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[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Also why doesn't TDM have any cerberus troops with him on the citadel?

I think you can see dead Cerby troops right after beaming up, the one hanging over the cable specifically. Mostly Alliance though.

Also it's not "The Delusive Man" though it might fit.

The dumba** man
The d**chebag man
the d**khead man
the derpyherpy man.

ok, I'm done.

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Also why doesn't TDM have any cerberus troops with him on the citadel?

I think you can see dead Cerby troops right after beaming up, the one hanging over the cable specifically. Mostly Alliance though.

Also it's not "The Delusive Man" though it might fit.

Not a typo

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Well, you have a tendency these days to see Reapers in everything. We pride ourselves on not being conspiracy theorists but some of the stuff you put forth has conspiracy theory logic, trying to fit a hypothesis to the facts rather than taking the facts to make a hypothesis.

I'm saying making normandy a flagsip for all system's allince fleet has some odd logic behind it. Certainly not a military logic. Military is logic is paranoid. Making a ship comandeered from an enemy, filled with unkown tech your flagship, and main comm ship is reckless. No sane military would do that. 
It's like america capturing Taliban's spec ops cell, and after some qeustioning appointing those people in charge of  pentagon high command.

No sane military would commandeer much more advanced technology they have received from the enemy. Ok, if you say so.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 octobre 2012 - 09:34 .

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Also why doesn't TDM have any cerberus troops with him on the citadel?

I think you can see dead Cerby troops right after beaming up, the one hanging over the cable specifically. Mostly Alliance though.

Also it's not "The Delusive Man" though it might fit.

The dumba** man
The d**chebag man
the d**khead man
the derpyherpy man.

ok, I'm done.

I read it as The Derelict Man. Pretty sure he's making fun of demersel's idea.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Also why doesn't TDM have any cerberus troops with him on the citadel?

I think you can see dead Cerby troops right after beaming up, the one hanging over the cable specifically. Mostly Alliance though.

Also it's not "The Delusive Man" though it might fit.

The dumba** man
The d**chebag man
the d**khead man
the derpyherpy man.

ok, I'm done.

I read it as The Derelict Man. Pretty sure he's making fun of demersel's idea.

I know, I was just throwing that out there as a joke.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

starlitegirlx wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Don't you find that odd that all of the sudden, the ship made by a terrorist group, that is considered an enemy of the allience, and is full of unknown tech (which may even be reaper tech since cerberus is known to play around with much of that) - suddenly becomes the flagship for a commander of the whole fleet which is prepping to fight the reaper invasion?

Not really. Its a damned good ship, and the alliance engineers basically tore out everything inside and replaced it to make sure it wasnt bugged by Cerberus. That was the point of the the retrofit.

I don't know about that. They tried to take control of it and EDI protected them by flooding their systems with 7 zetabytes of porn. So clearly they still had some access or ability to control it or to try to do so. So much for that retrofit.

That could have easily happened right after the Suicide Run as Shepard tells TIM of or before any retrofits were made. Beyond that the control part was probably linked to EDI´s systems and it specifically pointed out how she posed as a VI to fool them, so they might have never found that part of the system.

Whatever the case we dont know when they tried to shut down the Normandy, but logic dictates they probably tried it pretty early to, you know, avoid a Alliance retrofit disabling the chance...

And finally while we dont know what the Normandy SR2 was built of, nothing ever suggests they slapped Sovereign material together to do it. In fact by any kind of logic it would have been impossible for Cerberus to salvage anything but relatively small parts of Sovereign. It was the freaking citadel and the Turians pretty much scooped up every piece left from what we are told, I doubt they would miss pieces adding up to something the size of a big frigate!

Sure Cerberus may have gotten their hands on enough parts to make EDI, but the Normandy? Yeah right, Citadel security is bad, but not that bad.

Also I am pretty sure Allaince Engineers would notice big amounts of utterly unknown tech and ask questions.

[spotlessvoid]

Funny how Shepard assumes shooting the tube is the way to activate destroy. Other than his alternate dimension flash forward vision of Anderson doing it.

[spotlessvoid]

And if starchild puts that vision there....why would he show Shepard how to do it, especially in low ems destroy? Why doesn't he just lie and say yeah Shepard you're the catalyst, just jump into that beam and destroy all the Reapers. Or just stall since the crucible is seconds from destruction?

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Funny how Shepard assumes shooting the tube is the way to activate destroy. Other than his alternate dimension flash forward vision of Anderson doing it.

And once again, IT explains this. It's Dream Logic. I don't know how I did it, but I drank a solid turkey with a straw in a dream once. It made sense at the time.

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...
Funny how Shepard assumes shooting the tube is the way to activate destroy. Other than his alternate dimension flash forward vision of Anderson doing it.

If all this is true, then Shepard is just preventing the inevitable.  If the Chamber is a metaphor for her mind, then in Control she becomes another AI or husk?  Synthesis she's the mind of a new Reaper.  And in Destroy... I guess she shoots herself like TIM and Saren to stop things getting worse.  Goddamnit I am nearly crying just writing this crap.  Would be real sad if it turns out to be true.

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...

And if starchild puts that vision there....why would he show Shepard how to do it, especially in low ems destroy? Why doesn't he just lie and say yeah Shepard you're the catalyst, just jump into that beam and destroy all the Reapers. Or just stall since the crucible is seconds from destruction?

You've already heard my interpretation from the beginning - that it's more that she instinctively understands how to do it.  It's somewhat backed up by one of the codex entries I saw today though I forget which one.  

It also makes sense in terms of the m/f Shepard's voices being within the Child's - because some of what you hear is Shepard's own thoughts, mixed up with the Reaper indoctrination.

But all this severely bleak, potential IT stuff is painting a very different picture...

[BatmanTurian]

Davik Kang wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
Funny how Shepard assumes shooting the tube is the way to activate destroy. Other than his alternate dimension flash forward vision of Anderson doing it.

If all this is true, then Shepard is just preventing the inevitable.  If the Chamber is a metaphor for her mind, then in Control she becomes another AI or husk?  Synthesis she's the mind of a new Reaper.  And in Destroy... I guess she shoots herself like TIM and Saren to stop things getting worse.  Goddamnit I am nearly crying just writing this crap.  Would be real sad if it turns out to be true.

Yeah, that is a depressing thought. But remember, " This is the end of Shepard's story/journey/whatever"

[spotlessvoid]

starchild is like someone robbing you at gun point, then handing you the gun.

"I know you're thinking about killing me, but there's another solution. Kill yourself. If you do I Promise I won't rob anyone else"

That's a lot of dead synthesis fans

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

starchild is like someone robbing you at gun point, then handing you the gun.

"I know you're thinking about killing me, but there's another solution. Kill yourself. If you do I Promise I won't rob anyone else"

That's a lot of dead synthesis fans

Wow... that is... pretty much what he says in a nutshell. Well done.

[Restrider]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Starlite Or Battlestar Galactica.

OMG! No!
I was traumatized by that stupid ending...
It's so bad because it is not even ambiguous or vague, it's stupidity with 100% certainty.
They ended a series that was started under the banner of "naturalistic science fiction" and did great during the first two seasons (the third was still good, but moved more to mystery; the fourth season had good parts such as the mutiny plot) with an anti-progressive ending that supports a religious-fundamentalistic, pseudo-scientific theory, known as Creationism, while most of the characters act totally against their previous roles.
I think that the nihilistic end of season 4.5 would've been better and it certainly did match the depressive tone of the series.

Since I played ME3 in august and I already heard of the garbage endings, I feared something like BSG would happen. Can you imagine what happened when I saw the child in that chamber? I was like "OMG! Please not some religous ass-pull, not again, I won't survive that...!!!". As the child turned out to be the Reaper's avatar, I was releaved and told the child to shove it... hehehe. That's why I actually liked the ME3, since it was not a BSG finale and has lot's of ambiguity BSG lacked.

I'm not a huge fan of that series, but the religious part was no asspull. They alluded to it from the very first season.

Maybe ass-pull is the wrong word for it then and I am aware of the tone of the original series, but at the beginning of the series, this could've easily been explained with Baltar being insane or him being a Cylon/Hybrid.
And, though it was kind of foreshadowed, it was a really cheap ending that is anti-progressive and supports a religious-fundamentalistic, pseudo-scientific theory.
There is one parallel to the ME3 literal endings:
If I want to be entertained by Sci-Fi, I want to have Sci-Fi and not a theology lesson or space magic. For that matter, I can easily watch fantasy.

[spotlessvoid]

@Davik

Bleak would still be better than literal to me.

[Restrider]

Ack-- just out of frustration I made this.

[demersel]

They did say the ending was supposed to be bittersweet....

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

Don't you find that odd that all of the sudden, the ship made by a terrorist group, that is considered an enemy of the allience, and is full of unknown tech (which may even be reaper tech since cerberus is known to play around with much of that) - suddenly becomes the flagship for a commander of the whole fleet which is prepping to fight the reaper invasion?

edit:
And it's QEC which used to be point ot point to Normandy to Illusive man is suddenly modified to communicate along all the most important personas in the fleet? 

God, I thought I covered that excessively. IF you are an admiral and you want to use the Normandy as your mobile command center, then you will make sure that you have access to state-of-the-art communication to the most important entities (Alliance Brass, Council, other allies...).

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...

@Davik

Bleak would still be better than literal to me.

How literal btw?  

I don't for a moment think literal is true, but that might depend on how literal you think my interpretation is.

As for bleakness, well, if the story turns out to be more concrete than what we have so far, it might not matter what would be better or worse.  I may be wrong but I think an actual ending is out there... somewhere.  And it's in the game, as EA would say.

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Starlite Or Battlestar Galactica.

OMG! No!
I was traumatized by that stupid ending...
It's so bad because it is not even ambiguous or vague, it's stupidity with 100% certainty.
They ended a series that was started under the banner of "naturalistic science fiction" and did great during the first two seasons (the third was still good, but moved more to mystery; the fourth season had good parts such as the mutiny plot) with an anti-progressive ending that supports a religious-fundamentalistic, pseudo-scientific theory, known as Creationism, while most of the characters act totally against their previous roles.
I think that the nihilistic end of season 4.5 would've been better and it certainly did match the depressive tone of the series.

Since I played ME3 in august and I already heard of the garbage endings, I feared something like BSG would happen. Can you imagine what happened when I saw the child in that chamber? I was like "OMG! Please not some religous ass-pull, not again, I won't survive that...!!!". As the child turned out to be the Reaper's avatar, I was releaved and told the child to shove it... hehehe. That's why I actually liked the ME3, since it was not a BSG finale and has lot's of ambiguity BSG lacked.

I'm not a huge fan of that series, but the religious part was no asspull. They alluded to it from the very first season.

Maybe ass-pull is the wrong word for it then and I am aware of the tone of the original series, but at the beginning of the series, this could've easily been explained with Baltar being insane or him being a Cylon/Hybrid.
And, though it was kind of foreshadowed, it was a really cheap ending that is anti-progressive and supports a religious-fundamentalistic, pseudo-scientific theory.
There is one parallel to the ME3 literal endings:
If I want to be entertained by Sci-Fi, I want to have Sci-Fi and not a theology lesson or space magic. For that matter, I can easily watch fantasy.

Theology is fantasy. Scifi is fantasy. Anyway, if you didn't like the god thing, it was obvious since the third episode. At that point I was like " oh great. Here we go. " But that's because I don't get offended by people believing in imaginary friends. No offense to anyone here if you do. You're free to worship if you want and I'm free to not do so. Freedom is awesome.

[spotlessvoid]

The thing is if you assume anything about the decision chamber is real, the crucible is moments from destruction. AI/Harbinger/whoever should be trying to stall Shepard. Would have been the perfect time to answer Shepards question of who created the crucible.

So either Shepard is tripping balls all the way to the control panel and then starts peaking hard when he's interacting with it...or he's still on Earth, either knocked out or wandering around like a ******

[spotlessvoid]

Well if the Leviathan, who already had their cover blown, and the Rachni, singing away like they promised, actually joined the fight, maybe enough damage could be inflicted to at least drive the Reapers off Earth to avoid serious losses

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The thing is if you assume anything about the decision chamber is real, the crucible is moments from destruction. AI/Harbinger/whoever should be trying to stall Shepard. Would have been the perfect time to answer Shepards question of who created the crucible.

So either Shepard is tripping balls all the way to the control panel and then starts peaking hard when he's interacting with it...or he's still on Earth, either knocked out or wandering around like a ******

I waver between wandering around and knocked out. Although, being knocked out would make it easier for Harbinger to get into Shep's mind as there are few defenses to indoctrination while unconcious. That's why they did it to Shepard at Object Rho.