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[Leonia]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dusen wrote...

After the "no new endings in EC!" then "a new ending in EC!" thing, I just can't take anything they say about it at face value.

If you are referring to the "Refusal" ending, that is not a "new" ending, but a "clarification" of what happened originally if you refused to make one of the three choices : you simply got a line of text and a fade to black. They added to that, simply.

Right, but one minute they're saying it's set in stone and the next they're adding in a technicality. The new comment from Priestly strictly says "no additions or subractions". Seems like the door is closed on clarification. Or is it? Gamble says we haven't heard the half of it in regards to the Reapers' origin. Will we ever? Why such cryptic responses, aren't they done playing games with us yet?

Modifié par leonia42, 04 août 2012 - 06:17 .

[Ithurael]

Dusen wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...
The EC DLC gave both parties what they wanted . . .

Really? . . .

Severly doubtful.

After ME3 vanilla the fanbase seemed divided into 3 parts
- those who loved it
- IT crowed
- Those who hated it

The EC only helped those who hated it a little, improved those who loved it, and attempted to keep the IT crowed interested I suppose.

Chris Priestly's comment seemed pretty indefinite though. Maybe IT is meant for Headcanon? Hoping for an IT future content seems lesss and less like a pipe dream and more like "it's never gonna happen -evar"

We can take bioware's statements at face value, but this identifier - that the EC is the true ending - has been used before. Even Chris stated that the EC - being stated as the true ending - was discussed before and is "old news". We can also just headcanon the entire last minutes of the trilogy. For me that cannot work. I have a wild imagination and a rampant headcanon but I don't think I can headcanon an entire ending to a trilogy lol.

[jgibson14352]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

So, I honestly think that there is still place for IT, it should really not rely on any future content, and anyways it should already suffice to itself with actual content just for the sake of not negating itself with any future disappointment. Being wrapped-up with what is provided now should get the job done. If not, then it's bound to end up in frustration against Bioware.

That's basically what I've been trying (and failing) to say for the last two threads, if the foundation of IT rests on "future content" then it sits on shaky (and potentinally, non-existent) ground. If it exists within what we have already been given and we've just not been clever enough to see it for what it is, then that's far more interesting. If future DLC expands on this, then I can dig it (hell, I'll play all the DLC anyway just to get my dose of ME goodness) but if future DLC is *required* to unravel the plot then I think that's a flawed business model.

As far as I'm concerned, the IT has a mountain of evidence in support of it from existing content. All that would be nice from future content is confirmation, but that may be a pipe dream.

Future content as in an ending where shep gets up from the rubble and finishes off the reapers. that would be nice especially since it was the point of the series - destroy the reapers before they destroy you! But for us ITers, nothing is resolved. Yet we don't gripe about it though we did get kind of left in the dark under london's rubble. But I'll take it and just imagine that somehow shep gets to that beam and the controls and destroys the reapers with no detrimental impacts to the relays or geth or edi or the citadel since the child was lying. I can live with that. My imagination can handle it. I don't need to see it in video to believe and trust it happens.

then youre alone. this is the exact same thing as ordering a soda from McDonalds, getting an empty cup, and being told to just imagine the drink in your head. that is the ultimate middle finger to loyal, hardcore fans.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

So, I honestly think that there is still place for IT, it should really not rely on any future content, and anyways it should already suffice to itself with actual content just for the sake of not negating itself with any future disappointment. Being wrapped-up with what is provided now should get the job done. If not, then it's bound to end up in frustration against Bioware.

That's basically what I've been trying (and failing) to say for the last two threads, if the foundation of IT rests on "future content" then it sits on shaky (and potentinally, non-existent) ground. If it exists within what we have already been given and we've just not been clever enough to see it for what it is, then that's far more interesting. If future DLC expands on this, then I can dig it (hell, I'll play all the DLC anyway just to get my dose of ME goodness) but if future DLC is *required* to unravel the plot then I think that's a flawed business model.

As far as I'm concerned, the IT has a mountain of evidence in support of it from existing content. All that would be nice from future content is confirmation, but that may be a pipe dream.

People. This changes nothing. Why do people make such a big deal from some Dev comments and not others. My vote is we continue to do what we've always done. At least until Leviathan is released? Can everyone do that for me? As for the bolded part: Maybe IT won't get expanded upon, maybe it will. But it kind of is true. The whole "valid possibility" thing kind of confirms that. Plus, if you use the scientific method, then we have more than enough evidence for it to be "true." The scientific version of true that is. Meaning, it could be wrong, but until proven otherwise, it is true. Like gravity. Also, keep in mind he said future DLC will probably expand upon the endings.

[BansheeOwnage]

jgibson14352 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

So, I honestly think that there is still place for IT, it should really not rely on any future content, and anyways it should already suffice to itself with actual content just for the sake of not negating itself with any future disappointment. Being wrapped-up with what is provided now should get the job done. If not, then it's bound to end up in frustration against Bioware.

That's basically what I've been trying (and failing) to say for the last two threads, if the foundation of IT rests on "future content" then it sits on shaky (and potentinally, non-existent) ground. If it exists within what we have already been given and we've just not been clever enough to see it for what it is, then that's far more interesting. If future DLC expands on this, then I can dig it (hell, I'll play all the DLC anyway just to get my dose of ME goodness) but if future DLC is *required* to unravel the plot then I think that's a flawed business model.

As far as I'm concerned, the IT has a mountain of evidence in support of it from existing content. All that would be nice from future content is confirmation, but that may be a pipe dream.

Future content as in an ending where shep gets up from the rubble and finishes off the reapers. that would be nice especially since it was the point of the series - destroy the reapers before they destroy you! But for us ITers, nothing is resolved. Yet we don't gripe about it though we did get kind of left in the dark under london's rubble. But I'll take it and just imagine that somehow shep gets to that beam and the controls and destroys the reapers with no detrimental impacts to the relays or geth or edi or the citadel since the child was lying. I can live with that. My imagination can handle it. I don't need to see it in video to believe and trust it happens.

then youre alone. this is the exact same thing as ordering a soda from McDonalds, getting an empty cup, and being told to just imagine the drink in your head. that is the ultimate middle finger to loyal, hardcore fans.

I completely agree with you only if this is the end result. I for one am here for the duration, and will make up my mind later. I am not a fan of imagining an ending, especially in a game as awesome and in-depth as ME.

[Iconoclaste]

leonia42 wrote...

Right, but one minute they're saying it's set in stone and the next they're adding in a technicality. The new comment from Priestly strictly says "no additions or subractions". Seems like the door is closed on clarification. Or is it? Gamble says we haven't heard the half of it in regards to the Reapers' origin. Will we ever? Why such cryptic responses, aren't they done playing games with us yet?

You cannot infer meaning from Chris Priestley's statement based on Mike Gamble's statement. But you can simply see that Gamble suggests more can be said about the Reaper's origins, and infer that this will not add a new "ending" or this will not open any new speculative door for a possible "new" outcome : there are three outcomes, one is only a delayed outcome from inaction. Details of these three definite outcomes can be added, but this will not create an opening. That's how I read these statements jointly.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 04 août 2012 - 06:29 .

[masster blaster]

Well just to make it clear if Chris, or any Bioware staff, or a mod got orders to lock down IT, they should have done it on the day it was born. Yet they allow us to live, in which case we still have Biowares support, in case, they may need a last gamble, or card for ME3.

The bottem line is that Chris wants us to speculate and that's good enof from me. I have been watching gundam wing and I already found out who I am and what I have to do, so new comers that were lukers I am glad IT has you. And to Smokingotter please come back I need my otter buddy back. Their is no MB withouy my Otter.

And that goes for the rest of us that got to know you. Chris can get mad all we want about this being off topic, but we are a family on this thread and that means we stand by eachother as one.

And I agree that we can't just declare people this and that, and we do need a breaking ground for IT, if we want the new people of BSN, or BSN itsekf to understand the key points of IT. As well as the minor key points of IT.

I don't know what Biowares plans are, but all I know is. So long as we have one Bioware staff member supporting IT. I think we are still alive. But I also think Chris likes IT so much and does not want to be forced to shut down IT because of our speculations, as well as our friendships we have made with one another.

[Leonia]

Iconoclaste wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Right, but one minute they're saying it's set in stone and the next they're adding in a technicality. The new comment from Priestly strictly says "no additions or subractions". Seems like the door is closed on clarification. Or is it? Gamble says we haven't heard the half of it in regards to the Reapers' origin. Will we ever? Why such cryptic responses, aren't they done playing games with us yet?

You cannot infer meaning from Chris Priestley's statement based on Mike Gamble's statement. But you can simply see that Gamble suggests more can be said about the Reaper's origins, and infer that this will not add a new "ending" or this will not open any new speculative door for a possible "new" outcome : there are three outcomes, one is only a delayed outcome from inaction. Details of these three definite outcomes can be added, but this will not create an opening. That's how I read these statements jointly.

Sure, but it's so wishy-washy, they could be more clear on both matters. Can't the devs at least be consistent with one another, let alone with the fans?

[Iconoclaste]

IT has the "Breathe scene", that's all it needs. The story has to be written backwards from there, and not forward into uncertainty.

[Leonia]

And then there are mindless drones like me that will buy anything with Mass Effect on it regardless of the state of the ending. Guess I'm not really helping matters.

"A good turian might question his orders but he knows his place."

Modifié par leonia42, 04 août 2012 - 06:39 .

[masster blaster]

Star. Maybe they are counting on the ones who are at terms with the endings, and the ITers/anyother theory that does not put down Bioware are the ones Bioware is hoping them/us to by Leviathan. And if it's good and it has a major/minor plot twist at the end game, maybe some of the other fans that at ME3, Bioware, and EA will most likely buy the dlc.

[jgibson14352]

 i sent a tweet to mike gamble with a link to Priestly's message asking if this was the entire BioWare teams official stance. whether or not i ever log onto BSN again, download DLC, or even take my ME stuff out of storage hangs in the balance 


so watch him ignore it.

(ill post a link if he responds)

Modifié par jgibson14352, 04 août 2012 - 06:43 .

[Rosewind]

jgibson14352 wrote...

 i sent a tweet to mike gamble with a link to Priestly's message asking if this was the entire BioWare teams official stance. whether or not i ever log onto BSN again, download DLC, or even take my ME stuff out of storage hangs in the balance 


so watch him ignore it.

(ill post a link if he responds)

Oh yeah he will ignore it, but it be intresting if he did answer.

[Leonia]

starlitegirlx wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And then there are mindless drones like me that will buy anything with Mass Effect on it regardless of the state of the ending. Guess I'm not really helping matters.

"A good turian might question his orders but he knows his place."

Not helping matters is irrelevant when you are right. It's the same group that watches mindless tv and movies and thinks they are genius. Sad but true. When did society spiral downward? Or was it always this way and I just didn't notice? Too much tech perhaps? Damn synthetics. They start out as phones and ipods you know.

"All this has happened before and all this will happen again."

Anyway, starting to veer off-topic now, going to go play some MP. Looking forward to what some of the other IT regulars make of the Priestly statement though I think Banshee might have the right of it, until this thread is locked or we are flat out told "Nah, IT is wrong" then there will always be room for speculations for everyone.

[Rosewind]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

 i sent a tweet to mike gamble with a link to Priestly's message asking if this was the entire BioWare teams official stance. whether or not i ever log onto BSN again, download DLC, or even take my ME stuff out of storage hangs in the balance 


so watch him ignore it.

(ill post a link if he responds)

Oh yeah he will ignore it, but it be intresting if he did answer.

 Of course ignore. Is there even a doubt?

If he agreed with chris?

[Iconoclaste]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Backwards? So forget the main mission of destroying the reapers. Just give us proof IT was right? If that's what you mean, i don't need to know what I believe but I sure would like my shep to destroy those reapers for real unless he gained the magical power to destroy them in his mind or it was all a dream and there were never any reapers at all.

Not meaning to be sarcastic toward you but looking at what we're left with as a whole. I'd rather see an ending as I know the proof is already there.

Look at it this way : Bioware didn't go with IT in the original endings, but after seeing the theory shaping up, they might have seen it as an interesting, unforeseen twist that could live as well as any other explanation. Where and when did Shepard wake up? Your call, entirely.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 04 août 2012 - 06:54 .

[masster blaster]

Gamble may not reply back because it will requier alot ot explain, and I think Gamble had a rough day as it is. Telling people that they don't know the half about the Reapers origins, and trying not to say much.

I still wish casey will show his face to everyone on the BSN, or go to one of Bioware/EA avents, but he will get the most backlash I guess. But it would be nice to know, if he has been visiting this thread, or even has been talking to Bioware in general about IT.

[Evebrey]

I've been playing Katawa Shoujo for about 9 hours or so.
Does anyone want to discuss the Female Infiltration Theory?
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Rosewind wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

 i sent a tweet to mike gamble with a link to Priestly's message asking if this was the entire BioWare teams official stance. whether or not i ever log onto BSN again, download DLC, or even take my ME stuff out of storage hangs in the balance 


so watch him ignore it.

(ill post a link if he responds)

Oh yeah he will ignore it, but it be intresting if he did answer.

 Of course ignore. Is there even a doubt?

If he agreed with chris?

Did I miss something? Did someone come out to say something new?

[Kenza]

Evebrey wrote...
Did I miss something? Did someone come out to say something new?

http://social.biowar...x/13492198&lf=8