it up I would conclude that Hacket did not waste much time scavenging the station, only just enough to get important goods (like the Proto Reaper parts) and just blew it up since they by all logic cant afford to leave a force to protect it.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 23 octobre 2012 - 12:42 .

[Apocaleepse360]

Honestly, I'm wanting anything right about now. I was kind of hoping that Leviathan would give us that edge we needed to win conventionally, but apparently not. It's a good theory, definitely better than the entire Earth section written by BioWare.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Maybe it's just a standard satellite hovering earth?

Yup. Looks like an average satellite with solar panels.

looks like a generic GPS or comm satellite. 

[Jusseb]

estebanus wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

I liked the piano music at the end, really made me feel sad...just like the ending....just plain sad.

It made me feel sad... but in a very wrong way.

You were not the only one *pat on the back*

Meh. It's been way too long for me to care.

Come on, don't be like that. 

The evidence just keeps piling up, i'm sure we'll get wat we want at the end of the DLC cycle. 

It was meant to be this way, otherwise many of us wouldn't have this great discussions and speculation thread 

[demersel]

Jusseb wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

I liked the piano music at the end, really made me feel sad...just like the ending....just plain sad.

It made me feel sad... but in a very wrong way.

You were not the only one *pat on the back*

Meh. It's been way too long for me to care.

Come on, don't be like that. 

The evidence just keeps piling up, i'm sure we'll get wat we want at the end of the DLC cycle. 

It was meant to be this way, otherwise many of us wouldn't have this great discussions and speculation thread 

Actually the onle way it does work - is if you don't know what follows next, if anything at all for some time. 

[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Maybe it's just a standard satellite hovering earth?

Yup. Looks like an average satellite with solar panels.

looks like a generic GPS or comm satellite. 

if it really is a generic satellite, why does it look like it is going inside the citadel just as its closing?  Why would BioWare film this?  If it is just a generic satellite it is a big waste of resources to film a tiny 5 second scene if it has no bearing on the upcoming scene. The very next scene shows the arms of the citadel shutting completely and the beam powering on

Whats funny is there's another scene where BioWare films something slipping into the citadel just before the council shuts the citadel as. ME1 with sovereign 

[ElSuperGecko]

Wowky wrote...
While I think the IT has plenty of convincing points and is very cleverly put together, my biggest question is: why would Bioware wait this long to do anything about it? I mean when we were still only a few weeks after launch of the game, I could see it being a cool "long game" tactic, but we're coming up on nearly 8 months since ME3 came out. As much as I love the theory, so much time has passed that I don't know this is what they had in mind, and if they did, they are risking people just not caring by a certain point (I love ME3 and will buy all the DLC though, but I imagine others will probably get over it and if they have a "big reveal" the impact will be lost)

The obvious answers are DLC and, eventually, ME4.

It's clear that ME3 is going to be the LAST Mass Effect game for the current generation of games consoles - ME4 will likely arrive on PC at the same time as the next Xbox, and the next Playstation.

But hype for ME4 will likely be generated in a large part by the ongoing story of Mass Effect 3.

If the Mass Effect 3 story had been clear cut, if it had all been tied up neatly, then people would have finished with the game after what - a month?  Two?  Three at the most?

As it stands, people are still looking for hidden meanings, discussing the ending, the story, delving into the lore over 8 months afterwards.  We're probably going to continue receiving DLC for Mass Effect 3's single player and multiplayer for the next 12 months.  ME3 is effectively a marketing machine that will drive interest on to the NEXT game in the series... and so, to generate the most hype and the most interest in the next game, Bioware will leave us guessing and leave the final sting in the tail for last.

So, will we get a big reveal?  A plot twist?  We won't know all the answers until the DLC cycle is complete, and by that time ME4 will be knocking on our door.  Until then... we speculate!! 

[CmdrShep80]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

It is a simple question - What happens to Cronos station?

A simple answer - nothing.

If cronos station is indeed destroyed how do we get the war assets following the mission?

Reaper HeartRequires: This War Asset is received after the assault on The Illusive Man's base, but only if the player chose to destroy the Collector Base in Mass Effect 2. Along with its base value, it also lowers the EMS requirements for the best "destroy Reapers" endings.
Military Strength:[/b] 100

Reaper BrainRequires: This War Asset is received after the assault on The Illusive Man's base, but only if the player chose to save the Collector Base in Mass Effect 2. Along with its base value, it also lowers the EMS requirements for the best "control Reapers" ending.
Military Strength:[/b] 110
The Illusive Man salvaged the most valuable part of the human proto-Reaper under construction by the Collectors: its central processor. This "brain" has been reactivated for use as a computational device, crunching unheard amounts of data in nanoseconds. The Crucible's engineers are dissecting the processor, working in strictly supervised, drone-assisted shifts. While direct contact with Reapers is dangerous, the engineers feel the risk is worth the potential discovery of vulnerabilities in Reaper construction.↑ hide



After Commander Shepard destroyed the Collector base, Cerberus spent months picking through irradiated rubble for anything useful. The human proto-Reaper the Collectors were building lay in pieces. But its incomplete core survived. The power cell would have been capable of fueling a full-fledged Reaper. After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.↑ hide

[Jusseb]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Maybe it's just a standard satellite hovering earth?

Yup. Looks like an average satellite with solar panels.

looks like a generic GPS or comm satellite. 

if it really is a generic satellite, why does it look like it is going inside the citadel just as its closing?  Why would BioWare film this?  If it is just a generic satellite it is a big waste of resources to film a tiny 5 second scene if it has no bearing on the upcoming scene. The very next scene shows the arms of the citadel shutting completely and the beam powering on

Whats funny is there's another scene where BioWare films something slipping into the citadel just before the council shuts the citadel as. ME1 with sovereign 

It's not going inside the citadel the way i see it.

And the scene is probably meant to show the magnitude of the Citadel hovering earth.

For me it's clearly just a 'standard' satellite that's in orbit around earth.

Modifié par Jusseb, 23 octobre 2012 - 01:45 .

[Gwyphon]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Maybe it's just a standard satellite hovering earth?

Yup. Looks like an average satellite with solar panels.

looks like a generic GPS or comm satellite. 

if it really is a generic satellite, why does it look like it is going inside the citadel just as its closing?  Why would BioWare film this?  If it is just a generic satellite it is a big waste of resources to film a tiny 5 second scene if it has no bearing on the upcoming scene. The very next scene shows the arms of the citadel shutting completely and the beam powering on

Whats funny is there's another scene where BioWare films something slipping into the citadel just before the council shuts the citadel as. ME1 with sovereign 

Think it's just a cinematic way of showing how large the citadel is compared to human tech. Personally I think the scene is purely to set the oppressed and daunted feeling you have for the rest of the game. Supersticious awe of reaper tech, I guess... 

[CmdrShep80]

Oops the phone didn't copy the bottom two parts right but eh you get the idea. However I have to say if these were pulled out of cronos and used on the crucible there's implied a particularly big time gap between assault Cerberus base and priority earth. How does these two things get to the crucible. Though what makes more sense is to study it there on the base itself yet the heart/core discounts this because the engineers believed it could be used to power the crucible. So again the time gap

[ElSuperGecko]

starlitegirlx wrote...
...an essay in pure epic, genius, win

Bravo!



Bravo. 

[demersel]

How could you get the heart of the human-reaper if it is one of the things you shoot to kill him regardless of whether you keep or destroy the base after? Unless cerberus already had a heart of their own....

Modifié par demersel, 23 octobre 2012 - 01:58 .

[demersel]

starlitegirlx wrote...
****Snip****

Well said, Starlitegirlx. Well said. 

[DoomsdayDevice]

That's just a satellite being darkened by the shadow of the huge Citadel. It's just an illustration of the Citadel's size as it orbits Earth.

With all respect, I like speculating too, but you people seriously need to stop seeing ghosts everywhere. Not to mention all the crazy talk about TIM being a Reaper and what not.This needs to stop. Any new person taking a look in here will think we're a bunch of tinfoil crazies.

Just stop. Or make a separate thread. In any case, the IT thread doesn't need this.

[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

How could you get the heart of the human-reaper if it is one of the things you shoot to kill him regardless of whether you keep or destroy the base after? Unless cerberus already had a heart of their own....

our own characters speculated it came from the collector base

 starts at the end at 13 min

"looks like the human proto reaper we killed" speculates garrus
"What's left of it. I'm surprised they recovered this much from the base" says Shepard with surprise
"All those colonists, kidnapped, processed into that...and Cerberus hangs it up like a trophy" says garrus as a statement
"The illusive man convinced me to work with him to save the colonies, but he never really cared did he?" Says Shepard speculating on TIM's motives
"I think he did. He just cared more about studying it. The dead are only a statistic" says garrus with speculative fact

[Eryri]

starlitegirlx wrote...

-snip-

Actually, I'd be shocked if they ever came out and said it was IT all along. What would be the point? Yeah, it would make some people think, but most, when faced with information that goes against their beliefs just get angry and dig themselves in deeper to justify said beliefs rather than admit they were wrong or came to a flawed conclusion.

Some truly excellent points here. I really like your analysis of what could be Bioware's greatest narrative experiment. Although personally I would like to see it resolved with a "Wake Up" DLC, rather than left hanging for the simple reason that I think it could be spectacularly fun to play.

Shepard would have faced the Reaper's most potent weapon and overcome it. The tone of the story would shift completely, and for the better. From crushing despair to hope. No more self-doubt, no more tedious, angsty moping over some Darwin Award-winning kid. 

Shepard would be mad as hell, and not about to take any more crap from some overgrown metal lobsters. An epic Harbinger boss fight accompanied by ME2's suicide mission theme would round things off nicely and put a huge smile on my face for about the next week.

Modifié par Eryri, 23 octobre 2012 - 02:37 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

It is a simple question - What happens to Cronos station?

A simple answer - nothing.

If cronos station is indeed destroyed how do we get the war assets following the mission?

I think Cronos station is destroyed as I outlined in a bigger post further up this page, but I also think the Alliance took time to perform just a quick search of the base, grabbing what was easy to get before blowing the station.

[Dwailing]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

That's just a satellite being darkened by the shadow of the huge Citadel. It's just an illustration of the Citadel's size as it orbits Earth.

With all respect, I like speculating too, but you people seriously need to stop seeing ghosts everywhere. Not to mention all the crazy talk about TIM being a Reaper and what not.This needs to stop. Any new person taking a look in here will think we're a bunch of tinfoil crazies.

Just stop. Or make a separate thread. In any case, the IT thread doesn't need this.

I agree.  We have to stay crazy in a good way, and avoid becoming crazy in a crazy way.  The former is good science, the latter is conspiracy theory.

[Jusseb]

We're all still making assumptions about Cronos Station. But is it actually stated that it is destroyed?

All we see is the final cut scene with the Prothean VI about de Citadel moving to Earth. After that we never hear anything about Cronos Station anymore, nor that it is destroyed OR salvaged.

Modifié par Jusseb, 23 octobre 2012 - 02:36 .

[Arashi08]

Jusseb wrote...

We're all still making assumptions about Cronos Station. But is it actually stated that it is destroyed?

All we see is the final cut scene with the Prothean VI about de Citadel moving to Earth. After that we never hear anything about Cronos Station anymore, nor that it is destroyed OR salvaged.

and of course we see that Shepard DOESN'T take the VI with her, just leave it there as it watches them leave...

Modifié par Arashi08, 23 octobre 2012 - 02:37 .

[Restrider]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
the results for the eigth poll are out. The list has been updated and I would like to encourage you to participate at the ninth poll (THE LAST POLL FOR THE LIST IN A LONG TIME AND ONLY ~1.5 HOURS LEFT!!!) and my long-time survey about your choice at your first playthrough. Spread the word!
I also made another survey on a totally unrelated topic that still needs to be resolved.

And please think about a way to incorporate Anderson's behaviour in London and the datapad hinting that the beam is a huge con into one of the IT's Top Ten points. I'd also appreciate it, if you could provide me with links.

Edit: Top with an actually more important post... I like.

Modifié par Restrider, 23 octobre 2012 - 02:40 .