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[Either.Ardrey]

byne wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...
They should have stuck with the dark energy ending. The choice would have made more sense and the sacrafice would have been a difficult moral choice which actually was inline with the whole game rather than what we got. I don't know why they cared if it was leaked. So people know why and what the choice will be. Big deal. 

Did they actually say why they scrapped it though?  Maybe they couldn't get it to work in the story.  It might have been that they decided the current story is better.

One theory is that they found out that dark energy, in real life, is not a threat that can/would destroy the universe, and they, BioWare, would be blamed for not doing their homework, considering how much real world science they try to put into Mass Effect.

...so instead they went with ****ing space magic?

I never said I liked the space magic. I think they just gave up trying to find a scientific explanation and just made something up that's beyond current science, like Eezo/biotics, except they went over the top into unreality and stupidity.

[spotlessvoid]

Not a thing you can comprehend

Unless you're half dead an a translucent kid explains it to you in a few minutes

[spotlessvoid]

Dark energy ending scenario is also stupid. Reapers can't solve dark energy over countless cycles but the human Reaper will? So much fail

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I always heard the opening part about showering but never stopped to listen to the whole thing. Gotta give them points for how awesomely well that was done.

So did all asari turn into banshees? I know turians are murauders. Batarian's were Cannibals. Humans are husks (and even they were back in ME1 - was that a pre reaper invasion?) I know some were from Cerberus another others Sovereign/geth but I wonder if it was just those two?

What were the Salarians turned into? Were they ever turned? Hmmm? Confused now. Maurauders. Husks. Cannibals. Banshees. Ravengers were rachni so what the hell were the salarians?

Humans                  -> Husks
Humans                  -> Abominations
Humans                  -> Scions
Batarians/Humans  -> Cannibals
Turians                   -> Marauders
Turians/Krogans    -> Brutes
Rachni                   -> Ravager
Asari                      -> Banshees
Salarians               -> Adjutants

What I do not really get is the following:
Harbinger depicts humans as the best race, yet they are only used as cannon fodder...

You know Adjutants spawn from any race? It doesn't matter if it's a Salarian.

[demersel]

Davik Kang wrote...
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Great job! all great points.
I have an idea - that QEC communicators are actually direct link into a reaper - by calling someone on the QEC we use a reaper as a telehpone node - and they can not only listen in - but also influence those who use QEC. Which in ME3 is Shepard, Anderson and Hackett. And the Dalatress. 

BTW if i remember correctly - it was the fifth and the third fleets that were used in the battle of the citatedel to take down sovereign, no? 
Hackett was there and Michailovich was there. 

[Eryri]

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Why did they need to explain the Reapers at all?

They didnt need to, and doing so destroys the idea of the Reapers for me.

Its like Vigil said: In the end, what does it matter? Your survival depends on stopping them, not in understanding them.

Vigil knew what was up.

Hear hear. And I thought I was the only one on this thread who isn't really fond of them exploring the Reapers.

You were not the only one. The unkown is far more compelling. You can let your imagination run wild when it's not too contrained by the authors. Though to be honest I vaccilate a bit on this because a good back story could have been a good revelatory moment. But the one we got just makes the Reapers seem so banal.

It's like BSG (spoiler alert). The cylons were far more terrifying when their plan was mysterious. When you found out that all they wanted was to make babies through the power of love it robbed them of their menace.

Modifié par Eryri, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:41 .

[Arashi08]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Rankincountry wrote...
That's a bit strong - I certainly don't hate you. You do have some barmy notions, though . But yeah, the only other species that achieved anything like the advances made by humanity was, of course, the Krogan. And of course, they were being manipulated all the way. So I don't think it's a huge leap to think that there is something behind humanity's dizzying ascent to power. The convenience of the Prothean archive both historically and with the crucible designs, TIM... and if we continue the thought that behind TIM is not Harbinger but Leviathan, maybe humanity is Leviathan's last throw of the dice - a species driven, courageous and violent enough to stop the reapers, but still susceptible to Thralldom? 

Maybe I'm reaching here, I don't know, but the more I think about this the more I feel like there's something to it.

I think Humans weren't uplifted but the reality of our species compared to others is quite different. Asari live for a thousand years and waste the first 200 being mercs and dancers. So they will be slow to progress and actually their progress was due to Protheans.

I don't remember how long Turians live, but they did have 15k years of civilization as said in ME3 I think by Primarch Victus. So they would be slow movers as well. Salarians have such short life spans that they would be forced to be slow to progress. They also lack the emotional intensity humans have because of their short lives. As mordin put it in ME2, they basically didn't have time to waste on emotions and process things very quickly.

Humans don't have time to waste like asari. Humans do things alone as came up in ME1  and ME2 when people didn't like all the aliens on shepard's team and then they disbanded them after Shepard's death. Humans are emotionally powerful. I never really saw that any other species had the fire depicted of humans to progress. Turians were mainly disciplined which is often slower and more plodding. I'll stick with those races as the main examples as they are the ones that are key. All of this is why we scared the council and even other races and why we progressed so quickly within MEU. The same is implied of how humans are in ST enterprise except we were held back by Vulcans because they found us to be to firey/emotional. I think they used that dynamic in building the MEU. I read that they were even concerned it would be like ST so they had to be more creative in what they came up with for ME.

I agree, people used to speculate that Hackett was indoctrinated when there was NO in-game evidence for it.  I don't understand why people want to pick on Hackett so much when he isn't that involved with the story.  He basically acts like an Admiral is supposed to and I haven't seen any evidence in game that indicates he is indoctrinated or untrustworthy.

[Restrider]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Starlite Or Battlestar Galactica.

OMG! No!
I was traumatized by that stupid ending...
It's so bad because it is not even ambiguous or vague, it's stupidity with 100% certainty.
They ended a series that was started under the banner of "naturalistic science fiction" and did great during the first two seasons (the third was still good, but moved more to mystery; the fourth season had good parts such as the mutiny plot) with an anti-progressive ending that supports a religious-fundamentalistic, pseudo-scientific theory, known as Creationism, while most of the characters act totally against their previous roles.
I think that the nihilistic end of season 4.5 would've been better and it certainly did match the depressive tone of the series.

Since I played ME3 in august and I already heard of the garbage endings, I feared something like BSG would happen. Can you imagine what happened when I saw the child in that chamber? I was like "OMG! Please not some religous ass-pull, not again, I won't survive that...!!!". As the child turned out to be the Reaper's avatar, I was releaved and told the child to shove it... hehehe. That's why I actually liked the ME3, since it was not a BSG finale and has lot's of ambiguity BSG lacked.

[Either.Ardrey]

Restrider wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I always heard the opening part about showering but never stopped to listen to the whole thing. Gotta give them points for how awesomely well that was done.

So did all asari turn into banshees? I know turians are murauders. Batarian's were Cannibals. Humans are husks (and even they were back in ME1 - was that a pre reaper invasion?) I know some were from Cerberus another others Sovereign/geth but I wonder if it was just those two?

What were the Salarians turned into? Were they ever turned? Hmmm? Confused now. Maurauders. Husks. Cannibals. Banshees. Ravengers were rachni so what the hell were the salarians?

Humans                  -> Husks
Humans                  -> Abominations
Humans                  -> Scions
Batarians/Humans  -> Cannibals
Turians                   -> Marauders
Turians/Krogans    -> Brutes
Rachni                   -> Ravager
Asari                      -> Banshees
Salarians               -> Adjutants

What I do not really get is the following:
Harbinger depicts humans as the best race, yet they are only used as cannon fodder...

I'm not seeing the Salarian in the Adjutants. There's basically zero resemblence.

[byne]

demersel wrote...

I have an idea - that QEC communicators are actually direct link into a reaper - by calling someone on the QEC we use a reaper as a telehpone node - and they can not only listen in - but also influence those who use QEC. Which in ME3 is Shepard, Anderson and Hackett. And the Dalatress.

Except we already know how QECs work. As the name says, its through quantum entanglement. I dont know enough about quantum physics to actually explain it, but I believe EDI says when one entangled particle is changed, the other is also instantly changed, allowing for instantaneous point to point communication. QECs by design are impossible to listen in on.

[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You know Adjutants spawn from any race? It doesn't matter if it's a Salarian.

I'll have to re-read that comic, yet at least at some point, we see a Salarian turned into an Adjutant. Furthermore, the two horn-like things on an Adjutant's head remind me of Salarians, as do the legs. On the other hand, Adjutants have different hands/claws than Salarians.
I may be wrong, but I think Adjutants - to me at least - look very Salarian-like.

[Eryri]

Restrider wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Starlite Or Battlestar Galactica.

OMG! No!
I was traumatized by that stupid ending...
It's so bad because it is not even ambiguous or vague, it's stupidity with 100% certainty.
They ended a series that was started under the banner of "naturalistic science fiction" and did great during the first two seasons (the third was still good, but moved more to mystery; the fourth season had good parts such as the mutiny plot) with an anti-progressive ending that supports a religious-fundamentalistic, pseudo-scientific theory, known as Creationism, while most of the characters act totally against their previous roles.
I think that the nihilistic end of season 4.5 would've been better and it certainly did match the depressive tone of the series.

Since I played ME3 in august and I already heard of the garbage endings, I feared something like BSG would happen. Can you imagine what happened when I saw the child in that chamber? I was like "OMG! Please not some religous ass-pull, not again, I won't survive that...!!!". As the child turned out to be the Reaper's avatar, I was releaved and told the child to shove it... hehehe. That's why I actually liked the ME3, since it was not a BSG finale and has lot's of ambiguity BSG lacked.

Spoilers follow

I thought BSG's ending was a bit of a mixed bag. On the one hand I found Roslin's death very moving. And the revelation that we were actually in Earth's past rather than the future was a real Woah! moment for me.

On the other, you had the reveal that Starbuck is supposed to be some sort of angel. One who can apparently get drunk, and do various other corporeal things, before suddenly evaporating off camera.  I was convinced she would turn out to be the hybrid offsping of the missing fifth, founding-cylon, (which would explain how she knew All Along the Watchtower). So that was a let down. And while we're on the subject - I'm sorry, a computer keyboard is nothing like a piano!

Then we have the entirety of the fleet somehow agreeing to Apollo's daft idea to completely abandon all technology whatsoever and go back to nature, with an exhausted population used to urban living. I'm sure that worked out well for everyone.

Modifié par Eryri, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:04 .

[Restrider]

Eryri wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Why did they need to explain the Reapers at all?

They didnt need to, and doing so destroys the idea of the Reapers for me.

Its like Vigil said: In the end, what does it matter? Your survival depends on stopping them, not in understanding them.

Vigil knew what was up.

Hear hear. And I thought I was the only one on this thread who isn't really fond of them exploring the Reapers.

You were not the only one. The unkown is far more compelling. You can let your imagination run wild when it's not too contrained by the authors. Though to be honest I vaccilate a bit on this because a good back story could have been a good revelatory moment. But the one we got just makes the Reapers seem so banal.

It's like BSG (spoiler alert). The cylons were far more terrifying when their plan was mysterious. When you found out that all they wanted was to make babies through the power of love it robbed them of their menace.

To continue my rant on BSG:
Has anyone watched the movie "The Plan" that expands on the motives of the Cylons?
If you have watched it... what a stupid plan was that??????
It totally destroyed the nimbus of omniscience, cunningness and superiority the Cylons had during the series and showed them as a bunch of cretins with daddy issues >.<  

[byne]

Restrider wrote...

Furthermore, the two horn-like things on an Adjutant's head remind me of Salarians, as do the legs.

....really?

[demersel]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

I have an idea - that QEC communicators are actually direct link into a reaper - by calling someone on the QEC we use a reaper as a telehpone node - and they can not only listen in - but also influence those who use QEC. Which in ME3 is Shepard, Anderson and Hackett. And the Dalatress.

Except we already know how QECs work. As the name says, its through quantum entanglement. I dont know enough about quantum physics to actually explain it, but I believe EDI says when one entangled particle is changed, the other is also instantly changed, allowing for instantaneous point to point communication. QECs by design are impossible to listen in on.

Except that you know who else uses this technology? The reapers. They are basicly huge quantum computers. THEY ARE MADE OUT OF QUANTUM PARTICLES. So if it is stricly point to point particle to particle you can bet, that at least one of those particle is part of some reaper. But since they have millions of particles they are actually capable of communicating you to whoever you want to call. 
And that is the way indoctrination works too- it turn your brain into quantum alignment with a reaper - and you also become a transmitter. 

Modifié par demersel, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:57 .

[Either.Ardrey]

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You know Adjutants spawn from any race? It doesn't matter if it's a Salarian.

I'll have to re-read that comic, yet at least at some point, we see a Salarian turned into an Adjutant. Furthermore, the two horn-like things on an Adjutant's head remind me of Salarians, as do the legs. On the other hand, Adjutants have different hands/claws than Salarians.
I may be wrong, but I think Adjutants - to me at least - look very Salarian-like.

I honestly can't see where you're coming from. The adjutant pic you supplied looks nothing like a Salarian. Looks more like a human or humanoid that is extremely close to human. Flat feet, pentadactyl hands, human face, etc.  And I can only see one head horn thing on top of the bulbous sac. Not two. I could keep going.

[Davik Kang]

demersel wrote...
Great job! all great points.
I have an idea - that QEC communicators are actually direct link into a reaper - by calling someone on the QEC we use a reaper as a telehpone node - and they can not only listen in - but also influence those who use QEC. Which in ME3 is Shepard, Anderson and Hackett. And the Dalatress. 

BTW if i remember correctly - it was the fifth and the third fleets that were used in the battle of the citatedel to take down sovereign, no? 
Hackett was there and Michailovich was there. 

Thanks.  I found some things about the Systems Alliance and some other stuff which I went over earlier in the thread today.  I do think the QEC is highly suspicious.  It is yet another example of how we use Reaper tech to our advantage.  Under Hackett's guidance we become more and more like Cerberus.  It's also mentioned in Leviathan that this is how the artifacts work too.

About the fleets, I said in that posts that it was indeed their fleets which survived the ME1 battle, and notably, with the fewest casualties too.  They backed each other up.  And the result was they both got promoted.

starlitegirlx wrote...
Oh my. He is indoctrinated. Makes sense and even if you go back to arrival - I bet he knew his friend was indoctrinated. I just wonder when it happened. Maybe he went to find her. Benson? Was that her name? And maybe he got indoctrinated there. And then he sent shepard wanting shepard to get indoctrinated. That would make sense. Then has to lock her up.

Also, I remember the big deal of why hadn't they heard from Hackett in the beginning. That is too notable to forget or dismiss. Quite deliberate.

I have always found a flaw in them saying the light goes up to the citadel. I never thought it made sense that they knew that once I realized the citadel was in space. Also wondered why they bet everything on getting into the beam because they seemed so certain it would lead to a place that would get them to where they could open the arms, but in reality, it was massive. Too massive to know for sure where shepard would end up. In truth, that was my biggest issue with priority earth. Rushing toward the beam sounded like the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. Still does.

It's quite depressing because if all this is right, then basically the end is Casey and Walters deciding that the Reapers win, but presenting it in such a way that the player thinks they can win.  So I hope I'm wrong in many ways.  But there are a lot of coincidences.

I have heard that we never see Hackett at all until Arrival.  It his his arrival as well.

Rushing toward the beam is a big issue.  All the datapads suggest that collecting everybody in one place is a very bad idea.  They all imply that "the word" should be spread that everyone needs to spread out and hide in the dark.  It may be related to Leviathan's plea that the darkness not be breached.

The thing is, are the people leaving the messages indoctrinated, or are Hackett and Anderson?  One especially depressing datapad is the one near Anderson.  That person finds a way to not have to go to the beam, and the answer is to commit suicide.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:01 .

[byne]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

I have an idea - that QEC communicators are actually direct link into a reaper - by calling someone on the QEC we use a reaper as a telehpone node - and they can not only listen in - but also influence those who use QEC. Which in ME3 is Shepard, Anderson and Hackett. And the Dalatress.

Except we already know how QECs work. As the name says, its through quantum entanglement. I dont know enough about quantum physics to actually explain it, but I believe EDI says when one entangled particle is changed, the other is also instantly changed, allowing for instantaneous point to point communication. QECs by design are impossible to listen in on.

Except that you know who else uses this technology? The reapers. They are basicly huge quantum computers. THEY ARE MADE OUT OF QUANTUM PARTICLES. So if it is stricly point to point particle to particle you can bet, that at least one of those particle is part of some reaper. But since they have millions of particles they are actually capable of communicating you to whoever you want to call. 
And that is the way indoctrination works too- it turn your brain into quantum alignment with a reaper - and you also become a transmitter. 

So demersel. In your mind, what isnt a Reaper? QECs? Reapers! TIM? Reaper!

Your understanding of QECs seems to be seriously flawed. The particles are entangled at one point, and then no matter how far they move from each other, they have an instantaneous link between them. At no point are Reapers involved.

[Arashi08]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

 Right.  Hackett.  

I already said about the Systems Alliance becoming the de facto leader of humanity, with their cast resources and their convenient premature desire to build an intergalactic army.  The key thing being that war was a catalyst for a shift in power.

Much of this comes from Codex entries.  Do you remember Admiral Mikhailovich?  He is the guy who demands to inspect your ship early in ME1.  It is revealed that his fleet suffered the fewest losses, and supported the Fifth Fleet (Hackett's) in the ME1 Citadel battle.  Both of these gain the most post-ME1 with their subsequent promotions.  

In ME3, the First Fleet is decimated during the surprise attack on Arcturus Station by the Reapers.  Remember, this station is the house of the Systems Alliance Parliament set up once the SA became a seriously powerful government in itself.  However, the Third Fleet is said to have already pulled back to an ideal firing position when the Reapers arrive (?).

The Fifth Fleet, Hackett's fleet , is said to be tasked with protecting Arcturus Station.  However, it is not destroyed, while other fleets are.  More pressingly, the codex actually says that Hackett sacrificed the 2nd fleet so that the 3rd and 5th could survive.  Is this really the action of a hero?  The 2nd fleet by the way was the one that saved Shanxi from the Turians.

Meanawhile, the fourth fleet, guarding Earth, is decimated, despite advance warning of the attack.  So, Hackett's fleet and his alarmingly well-prepared allies in the 3rd fleet survive, while all other fleets are destroyed.

Note that Anderson remarks that the Reapers couldn't be here already at the beginning of Vancouver.  So why is he surprised?  Did the forces at Arcturus not really put up the fight they were expected to put up?  Why does Anderson say this?

The consequence of all this is that Hackett becomes the de facto leader of humanity, and the person in charge of defending Earth.  What does he do?  Immediately reinstates Shepard and asks her to go to Mars to look for something.

Huh?  This is just odd.  He's already got a plan to abandon Earth, draw humanity's resources away from Earth, and bide time for... what?  Just hoping that his own forces will magically find a ginat spacegun?  

But... that's exactly what happened.  Hackettis prescient?  Liara also reveals that it was Hackett who ordered her to Mars and gave her security clearance to search there.

What is going on.  Is all of this really coincedence or bad writing?

Hackett appears to have engineered himself into being the leader of humanity, and via Shepard, the galaxy.  Even in the Low EMS ending, his ship appears to have survived while others were vaporised.  Where did he go?  How was he so far away that his ship wasn't obliterated?

In the meantime he's been sitting pretty, minding over the Crucible construction.  He then sends everybody to Earth, and makes it clear that the only concern is getting the Citadel doors open.  During this whole mission exposition, we see warning signs intentionally uncovered between Shepard and Hackett.  Shepard expected the assault to be on the Citadel, and is positively surprised when Hackett tells her to head to Earth instead.  

We then see a brief red hologram of the Reaper monument on Earth, and are told that it's a beam that goes to the Citadel.  In one of the cutscenes do we see any beam between the Citadel and Earth.  And even if they somehow know that the beam does come from the Citadel, how does Anderson possibly know that people can travel up that beam to get onto the Citadel?  Why would he not assume anyone who tried would be reduced to Reaper mush?

There are two (maybe more) possible consequences if what I'm saying about Hackett turns out to be true.  One is simply that he's pushing for control of the galaxy once the Reapers have been wiped out.  But a much darker explanation is that he is already indoctrinated, and is in fact assisting th Reapers by sending most of the galaxy, including their #1 target, Shepard, to Earth for the harvest.  It could mean that Shepard is sent on a Charge of the Light Brigade to speed up the decimatin of the galactic forces, and to speed up Shepard's indoctrination by heading straight for a huge Reaper artifact.

It paints the depressingly dark scenario that the war is already lost, and all Shepard can do is avoid indoctrination.  If she can even manage that.  The ending might just imply what kind of form Shepard can take - fighter (Destroy), AI (control) or new Reaper (Synthesis).

Oh my. He is indoctrinated. Makes sense and even if you go back to arrival - I bet he knew his friend was indoctrinated. I just wonder when it happened. Maybe he went to find her. Benson? Was that her name? And maybe he got indoctrinated there. And then he sent shepard wanting shepard to get indoctrinated. That would make sense. Then has to lock her up.

Also, I remember the big deal of why hadn't they heard from Hackett in the beginning. That is too notable to forget or dismiss. Quite deliberate.

I have always found a flaw in them saying the light goes up to the citadel. I never thought it made sense that they knew that once I realized the citadel was in space. Also wondered why they bet everything on getting into the beam because they seemed so certain it would lead to a place that would get them to where they could open the arms, but in reality, it was massive. Too massive to know for sure where shepard would end up. In truth, that was my biggest issue with priority earth. Rushing toward the beam sounded like the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. Still does.

Those points, while more valid than others I've seen, are still not enough to convince me.  The fact is the Reapers are an unknown threat and The Alliance was clearly not ready for it. 

Yes it is true that Hackett was essentially the de facto leader of the Alliance, but  he was the leader of the Alliance military as recently as after the Battle of the Citadel.  And oftentimes against an enemy as powerful as the Reapers, you have to make sacfirices lest you lose everything.  Hackett sacrificed the 2nd fleet because if he didn't, then all three fleets would likely have been lost.  This seems like an acceptable war strategy to me.

The game itself does illustrate why Anderson and Shepard didn't hear from Hackett.  !0 the comm buoy network was being destroyed and 2) Hackett may have been engaging the Reaper fleet when the invasion was happening.  It does say int he codex that the Alliance didn't expect the Reaper forces to ignore their stationed fleets in the Arcturus system.  If you'll recall, Hacket DID manage to contact Shepard as they were leaving Earth and the transmission was half-garbled and full of static.  That is a good indication that communications were cut off.

Jus about everything else seems like either a coincidence of the planning of an effective military leader against an unknown threat. 

If I missed anything then feel free to let me know and I will try to explain it.  though I want to ask HOW could Hackett have become indoctrinated?  Considering he was on a ship pretty much the entire game.

EDIT: Ah! I forgot to mention the beam run.  Yes the rush WAS a stupid plan, but only if they had counted on Harbinger showing up.  The initial plan was to take out the Destroyer and then get to the beam.  After the Destroyer was taken out they probably expected light infantry resistance, not several sovereign class Reapers AND Harbinger coming down to take them out.  They likely expected the Reapr fleet to be too concerned with the battle in space.

Modifié par Arashi08, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:04 .

[MaximizedAction]

Restrider wrote...
To continue my rant on BSG:
Has anyone watched the movie "The Plan" that expands on the motives of the Cylons?
If you have watched it... what a stupid plan was that??????
It totally destroyed the nimbus of omniscience, cunningness and superiority the Cylons had during the series and showed them as a bunch of cretins with daddy issues >.<  

"The Plan" was ok. That the Cylon's plan turned out rather meh wasn't too surprising to me, though. They kept writing "And they have a plan" in the intro sequence for too long. It built up a certain expectation for the audience that it was probably too hard to be really surprising and interesting. And what they did was make it something that rather appeared human.

What I was really disappointed about, though was the resolution of the opera-house hallucination. What a waste of every character who was part of the hallucination.

[demersel]

Davik. Please listen.
So we have QEC.
Reaper tech.
What do we use QEC in ME2 for?
Normandy to Illusive Man. Personal link.
Except his office in ME2 is nothing like his office in ME3 which we do not use QEC to acces and see.
So what if the QEC that is on the normandy in ME2 - is a direct link into illusive man's mind? into the leviathan illusion type of mental comfort enviroment?
Isn't that plausible?

Modifié par demersel, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Either.Ardrey]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

I have an idea - that QEC communicators are actually direct link into a reaper - by calling someone on the QEC we use a reaper as a telehpone node - and they can not only listen in - but also influence those who use QEC. Which in ME3 is Shepard, Anderson and Hackett. And the Dalatress.

Except we already know how QECs work. As the name says, its through quantum entanglement. I dont know enough about quantum physics to actually explain it, but I believe EDI says when one entangled particle is changed, the other is also instantly changed, allowing for instantaneous point to point communication. QECs by design are impossible to listen in on.

Except that you know who else uses this technology? The reapers. They are basicly huge quantum computers. THEY ARE MADE OUT OF QUANTUM PARTICLES. So if it is stricly point to point particle to particle you can bet, that at least one of those particle is part of some reaper. But since they have millions of particles they are actually capable of communicating you to whoever you want to call. 
And that is the way indoctrination works too- it turn your brain into quantum alignment with a reaper - and you also become a transmitter. 

I don't think you quite understand how quantum entanglement works. Unless the Reaper was present as the entanglement of the particles, or made the entanglement for them, the Reapers cannot "join in" on the entangled particles after the fact:huh:.
Edit: semi-'d by Byne

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:05 .