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[Leonia]

I'm not really a literalist or an ITist but sitting on the fence is starting to hurt my arse.

[Ithurael]

Kenza wrote...

All of Chris's lockdown posts are making me sad. D: I'm really starting to wonder if they have a Supeer-Secret Plan, or if it's "Hey guys, that's it! Don't you like it?!"

I have a funny feeling that Bioware's stance is the latter unfortunatly...

We will see. I hope leviathan dlc is rich enough in story. And a part of me thinks that they will hit a "grand slam" with Dragon Age 3 - because at this point they almost have to.

All good things in time. IT was by far one of the most innovative ideas to come out of the ending sh*t storm I have ever seen. Unfortunate that it ended like this, but all things end evenutally. (note: IT is officially over for me as of Chris' post. It isn't my intention to say that IT is over - just over for me)  That post was pretty much the deathnail, sermon, and burial

[Rosewind]

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not really a literalist or an ITist but sitting on the fence is starting to hurt my arse.

Come to the Dark side Leonia I know you want to...

On that note I really am gone back soon

Modifié par Rosewind, 04 août 2012 - 05:39 .

[masster blaster]

So when are we going to commence operation N7? And I mean create some IT info for new comers and other people alike.

[CyberMiguel]

Ithurael wrote...

Would IT then lead into ME4? If so how? Bioware stated that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story. It seems kinda BM to say that - then pull a 180 and give us more of Shepard's story.

What do you think bsn? How can IT come back from this? Can it?  

Simple: moar moneys.

If EA people thinks they can make moar money out of Shepard, they will make Mass Effect 4 "starring our brave commander fighting the most dangerous weapons of all: indoctrination". 

Modifié par CyberMiguel, 04 août 2012 - 05:40 .

[zigamortis]

Any news?

[Ithurael]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Kenza wrote...

All of Chris's lockdown posts are making me sad. D: I'm really starting to wonder if they have a Supeer-Secret Plan, or if it's "Hey guys, that's it! Don't you like it?!"

what's this? I haven't seen this? Are IT people being locked down? Or people in general who are complaining about the ending? What's happening?

it was this that caused it

Chris Priestly wrote...


I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes"
as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop
whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not
plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or
subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.



That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said,
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely
possible for future DLC as well.



And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy
another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel thht way,
but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company
(us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your
expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do
not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up
with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another
try.



However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have
disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or
games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to
be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere
and stop trying to ruin the funn and enjoyment for those people who do
enjoy ME3 and the DLC.



Done now.


LOCKDOWN!

EDIT: and I am pretty sure it came out of an "ending complaining/upset" thread BTW not an IT thread. Though how IT is a valid interpreation of the endngs for me is just beyond my reasoning.

Modifié par Ithurael, 04 août 2012 - 05:48 .

[jgibson14352]

 look everybody, ive been a hardcore lurker and occasional poster since about page 800 of the mark two thread, always holding out hope that bioware isnt done. after i played the EC, this thread and this alone very seriously stopped me from shelving my massive collection of ME stuff. but this? this is extremely cut and dried. No. i may drop back in after leviathan releases just in case, i owe the series that much of a third chance, but i cannot see this as being inadmissable. its in my head now that this really is the end, and BioWare very seriously did drop the ball. i was actually in the middle of an entire series playthrough, im on thanes loyalty mission right now, and i logged on quickly to see if anything new had come up. after i saw that, the game was immediately in its case in the back of my closet, and chances are it wont leave there ever again. i just cannot put up with the absolute letdown that the endings were, and this has certainly stopped me from purchasing anything EA ever again, bioware or otherwise.

"I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings."

[Leonia]

You know what I find irritating? The EC was meant to give closure but for many of us it undid the closure we had (yeah, we're a minority that accepted the original ending as it was). And now the BSN is basically burning with Priestly's "I've laid the law down and this is how it's going to be" and I'm just lost and confused and unsure of everything.

Is it worth going on about IT still or are we deluding ourselves with fantasy?

"There's so much confusion and I can't get no relief."

Modifié par leonia42, 04 août 2012 - 05:52 .

[Ithurael]

leonia42 wrote...

You know what I find irritating? The EC was meant to give closure but for many of us it undid the closure we had (yeah, we're a minority that accepted the original ending as it was). And now the BSN is basically burning with Priestly's "I've laid the law down and this is how it's going to be" and I'm just lost and confused and unsure of everything.

Is it worth going on about IT still or are we deluding ourselves with fantasy?

"There's so much confusion and I can't get no relief."

+12 internets for the song reference

[Hrothdane]

leonia42 wrote...

You know what I find irritating? The EC was meant to give closure but for many of us it undid the closure we had (yeah, we're a minority that accepted the original ending as it was). And now the BSN is basically burning with "I've laid the law down and this is how it's going to be" and I'm just lost and confused and unsure of everything. Is it worth going on about IT still or are we deluding ourselves with fantasy?

"There's so much confusion and I can't get no relief."

Maybe it's all the talk about hallucinations and mental manipulation, but I don't know what to believe in anything Bioware says.

[Dusen]

I just wish that they would come out and say IT is false if it is. All of this "it might be, it might not" just works to get my hopes up with every new DLC and then those hopes are quickly dashed, instilling more disdain for BW because of it. If they just came out and said that IT was false I would obviously be saddened to know that one of my favorite game series ended on a terrible note, but at least I could move on.

[Iconoclaste]

starlitegirlx wrote...

But nothing we write will sway anyone who is not already leaning in the IT direction, which is fine. Let them be content with their endings just as they should STFU and let us be content with our belief in IT. It's just like religion. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs but trying to tell someone theirs are wrong isn't going to go over well.

All this arose from insatisfaction regarding the "endings". I remember well some posts where players feared the EC would give IT a hard blow, and some even expressed their sympathy to the IT followers just days before the release of EC. The deed is done now, and some still see IT as a possible "reality" for future game content. I don't think it's wise to hope for that, and I'd rather see work on a more definite IT scheme that fits the actual game, that gets rid of the necessity of a future "boss fight" to hold itself together.In your description, IT looks hopeless, and that saddens me. You wish to believe into something that "God" said will not happen, I don't see how the IT "community" will hold together with such a strong deterrent. We all live with hope, but hope is not illusion : it's based on a possible reality, something everyone can relate to in the same manner. With the expectation of a future "boss fight" that will never come, everyone who believes that will assuredly end up alone, in his very own, personal version of the ending, with close to nothing to share. Instead of heading that way, it's possible to integrate IT into what's been given as game content, with no strong link towards the unlikely. The tone used by Chris Priestley clearly shows annoyance, because IT is, like all other "denial reactions" to the endings, an ongoing destructive critic of Bioware's work. Too often, it has been said that "Either they intended this hint, or they really failed at (writing / designing / testing / etc).". So, I honestly think that there is still place for IT, it should really not rely on any future content, and anyways it should already suffice to itself with actual content just for the sake of not negating itself with any future disappointment. Being wrapped-up with what is provided now should get the job done. If not, then it's bound to end up in frustration against Bioware.

[jgibson14352]

Dusen wrote...

I just wish that they would come out and say IT is false if it is. All of this "it might be, it might not" just works to get my hopes up with every new DLC and then those hopes are quickly dashed, instilling more disdain for BW because of it. If they just came out and said that IT was false I would obviously be saddened to know that one of my favorite game series ended on a terrible note, but at least I could move on.

they pretty much did...

[Ithurael]

Dusen wrote...

I just wish that they would come out and say IT is false if it is. All of this "it might be, it might not" just works to get my hopes up with every new DLC and then those hopes are quickly dashed, instilling more disdain for BW because of it. If they just came out and said that IT was false I would obviously be saddened to know that one of my favorite game series ended on a terrible note, but at least I could move on.

Dude/Ma'am I think Priestly just said it. The EC is the ending. IT needs more content when Shepard wakes up. RGB is how the studio is ending ME3. The last remaining defense of IT - in my view at least - is that EA (being the greedy monsters that they are) will give a "Conclusion Trilogy" in an attempt to make more money. I don't know about that. I believe that EA is evil - but not THAT evil as to sell a "concluding"  chapter of a trilogy only to have it end on a cliffhanger for a new trilogy. That is either very bold or very bad. IDK

[Hrothdane]

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dusen wrote...

I just wish that they would come out and say IT is false if it is. All of this "it might be, it might not" just works to get my hopes up with every new DLC and then those hopes are quickly dashed, instilling more disdain for BW because of it. If they just came out and said that IT was false I would obviously be saddened to know that one of my favorite game series ended on a terrible note, but at least I could move on.

they pretty much did...

After the "no new endings in EC!" then "a new ending in EC!" thing, I just can't take anything they say about it at face value.

[ShepnTali]

When he said IT is a valid possibility, it's the same thing as Shepard alive or dead. Either interpretation is in your head and as valid as the other. That's what I got out of it. Obviously, it's not everybody's thing.

[Leonia]

Iconoclaste wrote...

So, I honestly think that there is still place for IT, it should really not rely on any future content, and anyways it should already suffice to itself with actual content just for the sake of not negating itself with any future disappointment. Being wrapped-up with what is provided now should get the job done. If not, then it's bound to end up in frustration against Bioware.

That's basically what I've been trying (and failing) to say for the last two threads, if the foundation of IT rests on "future content" then it sits on shaky (and potentinally, non-existent) ground. If it exists within what we have already been given and we've just not been clever enough to see it for what it is, then that's far more interesting. If future DLC expands on this, then I can dig it (hell, I'll play all the DLC anyway just to get my dose of ME goodness) but if future DLC is *required* to unravel the plot then I think that's a flawed business model and very unfair to "casual" fans or fans who have only played the third game which was always advertised as "a great starting point".

Modifié par leonia42, 04 août 2012 - 06:03 .

[Hrothdane]

leonia42 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

So, I honestly think that there is still place for IT, it should really not rely on any future content, and anyways it should already suffice to itself with actual content just for the sake of not negating itself with any future disappointment. Being wrapped-up with what is provided now should get the job done. If not, then it's bound to end up in frustration against Bioware.

That's basically what I've been trying (and failing) to say for the last two threads, if the foundation of IT rests on "future content" then it sits on shaky (and potentinally, non-existent) ground. If it exists within what we have already been given and we've just not been clever enough to see it for what it is, then that's far more interesting. If future DLC expands on this, then I can dig it (hell, I'll play all the DLC anyway just to get my dose of ME goodness) but if future DLC is *required* to unravel the plot then I think that's a flawed business model.

As far as I'm concerned, the IT has a mountain of evidence in support of it from existing content. All that would be nice from future content is confirmation, but that may be a pipe dream.

[Dusen]

Hrothdane wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dusen wrote...

I just wish that they would come out and say IT is false if it is. All of this "it might be, it might not" just works to get my hopes up with every new DLC and then those hopes are quickly dashed, instilling more disdain for BW because of it. If they just came out and said that IT was false I would obviously be saddened to know that one of my favorite game series ended on a terrible note, but at least I could move on.

they pretty much did...

After the "no new endings in EC!" then "a new ending in EC!" thing, I just can't take anything they say about it at face value.

Modifié par Dusen, 04 août 2012 - 06:04 .

[Dusen]

starlitegirlx wrote...
The EC DLC gave both parties what they wanted . . .

Really? . . .

[Iconoclaste]

Dusen wrote...

After the "no new endings in EC!" then "a new ending in EC!" thing, I just can't take anything they say about it at face value.

If you are referring to the "Refusal" ending, that is not a "new" ending, but a "clarification" of what happened originally if you refused to make one of the three choices : you simply got a line of text (crucible destroyed, you lose) and a fade to black. They added to that, simply.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 04 août 2012 - 06:15 .

[Kenza]

Dusen wrote...

I just wish that they would come out and say IT is false if it is. All of this "it might be, it might not" just works to get my hopes up with every new DLC and then those hopes are quickly dashed, instilling more disdain for BW because of it. If they just came out and said that IT was false I would obviously be saddened to know that one of my favorite game series ended on a terrible note, but at least I could move on.

This is exactly how i feel! I'm tired of being disapointed.  Today after whoever's twitter that was about the "no new endings," I was like 'OK then, I'm done! I'm moving on! '  I closed all my BSN tabs that I've had open since EC... Lasted a few hours and here I am again x.x I just keep hoping....