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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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CmdrShep80 wrote...

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But that is not the armor my character wears and throughout the game, I am in the armor my character wears, but suddenly I'm in something that looks like N7. And reletively unscathed for someone whose armor was just burned off as if by fire.


Its not the armor I wear either, but I'm willing to let it slide, since making a charred version of every bit of armor would have taken far too long.


its this one is t it?  This is what Shepard had on in the dreams

https://www.google.c...iAL124HwDA#i=34


The link isn't working for me. It jumps to some imagine of jack on a page full of images but then quickly jumps to google's main search page.

As far as it would have taken far too long, I don't find that to be a sufficient excuse. It wouldn't have taken that long at all. A charring or burned effect is actually not all that hard to do. And from that one image, you have the image you use throughout the sequence. fact that they didn't do it has nothing to do with time and more to do with why. Why would you burn off Shepard's armor but leave Shepard looking relatively okay all things considered? Because what is happening is not real.

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How can people see this and not realize what's going on?

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I mean, that just says it all, in cinematography.

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Starlitegirl:

They could have designed a new advanced armor they railroad Shepard into wearing in London. Then all they're creating is two new armor sets. Fresh/Burned. If it really was that big a problem time wise

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RE: the synthesis polls - I think very few would actually choose that. The idea of just removing the threat of the reapers would logically seem better than changing everything and even having reapers help you rebuild. But what I find interesting is that I think the logic behind why so few favor synthesis is because at some level IT is clicking for them. It's like they can't form the full concept yet but working with the reapers and changing everything is a trigger to send them to control or destroy. I'd be willing to bet that the moment that option was offered, they might have almost realized what was happening but didn't get all the way there and since it is presented last it's choice time so people probably deferred to the one that was least guilt inspiring. Control most likely unless they didn't care about the geth enough or were still dead set on destroying the reapers.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

byne wrote...

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But that is not the armor my character wears and throughout the game, I am in the armor my character wears, but suddenly I'm in something that looks like N7. And reletively unscathed for someone whose armor was just burned off as if by fire.


Its not the armor I wear either, but I'm willing to let it slide, since making a charred version of every bit of armor would have taken far too long.


its this one is t it?  This is what Shepard had on in the dreams

https://www.google.c...iAL124HwDA#i=34


The link isn't working for me. It jumps to some imagine of jack on a page full of images but then quickly jumps to google's main search page.

As far as it would have taken far too long, I don't find that to be a sufficient excuse. It wouldn't have taken that long at all. A charring or burned effect is actually not all that hard to do. And from that one image, you have the image you use throughout the sequence. fact that they didn't do it has nothing to do with time and more to do with why. Why would you burn off Shepard's armor but leave Shepard looking relatively okay all things considered? Because what is happening is not real.


It was meant to b e this one:


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Control definitely has the paragon appeal

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Edit: Top.  Darn, where're estebanus and Banshee when you need them? :)


School night perhaps?

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Is it just me or is the fact that Shepard is in the same armor that gets burnt up at the end that is getting engulfed in flames in the final dream?

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How can people see this and not realize what's going on?

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I mean, that just says it all, in cinematography.


People don't pay attention. They just watch but don't think. Remember also it's a game so they are in play mode. Most gamers aren't thinking about what's happening beyond what they need to do task wise. So looking at what is happening beyond where you need to go and what you need to accomplish is not something they are doing. They are watching and waiting to do what they came there to do and then they are surprised by the three options. Again, I'll use the surprise quiz analogy:

You're in class and doing what is expected. The teacher is telling you all the specific things that are very important but without saying they are very important and you're just sitting there like you always do. Going through the motions of being in class. Then there is a surprise quiz when the teacher is done. You've just been told and shown everything you need to know but you weren't really taking it in beyond awareness that stuff was being said and shown. It didn't seem relevant at that moment or even relevant at all. The quiz comes. You're shocked. You choose the answer that looks best. In most cases it was probably the wrong one for most people. Most people don't play games to think things through and have to make decisions of relevance. They just go through the motions, shooting and killing and performing tasks from start to finish missing all the relevant details along the way.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Is it just me or is the fact that Shepard is in the same armor that gets burnt up at the end that is getting engulfed in flames in the final dream?


The dream armor is always your actual armor setup.

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Ah ok thanks byne.

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Does anyone know how Shepard was able to actually communicate with the dying Reaper on Rannoch?  Did you notice he was by himself again?

EDIT - I just noticed the next scene where Talli and Legion step into the frame, they didn't even notice Shepard was even talking to a Reaper.  It's almost as if Shepard froze for 1 second but that whole conversation happened while Shepard was frozen. 

EDIT 2 - Rannoch Reaper 17:46  Should start at 17:46

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 25 octobre 2012 - 04:14 .


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Shepard must have looked completely nuts bobbing and weaving if the Rannoch Reaper wasn't there
"What the hell is he doing?"
"He did save the fleet.."


I know that's not what you meant.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

byne wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...


But that is not the armor my character wears and throughout the game, I am in the armor my character wears, but suddenly I'm in something that looks like N7. And reletively unscathed for someone whose armor was just burned off as if by fire.


Its not the armor I wear either, but I'm willing to let it slide, since making a charred version of every bit of armor would have taken far too long.


its this one is t it?  This is what Shepard had on in the dreams

https://www.google.c...iAL124HwDA#i=34


The link isn't working for me. It jumps to some imagine of jack on a page full of images but then quickly jumps to google's main search page.

As far as it would have taken far too long, I don't find that to be a sufficient excuse. It wouldn't have taken that long at all. A charring or burned effect is actually not all that hard to do. And from that one image, you have the image you use throughout the sequence. fact that they didn't do it has nothing to do with time and more to do with why. Why would you burn off Shepard's armor but leave Shepard looking relatively okay all things considered? Because what is happening is not real.


It was meant to b e this one:


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Yeah, it looks closer to that but more like even that is burned away. Nothing I'm wearing resembles the armor I had which is either silver or white. I'm in dark blue, very dark blue.

Honestly, even the way shepard moves toward the light is like the dream. The whole part after the beam basically resembles the dream and actually even how you chase the ball of light brat in the dreams in very similar to what is happening once you are hit with the beam. You are moving toward the beam of light. Then you are moving out of the cavern toward more light and then toward the brat which is more light. But every time you get to the brat it turns to fire. The brat to me screams danger based on the dreams alone. But taking those dreams into account as a parallel to what is happening after the beam, especially that last dream where shepard burns when beside the kid, I'd take that as a sign that if you trust that kid bad things will happen.

You can write it off as guilt but I think those nightmares were indoctrination attempts and that the fire was a warning or danger sign of shepard's psyche. It's also interesting that shepard's armor is burned off after hit by the beam because we never actually see anything set on fire from the beam. Just flat out destroyed. Nothing fire related. More like vaporized or sliced. So that the armor is burned off is reminiscent of the nightmares. Do all three have fire? I think they all do.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Shepard must have looked completely nuts bobbing and weaving if the Rannoch Reaper wasn't there
"What the hell is he doing?"
"He did save the fleet.."


I know that's not what you meant.

It all makes sense now! I knew there was a significance to the moment when Tali walks in on the conversation but I didn't put it together until just now. She walks in at just the time where she wouldn't know Shepard is crazy. In all the dialogue options after Tali comes, it is plausible that Shepard could just be talking smack to a dead reaper.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Shepard must have looked completely nuts bobbing and weaving if the Rannoch Reaper wasn't there
"What the hell is he doing?"
"He did save the fleet.."


I know that's not what you meant.


No that's not what I meant.  If you notice when you watch the video, Shepard is alone.  The rest of his squad is in the escape vehicle that Legion found and Shepard was shooting from.  As soon as the Quarians shoot down the Reaper, it is slowly dying.  All of a sudden its beam eye flips around and looks at you.  The Reaper begins speaking in Terran Standard instead of the Reaper horn which it was doing earlier while it was battling you and your squad. 

Once you're done talking with it, it dies.  Tali steps into the scene saying "We've killed a Reaper, Keelah..." followed by Legion saying "We can confirm that the Geth are no longer being directed by the old machines."  Both do not seem to notice Shepard and the Reaper having a profound discussion. 

It's almost as if Shepard walked up to the edge of the cliff and froze for one second.  During that one second he had a hallucination (just like Leviathan and just like the kid ) had a lengthy conversation with the Reaper then unfroze when Tali walked up

I also noticed a purly coinicdential scene as Shepard walked toward the edge of the cliff.  I snapped it with my phone then spent who knows how long now trying to get it to show up (and finally did YAY).  The Reaper's eyeballs just happen to weirdly and coincidentally be reflecting right at the same spot that Shepard's eyes are at giving his eyes a strange glow:

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EDIT - Links the vid again:  Rannoch Reaper 17:46 Should start at 17:46

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 25 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .


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It looks like some posters are getting casual and armor definitions mixed up.... have we resolved this yet or do I need to go make screenshots?

Which I would love to do, I haven't in awhile.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 25 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .


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if you love to do it I would say do it. If for nothing else we can use it as a resource in the future.

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plfranke wrote...

if you love to do it I would say do it. If for nothing else we can use it as a resource in the future.


I'm not sure I understand where people are getting confused. But I'll try to sort thigns out with screenshots.

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plfranke wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Shepard must have looked completely nuts bobbing and weaving if the Rannoch Reaper wasn't there
"What the hell is he doing?"
"He did save the fleet.."


I know that's not what you meant.

It all makes sense now! I knew there was a significance to the moment when Tali walks in on the conversation but I didn't put it together until just now. She walks in at just the time where she wouldn't know Shepard is crazy. In all the dialogue options after Tali comes, it is plausible that Shepard could just be talking smack to a dead reaper.


I know, I didn't notice that the Reaper was speaking English when the Reaper hasn't done so.  It took the pieces of other Reaper scenes for me to realize it this time around while I was looking for something Anderson had said.  I did find that by the way.  Anderson right after the Councillor assassination attempt says that the Reapers are planning something big and that the Alliance on Earth should focus their efforts on London.  Strange how he says this so early in the game.  I was thinking about how Davik described how Hackett could have possibly been indoctrinated and I got to thinking that Anderson could have too and both were luring Shepard to the beam.  Somewhere else I remember someone (I swear it was Anderson) saying that the general populuce was coming out of hiding, heading toward the Reapers as if the Reapers called them over, and being slaughtered/processed

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Very well  then, here are some screenshots to help this confusion (I hope).

This is CASUAL CLOTHING1 (female Shepard):

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This is CASUAL CLOTHING 4 (female Shepard), this is also the casual wear you have on at the start of the game:

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This is DEFAULT N7 ARMOR (female Shepard), you start in this armor for the Mars mission:

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This is a damaged version of the DEFAULT N7 ARMOR you are automatically put in after Harbigner attacks you during the beam run:

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IMPORTANT NOTE: Regardless of what armor you're currently wearing for the Beam run (Blood Dragon, Hahne-Kedar, Reckoner Knight, etc) the game changes you to the damaged version of the DEFAULT N7 ARMOR once you are attacked.

If you are seeing CASUAL CLOTHING 1 or 4 on your Shepard when you stumble awake after Harbinger's attack, it is a likely a unique gltich in your game, or the work of a mod you may have downloaded. This is the first time I'm hearing of this bug, if it is a bug and not just confusion. It would be helpful to us if you uploaded a screenshot of whatever you're seeing.

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On an unrelated side note, the new photobucket layout is annoying as all hell.

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Shepard has default armour in some cutscenes just like with guns. It's not that complicated. I thought it was really obvious that dream armour=default/iconic armour=melted armour at the end. Just look at any promotional art, that armour is commonplace and there's nothing weird about it. It's the symbolic, superhero clothes that everyone identifies Shepard with.

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www.youtube.com/watch

Starchild's true form. 
 
It looks really odd. 

Couldn't get the link formatting right. Must be a forum issue. 

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Very well  then, here are some screenshots to help this confusion (I hope).

This is CASUAL CLOTHING1 (female Shepard):

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This is CASUAL CLOTHING 4 (female Shepard), this is also the casual wear you have on at the start of the game:

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This is DEFAULT N7 ARMOR (female Shepard), you start in this armor for the Mars mission:

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This is a damaged version of the DEFAULT N7 ARMOR you are automatically put in after Harbigner attacks you during the beam run:

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IMPORTANT NOTE: Regardless of what armor you're currently wearing for the Beam run (Blood Dragon, Hahne-Kedar, Reckoner Knight, etc) the game changes you to the damaged version of the DEFAULT N7 ARMOR once you are attacked.

If you are seeing CASUAL CLOTHING 1 or 4 on your Shepard when you stumble awake after Harbinger's attack, it is a likely a unique gltich in your game, or the work of a mod you may have downloaded. This is the first time I'm hearing of this bug, if it is a bug and not just confusion. It would be helpful to us if you uploaded a screenshot of whatever you're seeing.


You're missing part of the point.
in the last picture, the casual and armor is mixed in one outfit. Shepard is clearly wearing the casual under the armor.