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[Bill Casey]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm curious: what do the IT "interpretation-only" and "BioWare indoctrinated the audience" folks think about where ME4 is going to go, if it turns into a sequel? Or, are you assuming that the series is effectively over, leaving on a hostile debate among the fans?

ME4 won't be a sequel...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 octobre 2012 - 02:48 .

[spotlessvoid]

Shepard needs to willingly align himself with the Reapers before being able to be ascended as the new Reapers avatar. Synthesis is walking into the beam, aligned with the Reapers. Literally. Just a thought.

[Rifneno]

SwobyJ wrote...

1. cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4974393/mass_effect_3_leviathan_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg

2. Wow... you really missed it?

"Meet me at the bar" -Garrus

"So this is it no? One more push, one last fight" -James
"Not necessarily our last" -Shepard

"Depends on whether you've got the Crucible good to go" -Shepard
"Oh its ready. No idea what it'll do exactly, but its gonna be big"
"Good luck Shepard. If you live through it, drinks are on me." -Kasumi

"If we both come back from this at all, everything... will be different."
"Sure everything will change, but on our terms. We've been running until now Miranda."
"It has to stop." -Shepard
"I understand." -Miranda
"This isn't goodbye. You have to believe we're not done yet." -Shepard
"Listening to you, I can believe it." -Miranda

"I'm ready" -Ashley
"Now lets get it done, and go home." -Shepard
(this one I admit might be too speculative)

1. Okay? What's that got to do with it?
2. I'm talking about Rio in specific.

I'm....concerned about Liara. Even just the fact that she keeps showing up right after each of the crazy-death dreams worries me.

Sigh... Just like it was said earlier... I can't help but think that at least half of ME3 was a giant mislead, and Shepard went right into danger in the worst way . And not just him, but the galaxy.

Time for dawn to shine onto London... but we'll have to wait longer for that.

Liara has some role yet to fulfill. She's wearing iridium plot armor with a Shadow Broker insignia in a series that lets us have our murderous way with most everyone. But I doubt they'll flat out have her revealed to be indoctrinated. She's just too much of a beloved character for her dying or turning to be inevitable.

We never did find our why London. Anderson went on about how there's a disturbing concentration on London from the Reapers and we never get an explanation. They said at the end "at least we know why they're at London now" but we really don't. The final battle happens there because they're there, not the other way around. On the other hand, I can't think of any reason why either. Or any city for that matter. What, are the Reapers just pissed they can't ride that mega Ferris Wheel? ... Actually, I'm surprised it's still around in Mass Effect's time.

Bill Casey wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Right, to deceive the player. Because the Crucible is a trap.

No, that's stupid...

My thoughts exactly on your "we don't need additional content because it's IMPLIED" thing.

[BleedingUranium]

Bill Casey wrote...

HE WAS ALREADY GOING TO DO IT.
THERE'S NO POINT.

I think you're placing too much emphasis on the use of the Crucible as the setting for the indoc attempt. The Crucible is an unknown to Shepard, so the AI/Harbinger is able to pretend it does anything, and comes up with what we have in the decision chamber.

You seem to think it's all about making Shepard not use the Crucible, but you don't have to indoctrinate someone to do that. If all they wanted was to stop Shepard from activating the Crucible, they should have done any of the following:

-Turn off the beam (if it really is a transport beam)
-Send more than Harbinger to defend it (maybe even some ground troops?)
-Actually kill Shepard
-Not leave before making sure he's dead
-etc

This is also not considering that anyone else could have activated the Crucible if it is actually legit, so why bother with just Shepard?

And then this also brings up all the problems with the Crucible being legit, which have been pointed out over the last page or two.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 26 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .

[spotlessvoid]

spotlessvoid wrote...

So, if the beam run isn't real how do we get to the citadel?

Bill?

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I don't get why people over and over try to reinterpret the word Crucible. It's in the story the Alliance named the project like that because for them it's the trial if they can build it. Many cycles didn't even manage to do that. Story wise the Crucible was named by the Alliance, not like the Catalyst which "name" was passed down.
Reinterpreting the name is as if you would say "Spectres are named that way because they are actually specters of the Reapers" it just doesn't make any sense.

You're being too Watsonian. Sure that is all true, but you also have to look at everything from a Doyleist perspective. Why did the writers name it the Crucible?

Because it's the question how well you can build and protect it with the resources you gathered.

[Bill Casey]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Shepard needs to willingly align himself with the Reapers before being able to be ascended as the new Reapers avatar. Synthesis is walking into the beam, aligned with the Reapers. Literally. Just a thought.

I've actually thought about that...
With control as grabbing the structure while believing, and destroy as shooting the structure...

And sitting with Anderson as sitting with that dead guy by the circular thing...


And that's... fair enough...
I don't think that's happening at all, though...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 octobre 2012 - 02:56 .

[MegumiAzusa]

SwobyJ wrote...

But by the way, the Alliance had the Mars stuff for some time.

Humans are idiots.

[AresKeith]

The Crucible should do something like this http://social.biowar.../index/13721326

[Bill Casey]

spotlessvoid wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

So, if the beam run isn't real how do we get to the citadel?

Bill?

Use the beam?

[BleedingUranium]

@Rif

The whole talk about London, to me, is clear forshadowing that the beam is a trap.

-Cerberus (Reapers by proxy) tries to take the Citadel
-Right after, the Reapers start something big in London
-Later, the Reapers take the Citadel, and connect it to the beam structure in London

The Reapers were planning this all along.

[spotlessvoid]

Bill Casey wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

So, if the beam run isn't real how do we get to the citadel?

Bill?

Use the beam?

Why wouldn't the Reapers just turn it off?

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

So, if the beam run isn't real how do we get to the citadel?

Bill?

Use the beam?

Why wouldn't the Reapers just turn it off?

I made a post about this partway up the page ^

[PsiMatrix]

401 Kill wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Cool! what is the inverted color of the blue explosion and green one?

Synthesis and Control are both red actually. Inverted, they look like oily shadows. 

That's... Interesting. That coupled with the "sour yellow" colered desicion chamber, makes the inverted sequence seem an awfully like what the Rachni queen was describing as her indoctrination experience. What was it the Rachni queen experienced during her ME3 experience? Her children going crazy because they didn't hear the queens song?

In the first one they went insane because they didn't hear anything from the Queen. In 3 they were simply harvested and cannibalised for artillery units.


Just finished another playthrough of ME1. Convinced Saren to shoot himself and then as his body is control assumed by Sovereign; a familair black aura appears around everyone

Also: Sovereign turns a different colour when he's hooked up to the Citadel tower:

Yep, he's blue.

[Rifneno]

The Crucible could just Rickroll every frequency in the Milky Way. Doesn't matter what it does if it doesn't do what Shepard thinks it does -- destroy the Reapers. They're not indoctrinating Shepard because they want to keep him away from the Crucible, they're indoctrinating him because they want his awesomeness to make some awesome Soylent Green for another Reaper. The Crucible can be BS in lots of ways and they'd still want to indoctrinate Shepard. There's tons of theories on what it really does. For instance that it's the new "Reaper womb" since Shepard blew up the last one, or that it's a device to send them back to dark space when this is all finished.

[Rifneno]

PsiMatrix wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Cool! what is the inverted color of the blue explosion and green one?

Synthesis and Control are both red actually. Inverted, they look like oily shadows. 

That's... Interesting. That coupled with the "sour yellow" colered desicion chamber, makes the inverted sequence seem an awfully like what the Rachni queen was describing as her indoctrination experience. What was it the Rachni queen experienced during her ME3 experience? Her children going crazy because they didn't hear the queens song?

In the first one they went insane because they didn't hear anything from the Queen. In 3 they were simply harvested and cannibalised for artillery units.


Just finished another playthrough of ME1. Convinced Saren to shoot himself and then as his body is control assumed by Sovereign; a familair black aura appears around everyone

Also: Sovereign turns a different colour when he's hooked up to the Citadel tower:

Yep, he's blue.

He picked control.  And what happened to him?  Lulz.

[shepskisaac]

BleedingUranium wrote...

@Rif

The whole talk about London, to me, is clear forshadowing that the beam is a trap.

-Cerberus (Reapers by proxy) tries to take the Citadel
-Right after, the Reapers start something big in London
-Later, the Reapers take the Citadel, and connect it to the beam structure in London

The Reapers were planning this all along.

Reapers would've taken the Citadel regardless of Shep, they need it to build the new Human Reaper.

[spotlessvoid]

Yeah, it's not like a giant space battery, if that's all it is, wouldn't be useful to the Reapers. Thanks for building it suckas!


Re the Beam still being on:
They want it on. We know what that implies.

They can't turn it off. Yeah....

Harbinger "How do I turn this off!"
Reaper 1 "press menu, select, then hit-"
Harbinger "how the hell-what's the sleep timer?
Reaper 2 "Hit exit, then menu, select-no, not stb, select. No-"
Harbinger"****! Shepards here!"

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 26 octobre 2012 - 03:14 .