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[BleedingUranium]

Arashi08 wrote...


I know this has probably been talked about to death already but I was thinking about this so I thought I'd share it.

I was gonna suggest that maybe the Crucible is part of the cycles, since according to Leviathan the cycles always end with the birth of a Reaper, and that maybe the reason here is no Prothean Reaper was because they failed to finish it and the fact that the control ending seems to suggest that Shepard does become a Reaper and that they are building a Reaper inside the Citadel.

However, I am less inclined to believe this now because of the existence of Synthesis and Destroy, unless they are arguing that everyone before Shepard always picked Control and Synthesis. plus, i don't think it is implied that they are creating a Reaper until you are supposedly on the citadel, which according to IT (or some forms of IT) is only occuring in a hallucination.

Still, I always wondered if maybe the Crucible was the means by which a Reaper was finished, by introducing a powerful individual with strong will to become the dominant will within the collective Reaper consciousness. But going over the evidence it does seem less likely to me.

Well, given that Anderson is just part of Shepard's mind, it's just Shepard realising that's what they could be doing. It's like

***THE DARK KNIGHT RISES SPOILERS***

When the vision of Ducard appears in front of Bruce Wayne and reveals he was the mercenary being talked about, then fades away. Since he was dead, he obviously wasn't really there, that was just Bruce realising Ducard was the Mercenary.

***END SPOILERS***

[shepskisaac]

SwobyJ wrote...

If ME is to expand, I don't think it will be as an MMO (at least not yet).

We have a universe to explore.

Sequel is the way to go IMO. Jump few thousands years, have a new trilogy with customizable player character etc. Then they can start doing prequels, spin-offs etc. But more of 'what happens next' is what this franchise needs right now IMO.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

TIM is a derelict Reaper.

The Reapers are innocent.


That's what's new

@Arashi Nice new avatar.

[spotlessvoid]

Plus, if the end is a hallucination we have no idea if the 3 options actually exist Arashi

[spotlessvoid]

Banshee....it's a real thread. Just check. Actually, don't.

[AresKeith]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

TIM is a derelict Reaper.

The Reapers are innocent.


That's what's new

@Arashi Nice new avatar.

They just wanna be friends and save us

[BleedingUranium]

IsaacShep wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

If ME is to expand, I don't think it will be as an MMO (at least not yet).

We have a universe to explore.

Sequel is the way to go IMO. Jump few thousands years, have a new trilogy with customizable player character etc. Then they can start doing prequels, spin-offs etc. But more of 'what happens next' is what this franchise needs right now IMO.

No. I like Mass Effect because I care about the characters.

I've always hated when series go that far in the future. "Everyone you know and love, they all died. Also, there are a bunch of new conflicts, some of which will make things you did way back when useless."

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Hackett: And I don't care what he thinks he's proven. There's only one way we defeat the Reapers: no more Reapers.

Shep: But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?

Hackett: That's like trying to tame a shark: somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it would be the whole galaxy. He's the worst possible person to give that kind of power to.

Awesome, thanks!

Aren't we missing something before this though?

IIRC, Shepard starts by saying: What if the Illusive Man is right? What if the Reapers can be controlled?

After that, we're missing something, I think. And then comes what you posted.

Can't remember what's exactly before that; it's so hard to find Hackett conversations on youtube. But I seem to remember there were 3 really good really obvious Hackett quotes relating to destroy.

1. No more reapers! (This one.)
2. He's wrong. Dead reapers are how we win this. (I love this one!)
3. ???

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


I know this has probably been talked about to death already but I was thinking about this so I thought I'd share it.

I was gonna suggest that maybe the Crucible is part of the cycles, since according to Leviathan the cycles always end with the birth of a Reaper, and that maybe the reason here is no Prothean Reaper was because they failed to finish it and the fact that the control ending seems to suggest that Shepard does become a Reaper and that they are building a Reaper inside the Citadel.

However, I am less inclined to believe this now because of the existence of Synthesis and Destroy, unless they are arguing that everyone before Shepard always picked Control and Synthesis. plus, i don't think it is implied that they are creating a Reaper until you are supposedly on the citadel, which according to IT (or some forms of IT) is only occuring in a hallucination.

Still, I always wondered if maybe the Crucible was the means by which a Reaper was finished, by introducing a powerful individual with strong will to become the dominant will within the collective Reaper consciousness. But going over the evidence it does seem less likely to me.

Well, given that Anderson is just part of Shepard's mind, it's just Shepard realising that's what they could be doing. It's like

***THE DARK KNIGHT RISES SPOILERS***

When the vision of Ducard appears in front of Bruce Wayne and reveals he was the mercenary being talked about, then fades away. Since he was dead, he obviously wasn't really there, that was just Bruce realising Ducard was the Mercenary.

***END SPOILERS***

Organics are beyond saving and must be aloud to die!

[shepskisaac]

BleedingUranium wrote...

No. I like Mass Effect because I care about the characters.

I've always hated when series go that far in the future. "Everyone you know and love, they all died. Also, there are a bunch of new conflicts, some of which will make things you did way back when useless."

Well, EVERYONE will die at some point. It may not be the best example (since it's a prequel) but does anyone mind that KOTOR franchise doesn't have the beloved characters from the original Star Wars trilogy? No. New characters are loved too and people enjoy new adventures in the universe. Characters are not everything.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Banshee....it's a real thread. Just check. Actually, don't.

Lol good idea. Though, I actually meant to highlight the Harbinger purring one.  I want a pet Harbinger now!

[BleedingUranium]

IsaacShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

No. I like Mass Effect because I care about the characters.

I've always hated when series go that far in the future. "Everyone you know and love, they all died. Also, there are a bunch of new conflicts, some of which will make things you did way back when useless."

Well, EVERYONE will die at some point. It may not be the best example (since it's a prequel) but does anyone mind that KOTOR franchise doesn't have the beloved characters from the original Star Wars trilogy? No. New characters are loved too and people enjoy new adventures in the universe. Characters are not everything.

I was specifically thinking about Star Wars when I wrote that. And yes, everyone dies, but in a fictional universe having everyone die of old age is just... so lame.

[BansheeOwnage]

IsaacShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

No. I like Mass Effect because I care about the characters.

I've always hated when series go that far in the future. "Everyone you know and love, they all died. Also, there are a bunch of new conflicts, some of which will make things you did way back when useless."

Well, EVERYONE will die at some point. It may not be the best example (since it's a prequel) but does anyone mind that KOTOR franchise doesn't have the beloved characters from the original Star Wars trilogy? No. New characters are loved too and people enjoy new adventures in the universe. Characters are not everything.

No, you're right, they aren't everything. But you can't deny ME is loved primarily for its characters. I think Blur is just saying if it goes that far into the future, it might as well be a different franchise.

Also.

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

If ME is to expand, I don't think it will be as an MMO (at least not yet).

We have a universe to explore.

Sequel is the way to go IMO. Jump few thousands years, have a new trilogy with customizable player character etc. Then they can start doing prequels, spin-offs etc. But more of 'what happens next' is what this franchise needs right now IMO.

No. I like Mass Effect because I care about the characters.

I've always hated when series go that far in the future. "Everyone you know and love, they all died. Also, there are a bunch of new conflicts, some of which will make things you did way back when useless."

Well Bioware peeps did say they don't know how far in the future they'd want to make it..

Actually they said they aren't sure when it's set at all.

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

No. I like Mass Effect because I care about the characters.

I've always hated when series go that far in the future. "Everyone you know and love, they all died. Also, there are a bunch of new conflicts, some of which will make things you did way back when useless."

Well, EVERYONE will die at some point. It may not be the best example (since it's a prequel) but does anyone mind that KOTOR franchise doesn't have the beloved characters from the original Star Wars trilogy? No. New characters are loved too and people enjoy new adventures in the universe. Characters are not everything.

I was specifically thinking about Star Wars when I wrote that. And yes, everyone dies, but in a fictional universe having everyone die of old age is just... so lame.

You don't know how they might die.

Does it really matter if they died hundreds of years ago? We'll hear story after story of how our squad died? Great.

[Humakt83]

Finally made the thread about it:

Join the Reapers Shepard!

[Arashi08]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...


I know this has probably been talked about to death already but I was thinking about this so I thought I'd share it.

I was gonna suggest that maybe the Crucible is part of the cycles, since according to Leviathan the cycles always end with the birth of a Reaper, and that maybe the reason here is no Prothean Reaper was because they failed to finish it and the fact that the control ending seems to suggest that Shepard does become a Reaper and that they are building a Reaper inside the Citadel.

However, I am less inclined to believe this now because of the existence of Synthesis and Destroy, unless they are arguing that everyone before Shepard always picked Control and Synthesis. plus, i don't think it is implied that they are creating a Reaper until you are supposedly on the citadel, which according to IT (or some forms of IT) is only occuring in a hallucination.

Still, I always wondered if maybe the Crucible was the means by which a Reaper was finished, by introducing a powerful individual with strong will to become the dominant will within the collective Reaper consciousness. But going over the evidence it does seem less likely to me.

Well, given that Anderson is just part of Shepard's mind, it's just Shepard realising that's what they could be doing. It's like

***THE DARK KNIGHT RISES SPOILERS***

When the vision of Ducard appears in front of Bruce Wayne and reveals he was the mercenary being talked about, then fades away. Since he was dead, he obviously wasn't really there, that was just Bruce realising Ducard was the Mercenary.

***END SPOILERS***

Indeed, IT does open up a wide variety of possibilities, dare I say the "variety" of endings that BioWare promised?

@Banshee Thx!   It has remained unique to me so far, which is awesome!  (At least on this thread anyway )

[AresKeith]

Bioware already knows many people don't want a prequel, the only thing they can do is a sequel or spin-off

[CmdrShep80]

Hrothdane wrote...

What did Fabrice mean when he said that the new protagonist won't "resemble" Shepard since Shepard is customizable and developed via player choice?

LOL I said something about this saying that I bet lots of people will make their character resemble Shepard and name him/her Shepard

EDIT - YAY I reached this page from I think 10 pages ago  and just now found out I'm on top hehe

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