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[Restrider]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BeastSaver wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

something from 5 months ago.... interesting....

Where Shepard and Anderson are teleported is more like the underside of the Citadel tower's base ring, because the Crucible attaches to the ring and is directly above Shepard's head. It also looks totally different in that at the chasm, you see stuff that looks like the engines of the Shadow Broker's ship, and if you look back as you are walking over, you see what looks like blood or goo cascading down to some other location.

I'm saying the shape of the space is a memory and the citadel sequence is similar.

Watch this.
No similarities? I doubt it...
I hope I did not get ninjad...

[Restrider]

starlitegirlx wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

That is a map of the Presidium Tower in ME1. The top is where the lift is, the ring is where the fountain is, etc. At the bottom is where you meet the council.

It does look like a Reaper, but it has nothing to do with the end of ME3. The Reapers built the Citadel, so it would be their kind of humour to let that room look like a Reaper.

I wonder if they planted the pretty cherry blossom trees too? Maybe sent in the collectors with some gardening sheers.

That may explain those trees we see in the reflections.

[Rifneno]

How's it going guys? I took a week or two off from ME3 because the side-show lunacy of the MP team was giving me hypertension. Was hoping some time away would help. It didn't, BTW. Should probably just stay away MP for good I guess. There's no hope for it unless they fire everyone on the tuning team and start fresh.

But I've been away from IT too, so there been any major finds in the thousand or so pages I missed?

[demersel]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Does anyone know how Shepard was able to actually communicate with the dying Reaper on Rannoch?  Did you notice he was by himself again?

EDIT - I just noticed the next scene where Talli and Legion step into the frame, they didn't even notice Shepard was even talking to a Reaper.  It's almost as if Shepard froze for 1 second but that whole conversation happened while Shepard was frozen. 

EDIT 2 - Rannoch Reaper 17:46  Should start at 17:46

smae thing happens hen hackett firts contacts you about going to mars. You're in the middle of argument with your squadmates, then you hear joker tell you about hacket turn away from your squaddies -who act just as if you have taken a second to think about your reply to them, and as if they didn't hear joker - then when you have conversation with hackett they act as if they also think what to say next - then after you're finished with hackett they come come to you as if wanting to continue the coversation but instead you call on joker and say to plot a course to Mars - which he is surpised to hear. The squadmates act as if for them you just turned around for a second and took a pause to think. 

Every other time you speak either to kackett or anderson - you are alone. 

[demersel]

Also could someone try speeding the drums a bit, that you get in the decision chamber right before you make your choice - to if when sped up they sound like a heartbeat.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Also could someone try speeding the drums a bit, that you get in the decision chamber right before you make your choice - to if when sped up they sound like a heartbeat.

No, it sounds like a train moving on rails. Someone has already done it.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:29 .

[Davik Kang]

BatmanTurian wrote...
no guys, i meant how it's labeled. It does kind of look vaguely like a map of the citadel sequence

Thanks, I'll have a think about this, see if I can fit anything else in.

SwobyJ wrote...
ME1: We work for Council.
ME2: We work for Cerberus, Council proves itself to be unhelpful
ME3: We work for Alliance, Cerberus proves itself to be an enemy, Council returns to have your back

Note that in ME1 we work for Council.  In ME2 we work for Cerberus but use Council assets (Normandy, squadmates etc.) in other words Cerberus has appropriated Council assets.  In ME3 we work for Alliance but using Council assets (Spectre status) and Cerberus assets (the new normandy, new crew members, even the proto-Reaper).

Also note that, though Hackett is the sworn enemy of Cerberus in ME3, in ME2 he actively refuses to allow an arrest warrant for Shepard that would prize her away from Cerberus.  He actually allows her to work for Cerberus in ME2 and avoids taking charge of the situation.

[Davik Kang]

CmdrShep80 wrote...
I know, I didn't notice that the Reaper was speaking English when the Reaper hasn't done so.  It took the pieces of other Reaper scenes for me to realize it this time around while I was looking for something Anderson had said.  I did find that by the way.  Anderson right after the Councillor assassination attempt says that the Reapers are planning something big and that the Alliance on Earth should focus their efforts on London.  Strange how he says this so early in the game.  I was thinking about how Davik described how Hackett could have possibly been indoctrinated and I got to thinking that Anderson could have too and both were luring Shepard to the beam.  Somewhere else I remember someone (I swear it was Anderson) saying that the general populuce was coming out of hiding, heading toward the Reapers as if the Reapers called them over, and being slaughtered/processed

Yes it seems that by the end Anderson could be indoctrinated too.

Some things to note (won't be back til later to discuss)

- above Anderson's room on P:E at the FOB, you can see a Kodiac floating.  On Mars, a Kodiac is floating in exactly the same position at the end of the mission before it comes down to collect Dr. Eva

- Anderson hand waves two key things when making the final plan.  The first is on the Normandy, when he explains that the beam goes to the Citadel.  We just see a red hologram with no beam.  The later on Earty when Coats asks "why don't we call an aerial strike?" Anderson again hand waves "some kind of interference" and again we see a red hologram.  Is it a warning that indoctrinationj is preventing clear thinking in these two points?

There are other things about Vancouver.  Did I mention the prime numbers already?  Also, the first time you see husks, they are running away from you, and it looks like they're beating on the windows to try to escape from you.  They look terrified.  Only after you shoot them do others attack you.  Is it possible that they're real people and you're only seeing them as husks?

More later

[Rifneno]

Davik Kang wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...
I know, I didn't notice that the Reaper was speaking English when the Reaper hasn't done so.  It took the pieces of other Reaper scenes for me to realize it this time around while I was looking for something Anderson had said.  I did find that by the way.  Anderson right after the Councillor assassination attempt says that the Reapers are planning something big and that the Alliance on Earth should focus their efforts on London.  Strange how he says this so early in the game.  I was thinking about how Davik described how Hackett could have possibly been indoctrinated and I got to thinking that Anderson could have too and both were luring Shepard to the beam.  Somewhere else I remember someone (I swear it was Anderson) saying that the general populuce was coming out of hiding, heading toward the Reapers as if the Reapers called them over, and being slaughtered/processed

Yes it seems that by the end Anderson could be indoctrinated too.

Some things to note (won't be back til later to discuss)

- above Anderson's room on P:E at the FOB, you can see a Kodiac floating.  On Mars, a Kodiac is floating in exactly the same position at the end of the mission before it comes down to collect Dr. Eva

- Anderson hand waves two key things when making the final plan.  The first is on the Normandy, when he explains that the beam goes to the Citadel.  We just see a red hologram with no beam.  The later on Earty when Coats asks "why don't we call an aerial strike?" Anderson again hand waves "some kind of interference" and again we see a red hologram.  Is it a warning that indoctrinationj is preventing clear thinking in these two points?

There are other things about Vancouver.  Did I mention the prime numbers already?  Also, the first time you see husks, they are running away from you, and it looks like they're beating on the windows to try to escape from you.  They look terrified.  Only after you shoot them do others attack you.  Is it possible that they're real people and you're only seeing them as husks?

More later

Uhh, shuttles hover.  That's like saying two cars must have something in common because they both drive forward on roads.  And there IS "some kind of interference."  Why do you think that even EDI couldn't make guided missiles go where she wanted?

[Ithurael]

Rifneno wrote...

How's it going guys? I took a week or two off from ME3 because the side-show lunacy of the MP team was giving me hypertension. Was hoping some time away would help. It didn't, BTW. Should probably just stay away MP for good I guess. There's no hope for it unless they fire everyone on the tuning team and start fresh.

But I've been away from IT too, so there been any major finds in the thousand or so pages I missed?

They are adding a Volus Vanguard to MP *breathes and a Volus Engineer just beat the Platinum difficulty...


:wizard:

Speculations abound!

[MegumiAzusa]

Ithurael wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

How's it going guys? I took a week or two off from ME3 because the side-show lunacy of the MP team was giving me hypertension. Was hoping some time away would help. It didn't, BTW. Should probably just stay away MP for good I guess. There's no hope for it unless they fire everyone on the tuning team and start fresh.

But I've been away from IT too, so there been any major finds in the thousand or so pages I missed?

They are adding a Volus Vanguard to MP *breathes and a Volus Engineer just beat the Platinum difficulty...


:wizard:

Speculations abound!

Volus are pretty stronk with their 3rd skill.

[MegumiAzusa]

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@BatmanTurian

Yes, that's true. Shepard wears casual clothing under the armor He/She wears, seemingly during the entire game. Think of it as underwear but for your armor.

This was uncovered and established several months ago. Shepard is switched to default N7 armor, charred, and appears to have casual Clothing under the charred Armor. The presence of the clothing adds no more to the ending argument than the default armor switch. Or maybe it does, I personally never thought my Shepards went into battle without some kind of clothing under their armor... ... ... Chafing.

the earlier argument was that shepard's armor was blown off and/or melted to the point where his/her casual uniform was showing underneith, therefore, Shepard would not be able to survive the blast that caused the destruction of the armor, therefore adding to the evidence that everything after harbinger's blast is a dream sequence. I was helping starlite explain this and it got into this argument about the armor when it was actually about Shepard's suvivability and lack of scarring, burn issue, etc.

Yes. I had thought it was different armor, but okay, not. Undergarments and original N7, but that still doesn't explain how it can burn off at the arms and not burn shepard's arms or face. Especially the face becasue then you're saying that the beam that can BURN THROUGH ARMOR doesn't damage skin. Given the fact that BW has been generally good with graphics (see the oily child the starbrat becomes when the settings are reversed), I find this to be either completely negligent to a very bold clue that people keep fluffing off. WAKE UP PEOPLE. The armor is burned off but somehow shepard is barely scathed? Especially shepards face because I don't think shepard was wearing a helment at that point, but even if shepard was, how does his/her face only end up with a couple of bruises when the beam burned all of the armor off? Space magic? laziness in the graphics department? Or are we now in an illusion/delusion? Sorry, but logically speaking, justificaltions do not hold up as to why shepard is not far more damaged from that beam when we've seen what that beam does to people. There's a whole scene of asari and krogan getting blasted by it. Looks like they're pretty much dead. That beam is a killing machine. Yet shepard gets up with only armor burned off? Riiiiight.

The point is that it isn't burned of but it became brittle. You see cracks all over the armor, so it isn't a long way to assume the armor for the arms broke. Also remember the beam doesn't hit.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 25 octobre 2012 - 01:10 .

[CmdrShep80]

magnetite wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Starchild's true form. 
 
It looks really odd. 

Couldn't get the link formatting right. Must be a forum issue. 

cool vid. I just noticed that there's no preview for what happens in synthesis

[Davik Kang]

starlitegirlx wrote...
Yes. I had thought it was different armor, but okay, not. Undergarments and original N7, but that still doesn't explain how it can burn off at the arms and not burn shepard's arms or face. Especially the face becasue then you're saying that the beam that can BURN THROUGH ARMOR doesn't damage skin. Given the fact that BW has been generally good with graphics (see the oily child the starbrat becomes when the settings are reversed), I find this to be either completely negligent to a very bold clue that people keep fluffing off. WAKE UP PEOPLE. The armor is burned off but somehow shepard is barely scathed? Especially shepards face because I don't think shepard was wearing a helment at that point, but even if shepard was, how does his/her face only end up with a couple of bruises when the beam burned all of the armor off? Space magic? laziness in the graphics department? Or are we now in an illusion/delusion? Sorry, but logically speaking, justificaltions do not hold up as to why shepard is not far more damaged from that beam when we've seen what that beam does to people. There's a whole scene of asari and krogan getting blasted by it. Looks like they're pretty much dead. That beam is a killing machine. Yet shepard gets up with only armor burned off? Riiiiight.

Yeah but why does Shep wake up in the Breath scene with the same burned armour?  Surely, by your logic, the breath scene is a dream too?

[Pascal219]

No the breath scene is a clue for the players that not all is as it seems. It's the hardest clue to reach because of your war assets.

[FFZero]

Hello everyone, have I missed anything groundbreaking in the past few days?

Also is anyone else here going to the MCMExpo this weekend?

[smokingotter1]

magnetite wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Starchild's true form. 
 
It looks really odd. 

Couldn't get the link formatting right. Must be a forum issue. 

Wow inverse vid! Wanting to do that. Wow destroy really does appear blue.

[TheWill]

[quote]smokingotter1 wrote...

[quote]magnetite wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Starchild's true form. 
 
It looks really odd. 

Couldn't get the link formatting right. Must be a forum issue. 

[/quote]


looks like oily shadows.. right?

[Leonia]

Looks pretty transparent and oily without the invert..

And since we are looking at different perspectives, what happens if all three endings are played overlayed on top of each other? Has that ever been done? Can that sort of thing be done? I mean, pre-EC people complained that the ending was just a different colour because the scenes were nearly identical.

There's no telling whether Bioware intended the clues to be this hard to find and we may be seeing something they didn't intend. That or we're just getting a clearer picture of something else that should have been more obvious. It doesn't make them bad people or anything.

Modifié par leonia42, 25 octobre 2012 - 02:49 .

[Leonia]

starlitegirlx wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Looks pretty transparent and oily without the invert..

And innocently glowing white.

Because white is always good and children are never evil. If you want to believe in something greater than the literal, you have to look for more than what is literally represented.

[Davik Kang]

Rifneno wrote...
Uhh, shuttles hover.  That's like saying two cars must have something in common because they both drive forward on roads.  And there IS "some kind of interference."  Why do you think that even EDI couldn't make guided missiles go where she wanted?

That's not what I'm saying.  Why is there a Kodiac floating up there at all?

Fair point about the interference.  Seems odd that they can't just use non-guided artillery.  But that doesn't really imply anything so I'll drop it.

Btw Megumi/FFZero I think you were right about the Oxford Circus / Big Ben / Buckingham Palace triangle at the end.  We are pretty close to the beam when we settle near Big Ben to take out the anti-air Reaper gun.

[Davik Kang]

FFZero wrote...
Hello everyone, have I missed anything groundbreaking in the past few days?  

Anderson and Hackett are indoctrinated and leading us all to our doom.  As such Shepard is the catalyst for humanity's harvest at the hands of the Reapers.  It's also possible she has to shoot herself at the end.

Otherwise not much.

FFZero wrote...
Also is anyone else here going to the MCMExpo this weekend?

Is there anything worth going for?  I had a quick look at the website, not sure.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 25 octobre 2012 - 02:57 .