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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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MaximizedAction wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

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Damn that BS "teh reapers R teh good guyz" made my eyes hurt faster then a virtual boy ever could! I seriously think the OP was dropped on his/her head down a flight of stairs as a child...


I think Bioware overestimated the players' ability to think critically.


You know, there is such a thing as "challenging the mind". That's nature for ya, just what Darwin said, "the fittest doesn't get eaten by a Reaper"...or something like that.

edit: damn, top. Ah well, good night!

What? :pinched:

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Interesting, and random, little thing I just found out. The music that plays at the end of all of the dreams just before Shepard wakes is a tiny excerpt of the song called Defeat on the soundtrack which I believe is the song that plays at the end of the Thessia level.

Also are there any questions you guys want me to ask Chris and Jessica at the MCMExpo over the weekend?

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Who's going to be the Mass Effect 4 protagonist?

What other DLC do they have planned?

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magnetite wrote...

Who's going to be the Mass Effect 4 protagonist?

What other DLC do they have planned?


I highly doubt I’ll get answers to either of those but I’ll try.

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Is the breath scene really happening, or is it an easter egg?

If the breath scene is real, where is it happening?

If the breath scene is on Earth, how did Shepard get there?

Will shut some people up, at least.

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What did Fabrice mean when he said that the new protagonist won't "resemble" Shepard since Shepard is customizable and developed via player choice?

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Andromidius wrote...

Is the breath scene really happening, or is it an easter egg?

If the breath scene is real, where is it happening?

If the breath scene is on Earth, how did Shepard get there?

Will shut some people up, at least.


Breath scene is real.

It's on Earth, more specifically London, where you were. Shepard is buried underneath rubble. Harbinger's laser (or any Reaper) is capable of burying a missile silo underground, which Shepard is buried underneath a bunch of rubble. 

How? Well, Shepard didn't fall through the atmosphere at 1600 C re-entry temperature with no helmet or space suit. Neither did he survive a 100+ kilometer fall back to Earth, and wake up to talk about it. He never left Earth and everything in the last 20 minutes are going on in his head (Reaper Inodctrination)

Modifié par magnetite, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:39 .


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hey everyone, just found something new (or at least i think it is). it is a picture i took while watching the control ending extended cut again. i noticed that the star child turns into the oily shadow as described by the star child. i want to get everyones opinion on this
http://i49.tinypic.com/2m5l7ol.png

Modifié par shadoww6021, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:38 .


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magnetite wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Is the breath scene really happening, or is it an easter egg?

If the breath scene is real, where is it happening?

If the breath scene is on Earth, how did Shepard get there?

Will shut some people up, at least.


Breath scene is real.

It's on Earth, more specifically London, where you were. Shepard is buried underneath rubble. Harbinger's laser (or any Reaper) is capable of burying a missile silo underground, which Shepard is buried underneath a bunch of rubble. 

How? Well, Shepard didn't fall through the atmosphere at 1600 C re-entry temperature or survive a 100+ kilometer fall back to Earth, and wake up to talk about it. He never left Earth and everything in the last 20 minutes are going on in his head (Reaper Inodctrination)


My post was in relation to 'questions to ask' at the next Bioware panel.

We already know the answers.  Just want to hear it from the horse's mouth.  And if they dodge the question, its as good as answering it.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

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Huh. Ashley's body is in the pile of dead corpses found on the Collector Cruiser in ME2. Several of them, infact, the same as the ones in ME3.

Weird. Especially considering in this playthrough she's alive. Why would there be a pile of armoured corpses when everyone taken was a colonist?


oh that's just reused assets :whistle:


I'm just confused why its in ME2.  Foreshadowing?  But then why Ashley, and not Kaiden?

May be a coincidence.   Doesn't explain why dead colonists are wearing armour though.  Or why its the same colour as Ashley's.

Main reason we raised an eyebrow in ME3 was because those piles weren't there before Harbinger's beam.  Art assets can be overlooked.  But...  Yeah, I'm confused.  A lot of little things in ME2 confuse me.


Ashley's armor may be standard issue for planetside marines?

It is, it uses the classic alliance colors red and white.

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If I remember Mike Gamble said that a piece of rebar fell on Shepard at the PAX panel when someone asked about the breath scene. Now rebar isn't very big, but since the Citadel wasn't made of concrete (steel and other futuristic materials), it's a hint that Shepard is still in London when he wakes up.

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To Doomsday


Hackett: And I don't care what he thinks he's proven. There's only one way we defeat the Reapers: no more Reapers.

Shep: But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?

Hackett: That's like trying to tame a shark: somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it would be the whole galaxy. He's the worst possible person to give that kind of power to.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Huh. Ashley's body is in the pile of dead corpses found on the Collector Cruiser in ME2. Several of them, infact, the same as the ones in ME3.

Weird. Especially considering in this playthrough she's alive. Why would there be a pile of armoured corpses when everyone taken was a colonist?


oh that's just reused assets :whistle:


I'm just confused why its in ME2.  Foreshadowing?  But then why Ashley, and not Kaiden?

May be a coincidence.   Doesn't explain why dead colonists are wearing armour though.  Or why its the same colour as Ashley's.

Main reason we raised an eyebrow in ME3 was because those piles weren't there before Harbinger's beam.  Art assets can be overlooked.  But...  Yeah, I'm confused.  A lot of little things in ME2 confuse me.


Ashley's armor may be standard issue for planetside marines?

It is, it uses the classic alliance colors red and white.


I wish she had better Alt. Appearances though Posted Image

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magnetite wrote...

If I remember Mike Gamble said that a piece of rebar fell on Shepard. Now rebar isn't very big, but since the Citadel wasn't made of concrete (steel and other futuristic materials), it's a hint that Shepard is still in London when he wakes up.

Good one.

Another one could be "Is that an overturned Mako behind Shepard in the breath scene?"

Modifié par 401 Kill, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:46 .


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Cool! what is the inverted color of the blue explosion and green one?


Synthesis and Control are both red actually. Inverted, they look like oily shadows. Just like our "oily Starchild" friend there. 

Another thing I was going to note that with Synthesis, there is a slight yellow tinge to it. Maybe that's what the Rachni said with the "sour yellow note".

Yes and if I just pump everything into the red channel it all is red! :o
Implications...

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Another thing I was going to note that in London or maybe outside of it, there's lot of castles and really old medieval buildings. Certainly wouldn't fit with the whole futuristic materials part (Shepard being on the Citadel).

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I'm hoping that the breath scene is just the beginning of the illusion melting away. For instance Shepard is in the rubble at first in the burnt armor, then the rubble disappears and the armor goes back to his casual attire on the Normandy or something as the illusion completely dissipates.

Because frankly, even if he does wake up in London, what good is it? He's still already spent the bulk of the galaxy's military force in a suicidal battle to get the Crucible going. You know, that thing we mostly all agree is a trap. Where's the road to victory if the assault on Earth was really happening? I don't see it happening. The cut off point has to happen before Shepard goes through with that damning plan.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes and if I just pump everything into the red channel it all is red! :o
Implications...


Okay. Here's another way to look at it. TIM is the leader of a terrorist organization. Anderson is one of your best friends. Who are you going to trust?

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shadoww6021 wrote...

hey everyone, just found something new (or at least i think it is). it is a picture i took while watching the control ending extended cut again. i noticed that the star child turns into the oily shadow as described by the star child. i want to get everyones opinion on this
http://i49.tinypic.com/2m5l7ol.png

No it's bs. It cuts out the lightning behind it because of how transparency interacts with other types. You can see it doesn't change a bit if you don't take just a screenshot.

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Rifneno wrote...

I'm hoping that the breath scene is just the beginning of the illusion melting away. For instance Shepard is in the rubble at first in the burnt armor, then the rubble disappears and the armor goes back to his casual attire on the Normandy or something as the illusion completely dissipates.

Because frankly, even if he does wake up in London, what good is it? He's still already spent the bulk of the galaxy's military force in a suicidal battle to get the Crucible going. You know, that thing we mostly all agree is a trap. Where's the road to victory if the assault on Earth was really happening? I don't see it happening. The cut off point has to happen before Shepard goes through with that damning plan.


Rio! Posted Image

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magnetite wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes and if I just pump everything into the red channel it all is red! :o
Implications...


Okay. Here's another way to look at it. TIM is the leader of a terrorist organization. Anderson is one of your best friends. Who are you going to trust?

As said use the color coding of ME1, Reapers/Geth blue while Alliance/Citadel has red markings. Having the alliance to suddenly be blue is a very strange decision they made for the last game...

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I'm hoping that the breath scene is just the beginning of the illusion melting away. For instance Shepard is in the rubble at first in the burnt armor, then the rubble disappears and the armor goes back to his casual attire on the Normandy or something as the illusion completely dissipates.

Because frankly, even if he does wake up in London, what good is it? He's still already spent the bulk of the galaxy's military force in a suicidal battle to get the Crucible going. You know, that thing we mostly all agree is a trap. Where's the road to victory if the assault on Earth was really happening? I don't see it happening. The cut off point has to happen before Shepard goes through with that damning plan.


Rio! Posted Image


What, are we just naming random cities?  CHICAGO!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

As said use the color coding of ME1, Reapers/Geth blue while Alliance/Citadel has red markings. Having the alliance to suddenly be blue is a very strange decision they made for the last game...


It may not be for the entire game, but just this scene with the Starchild where it gets reversed. They make it look like control and synthesis are actually good choices then, bam, indoctrinated. 

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magnetite wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

As said use the color coding of ME1, Reapers/Geth blue while Alliance/Citadel has red markings. Having the alliance to suddenly be blue is a very strange decision they made for the last game...


It may not be for the entire game, but just this scene with the Starchild where it gets reversed.

Which is a completely random assumption with nothing to back it up.

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I don't agree that the crucible is a trap...
We only get the breathe scene if Shepard still wants to use the crucible to destroy the reapers...