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[Bill Casey]

He blacks out during Leviathan...

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...
The thing is if you assume anything about the decision chamber is real, the crucible is moments from destruction. AI/Harbinger/whoever should be trying to stall Shepard. Would have been the perfect time to answer Shepards question of who created the crucible.

So either Shepard is tripping balls all the way to the control panel and then starts peaking hard when he's interacting with it...or he's still on Earth, either knocked out or wandering around like a ******

Well if he is on the control panel and figuring it out, then the Child can't stall anything, it would just let Shepard destroy the Reapers undistracted as his own thoughts take over.

But if he's on Earth, well, I'm not even sure how waking up helps anything... if the beam was all a trap

[SPOILER ALERT - FIGHT CLUB]

It could be like a Fight Club style ending where he shoots himself, loses the madness, and somehow still lives...

[END SPOILER] 

but there's nothing that indicates they can do anything now, assuming the beam is a trap.  Wakes up... to find a whole lot of dead people and indoctrinated others.

Let's hope that rubble was the Citadel 

[Home run MF]

Restrider wrote...

Ack-- just out of frustration I made this.

Whait, I just realized BSG ending is Synthesis, since it is implied Hera is mitochondrial Eve...  

[BatmanTurian]

Bill Casey wrote...

He blacks out during Leviathan...

yeah forgot about that. So unconciousness has some evidence to support it.

[spotlessvoid]

Well if AI can't effect Shepard from using the control panel at the end, then what exactly is going on?

[BatmanTurian]

Davik Kang wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
The thing is if you assume anything about the decision chamber is real, the crucible is moments from destruction. AI/Harbinger/whoever should be trying to stall Shepard. Would have been the perfect time to answer Shepards question of who created the crucible.

So either Shepard is tripping balls all the way to the control panel and then starts peaking hard when he's interacting with it...or he's still on Earth, either knocked out or wandering around like a ******

Well if he is on the control panel and figuring it out, then the Child can't stall anything, it would just let Shepard destroy the Reapers undistracted as his own thoughts take over.

But if he's on Earth, well, I'm not even sure how waking up helps anything... if the beam was all a trap

[SPOILER ALERT - FIGHT CLUB]

It could be like a Fight Club style ending where he shoots himself, loses the madness, and somehow still lives...

[END SPOILER] 

but there's nothing that indicates they can do anything now, assuming the beam is a trap.  Wakes up... to find a whole lot of dead people and indoctrinated others.

Let's hope that rubble was the Citadel 

pretty sure it's not. Gamble said the bars were rebar last I heard.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

BatmanTurian wrote...

pretty sure it's not. Gamble said the bars were rebar last I heard.

Would like to see where Gamble said that, haven't seen it personally.

Also, links in my sig below, click to see comparisons of Rebar/Reaper Cable and London rubble.

[spotlessvoid]

What does low ems control mean? What is the consequence of choosing synthesis if Shepard is actually interacting with the control panel?

If he can truly activate the crucible then why aren't the Reapers making a serious effort to stop it?

[demersel]

The rumored war assets cinematic.... you know why it would make sense not to do it right away? Cause we don't have all of the war assests yet.
Imagine they'd do it right in the original. Then what? do it again after leviathan?
And ogain after omega adding whatever omega will add? And again after each DLC?
Makes sense to release all the DLC that is adding war assests and THEN make a cinematic including ALL of them in action.

[Restrider]

BatmanTurian wrote...
Theology is fantasy. Scifi is fantasy. Anyway, if you didn't like the god thing, it was obvious since the third episode. At that point I was like " oh great. Here we go. " But that's because I don't get offended by people believing in imaginary friends. No offense to anyone here if you do. You're free to worship if you want and I'm free to not do so. Freedom is awesome.

SciFi =/= Fantasy
Of course SciFi contains imaginary parts, hence the "Fiction". Yet, it should be based on scientific principles. Of course there are variations - Hard Core SciFi and Space Opera for example - and the latter shares traits with Fantasy, but they are still different things.
For example, a common theme in Fantasy is the struggle between good and evil (for example in LotR). That's why I would not declare Star Wars to be SciFi, but Fantasy. The story is not really based on scientific principles and the main struggle is good vs evil (at least in the original movies).
The MEU is convincing - at least for me - since it really explains how things work and they usually do not rely on magic (okay, Eezo for that matter is this element in story telling to allow all the good stuff). So we have the scientific basis. Though in ME we have villians (the Reapers), it is not good vs evil. We have a lot of variations in the grey region, even the player - depending on Paragon/Renegade - is not necessarily good.

Okay, now to the next point.
BSG was a great series, if you did not know the ending. I was hoping for some kind of ambiguity (is it really a god or is it a synthetic super AI?) and did get the certainty that I hate the ending, without any loophole to get out of it. Knowing the ending destroys the entire series, since - as mentioned before - the ending is foreshadowed since the beginning.
As you may have noticed, that was a huge let-down for me and is by far worse than ME (even if it turns out to be literal I dare say).
I think this should be my last post about this topic, I do not want to derail it anymore and you presumabely do not want to see me ranting anymore^_^.
Closing words: BSG really had ****ty endings. I am out for today.
Good fight, good night.

[byne]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Shepard's in rubble in london. Never even made it to the beam because you're wearing your armor then suddenly not? That's way to questionable to ignore. I still don't know how control and synthesis people justify that one or do they just completely ignore it. It's screaming WTF?! Too jarring to ignore. It's like they shove it down your damn throat. Armor. No armor. Please tell me where the armor went? Did it magically get burned off leaving my casual wear completely fine? And my skin? No burns there either? Very very very strange. Like a dream. Yes. Dream strange.

...what? You're wearing armor the whole time...

[Restrider]

Home run MF wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Ack-- just out of frustration I made this.

Whait, I just realized BSG ending is Synthesis, since it is implied Hera is mitochondrial Eve...  

Another reason to hate that series' ending.
Okay, NOW I am really out.

[BatmanTurian]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Shepard's in rubble in london. Never even made it to the beam because you're wearing your armor then suddenly not? That's way to questionable to ignore. I still don't know how control and synthesis people justify that one or do they just completely ignore it. It's screaming WTF?! Too jarring to ignore. It's like they shove it down your damn throat. Armor. No armor. Please tell me where the armor went? Did it magically get burned off leaving my casual wear completely fine? And my skin? No burns there either? Very very very strange. Like a dream. Yes. Dream strange.

Yeah, we've been arguing this with them for 7 months.

[Restrider]

Davik Kang wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
The thing is if you assume anything about the decision chamber is real, the crucible is moments from destruction. AI/Harbinger/whoever should be trying to stall Shepard. Would have been the perfect time to answer Shepards question of who created the crucible.

So either Shepard is tripping balls all the way to the control panel and then starts peaking hard when he's interacting with it...or he's still on Earth, either knocked out or wandering around like a ******

Well if he is on the control panel and figuring it out, then the Child can't stall anything, it would just let Shepard destroy the Reapers undistracted as his own thoughts take over.

But if he's on Earth, well, I'm not even sure how waking up helps anything... if the beam was all a trap

[SPOILER ALERT - FIGHT CLUB]

It could be like a Fight Club style ending where he shoots himself, loses the madness, and somehow still lives...

[END SPOILER] 

but there's nothing that indicates they can do anything now, assuming the beam is a trap.  Wakes up... to find a whole lot of dead people and indoctrinated others.

Let's hope that rubble was the Citadel 

On that note, I think the ending of Fight Club was too happy.

I guess, considering the theme of reaching true freedom, it would've been consistent to let the Narrator kill Tyler and himself to gain true freedom. At least that's my reasoning behind the movie.
Still, the movie and it's ending are awesome...:happy:

[spotlessvoid]

Shepard gets his helmet vaporized and his arm protection vaporized yet doesn't have any burns. Femsheps hair isn't even ruffled

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

The rumored war assets cinematic.... you know why it would make sense not to do it right away? Cause we don't have all of the war assests yet.
Imagine they'd do it right in the original. Then what? do it again after leviathan?
And ogain after omega adding whatever omega will add? And again after each DLC?
Makes sense to release all the DLC that is adding war assests and THEN make a cinematic including ALL of them in action.

This---- is surprisingly reasonable and makes a lot of sense. It indicates that Puzzle Theory might be really a thing to consider (and I already did before this post).
OKAY, NO MOAR POSTS!! >.<

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Theology is fantasy. Scifi is fantasy. Anyway, if you didn't like the god thing, it was obvious since the third episode. At that point I was like " oh great. Here we go. " But that's because I don't get offended by people believing in imaginary friends. No offense to anyone here if you do. You're free to worship if you want and I'm free to not do so. Freedom is awesome.

SciFi =/= Fantasy
Of course SciFi contains imaginary parts, hence the "Fiction". Yet, it should be based on scientific principles. Of course there are variations - Hard Core SciFi and Space Opera for example - and the latter shares traits with Fantasy, but they are still different things.
For example, a common theme in Fantasy is the struggle between good and evil (for example in LotR). That's why I would not declare Star Wars to be SciFi, but Fantasy. The story is not really based on scientific principles and the main struggle is good vs evil (at least in the original movies).
The MEU is convincing - at least for me - since it really explains how things work and they usually do not rely on magic (okay, Eezo for that matter is this element in story telling to allow all the good stuff). So we have the scientific basis. Though in ME we have villians (the Reapers), it is not good vs evil. We have a lot of variations in the grey region, even the player - depending on Paragon/Renegade - is not necessarily good.

Okay, now to the next point.
BSG was a great series, if you did not know the ending. I was hoping for some kind of ambiguity (is it really a god or is it a synthetic super AI?) and did get the certainty that I hate the ending, without any loophole to get out of it. Knowing the ending destroys the entire series, since - as mentioned before - the ending is foreshadowed since the beginning.
As you may have noticed, that was a huge let-down for me and is by far worse than ME (even if it turns out to be literal I dare say).
I think this should be my last post about this topic, I do not want to derail it anymore and you presumabely do not want to see me ranting anymore^_^.
Closing words: BSG really had ****ty endings. I am out for today.
Good fight, good night.

It's cool. Hope we're still friends.

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...
Well if AI can't effect Shepard from using the control panel at the end, then what exactly is going on?

spotlessvoid wrote...
What does low ems control mean? What is the consequence of choosing synthesis if Shepard is actually interacting with the control panel?
If he can truly activate the crucible then why aren't the Reapers making a serious effort to stop it?

Well if the Citadel is happening, then the only way the Reapers can stop him is by indoctrinating him.  So the mental effort is both trying to figure out the panel and trying to make sense of all the hallucinations and the Reaper voice.

The hallucinations do get stronger as you get nearer the end so it does make sense.

Low EMS control is hardly any different to high EMS control.  It just means the effect of the blast is less devastating in high EMS, because of the lesser damage to the Crucible.

The three options in the Chamber would then be symbolic of the real life choices.  The worst of which would be to use the device for Synthesis.  Or to not use it at all, as both result in everyone getting harvested.

Control would at least mean that the people have a chance to fight back, which is implied by the Miranda slides.  Who's there if she's dead btw?  Or there're just no Reaper analysis slides?

In such a scenario it would imply that the Crucible can actually do what it is supposed to do.  How that would actually work for Synthesis though... well... I don't know.  "Add your energy to the Crucible's".  Hard to say.  Maybe the beam comes down in the room behind you.  There is a circular hole at the top of the room.

On the other hand...

If it's a trap and Anderson and Hackett are indoctrinated, then certainly the Synthesis idea suggests that walking into the beam on Earth is a Bad Idea.  But then what does control symblise... and why are there four handles as if a Keeper would use it...

I don't know.  Carry on IT.  No answers here.

starlitegirlx wrote...

Shepard's in rubble in london. Never even made it to the beam because you're wearing your armor then suddenly not? That's way to questionable to ignore. I still don't know how control and synthesis people justify that one or do they just completely ignore it. It's screaming WTF?! Too jarring to ignore. It's like they shove it down your damn throat. Armor. No armor. Please tell me where the armor went? Did it magically get burned off leaving my casual wear completely fine? And my skin? No burns there either? Very very very strange. Like a dream. Yes. Dream strange.

I'm no Control or Synthesis supporter, but hold on... you're saying the armour is proof... but then why is Shepard wearing the post-blast clothes in the Breath scene?

Modifié par Davik Kang, 24 octobre 2012 - 10:52 .

[paxxton]

Remember that husks from Sanctuary are delivered to TIM. I haven't seen any on Cronos.

[TJBartlemus]

 So what is up guys? What have I missed in the last 24 hours? Anything cool? 

My day isn't going too well. Backed my truck into the garage door when my brother decided (or by accident) to press the button to make it go down. Clipped the bottom and dented it pretty bad. Now just waiting for the guy to come and give an estimate to fix it. Does insurance cover this sort of thing?

[TJBartlemus]

paxxton wrote...

Remember that husks from Sanctuary are delivered to TIM. I haven't seen any on Cronos.

Husks were delivered to TIM? When was that shown to the player? 

[MegumiAzusa]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Shepard's in rubble in london. Never even made it to the beam because you're wearing your armor then suddenly not? That's way to questionable to ignore. I still don't know how control and synthesis people justify that one or do they just completely ignore it. It's screaming WTF?! Too jarring to ignore. It's like they shove it down your damn throat. Armor. No armor. Please tell me where the armor went? Did it magically get burned off leaving my casual wear completely fine? And my skin? No burns there either? Very very very strange. Like a dream. Yes. Dream strange.

Where aren't you wearing armor?

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Remember that husks from Sanctuary are delivered to TIM. I haven't seen any on Cronos.

Husks were delivered to TIM? When was that shown to the player? 

The second to last terminal in Sanctuary. Shepard and squadies talk about it.

[Andromidius]

Restrider wrote...
Closing words: BSG really had ****ty endings.

I don't hate it, personally.  Could have been better, but it wasn't in the same league as LOST.

The whole deal with Starbuck was just weird.  I don't know why they went that route.  But its easily ignored in the long run, considering the strength of the rest of the ending.  And yeah, I didn't even mind them finding Earth the way they did.

We got payoff (Cylons being pacified and leaving to explore the galaxy by themselves), closure (bar Starbuck, but whatever) and even a bit of a hint that 'maybe it all really happened' - even though obviously it didn't.

...off topic.  I think its down to personal taste, though.  But I do agree that the whole 'One True God' thing should have been resolved.  As should have why Baltar could see Six even though he didn't have an implant (apperently) other then some vague suggestion that 'God did it'.