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[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Andromidius wrote...

One thing I never noticed about the scene with Starchild/Starbinger.

They are both echoing. How can you echo in an open space with very little to bounce from?

Answer: Because they aren't in the open. They are inside. Inside Shepard's mind.

Remember the dreams? They echo too.

Very true. Not to mention the voice overlays for Starbrat. How do you know someone is messing with your head? When they are using your image or a part of you against you. 

For Star Wars fans out there this is just like when Luke went into the creepy cave on Dagobah and fought "Darth Vader". When the face inside the helmet was revealed to be Luke's, it represented him falling to the dark side. What he would become.

Starbrat has wayyy more subtlety. Not only does it rip the image of a boy from Shepard's memories dreams (if tha tboy was real. If he was fake then this should be taken as the individual who has been undermining Shepard's will, but that's a whole other debate..), use Shep's voice, but he also makes direct refrences to his allies and even Shepard's own implants, which had earlier caused Shep to question if he is even alive...

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Mac Walters is the lead writer for ME3. And he became lead writer at Arrival. Before that he was a character writer.

Now. Arrival - shepard's story.
ME3 - shepard's story (they repeatedly said it was)
Arrival + ME3 - shepard's story - LeaD writer for both - Mac Walters - former character writer.

Which chars did he write?

[Eryri]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Mac Walters is the lead writer for ME3. And he became lead writer at Arrival. Before that he was a character writer.

Now. Arrival - shepard's story.
ME3 - shepard's story (they repeatedly said it was)
Arrival + ME3 - shepard's story - LeaD writer for both - Mac Walters - former character writer.

Which chars did he write?

I read somewhere that he wrote for Garrus. Not sure though.

[CmdrShep80]

 So what if Arrival wasn't about the Alpha relay?  Hearing that makes it suspicious to me because the Alpha relay should be the citadel. The citadel is supposed to connect to every mass relay in the galaxy not just to 16 other relays.

The other problem is the indoctrination piece. Why destroy a relay if you're indoctrinated?  Wouldn't you as indoctrination proceeds subtly cause you not to do so yet the project was completed all the way up to pushing a button.

I'm kind of wondering if this was all about destroying Object Rho by smashing it onto a mass relay?  Do we know what exactly is Object Rho?  Since seeing the Leviathans in ME 3, would there be any connections here?

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 26 octobre 2012 - 01:09 .

[CmdrShep80]

Out of Post Edit - yay two more pages to 1600. I know when I get home it'll be on page 1610 so I'm celebrating early lol

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

 So what if Arrival wasn't about the Alpha relay?  Hearing that makes it suspicious to me because the Alpha relay should be the citadel. The citadel is supposed to connect to every mass relay in the galaxy not just to 16 other relays.

The other problem is the indoctrination piece. Why destroy a relay if you're indoctrinated?  Wouldn't you as indoctrination proceeds subtly cause you not to do so yet the project was completed all the way up to pushing a button.

I'm kind of wondering if this was all about destroying Object Rho by smashing it onto a mass relay?  Do we know what exactly is Object Rho?  Since seeing the Leviathans in ME 3, would there be any connections here?

Hmm, Object Rho does not look like a Leviathan  artifact.

As for why the project was completed: The Indoctrination took place even as they worked on the Project making them start to question the Project, but not enough to halt it. It was not until it was time to fire the Project the doubt really set in and they hit their breaking point, that is at least the way I see it.

[Ytook]

I always thought Arrival was a bit odd, with the Alpha relay suddenly becoming important. I thought it might be the Reapers just trying to start a war before they invade, if you look at the reaper invasions we know about there is always a large conflict within the galaxy at it's peak just before the reapers arrive so the galaxy is already weakened and distracted. Arrival was an elaborate trick to throw the Batarian Hegemony and Human Alliance into a war with each other and distance the Alliance from the Council, while also isolating Shepard from his/her allies and possibly (hopefully) begin his/her gradual indoctrination, or at least reinforce it.

Just to be clear I don't think this is definitely the way that Arrival was meant to be taken or seen, and I don't think that Arrival or anything like this will be elaborated on, but it's my head cannon 'if I was making it' explanation.

[paxxton]

Eryri wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Mac Walters is the lead writer for ME3. And he became lead writer at Arrival. Before that he was a character writer.

Now. Arrival - shepard's story.
ME3 - shepard's story (they repeatedly said it was)
Arrival + ME3 - shepard's story - LeaD writer for both - Mac Walters - former character writer.

Which chars did he write?

I read somewhere that he wrote for Garrus. Not sure though.

I've read that he wrote Garrus and Wrex.

[Davik Kang]

 Yo I wanna get through all the new stuff in the last 48 hours but so far I'm only up to 1593.

Some quick thoughts, will come back properly later or tomorrow...

spotless and others have brought up some really silly stuff in Priority:Earth.  Like no-one except humans charging the beam (though there are special forces of multiple races at the sides, trying to take out the beam guardian for example).  Really seems like P:E is a process of mental degradation for Shepard.  Because of this, the 'dream' could start almost anywhere.  The end parts become more and more dreamlike, and this could mean that the Citadel is a total dream, or that the Citadel happening but is a total mess of memories making it appear nothing like what we've seen before.

If the Citadel is real, it seems likely that it's actually happening in the Council area on the Presidium where so many iconic moments happen in the trilogy.  If not, it is built on the memories of such events.  The 1M1 thing is a good indication of this.  Anyone notice how 1M1 things look like rifles on the stairwell btw?  (Might be nothing).

About Liara being there after the dreams... at first I thought this looked bad for Liara.  But notice that she's coming to you as you wake up.  So it could be that Liara has the opposite effect of indoctrination - a calming presence allowing you to come back to the real world.  At least we don't necessarily need to write her off just yet.

About Shepard shooting herself - it's not something I can demonstrate, it just followed from the fact that Saren adn TIM can be made to shoot themselves if they realise they are being indoctrinated.  One of the datapads also shows that one person found the only way to avoid the beam/indoctrination was to commit suicide (do we know 100% that it was referring to the beam btw?  Afaik it just said "that place" or something).  

Shooting the tube is the only violent way to end the game, and if the Chamber is Shepard's mind, it could be seen as a similar realisation Shepard undergoes as the other characters who killed themselves.  But it's highly speculative of course.  However if Casey and co. did decide that Sheo would kill herself at the end, it does make sense for them to sugarcoat it so that we'd never actually see it.

Personally I hope Shep did not shoot herself, and that the Citadel beam is genuine.

About Synthesis, I'm still convinced that the Synthesis ending is the Matrix and that it's basically a dream connecting all life, while in reality everyone's harvested.  The blue electro-leaves and green light emanating from everybody is the clue imo.  I think clevernoob stumbled across it without realising, but the leaves in the Synth ending are called Dream Foliage I think, which backs this up even more.

(clevernoob vids suck btw, I am really pleased I found you guys first, you actually make sense)

[CmdrShep80]

Does anyone know in ME2 if the place where you put your model ships in turns into a giant screen in any other ME 2 scenes besides arrival? I just noticed this. I'll eventually have to rewatch the rest of arrival later

[CmdrShep80]

@davik. I know what you mean. By the time you read this I'll probably be in your shoes doing the same thing

[Kel Riever]

The goal, here, is to make this the longest thread that exists on BSN, right? That is the goal, yeah?

[demersel]

What we really forget here is Lair of Shadow broker.
See - those two were promoted as major bringing DLC - ones that would provide an insight into ME3's story that is yet to come. (at the time of their release) so -

Arrival's indirect implications -
- Possible start point for Shepard's indoctrination
- ME3 ending might be inside Shepard's mind and not happening for real
- Hackett is possibly indoctrinated and leading combined fleet of the galaxy into a trap
- Crucible and earth is a trap.
- All Shepard's action throughout whole of ME3 actually might play right into Reaper's hands.

Now, before i list the implications by the LotSB

Let's list Overlord's (which is actually the firts of ME2 bridging DLCs, and yet people seem to overlook that fact)

- Overlord's technology is used directly by the reapers to control the geth in ME3.
- In addition, Cerberus now in ME3 seems to be in full alignment with the reapers goals, as opposed to directly fighting them in ME2.
- in the end of ME3 we get a synthesis option - which is really like the thing they did in project Overlord.

Now.
Lair of the Shadow Broker.
- Liara is the new shadow broker.

That is it, right now.
And this is the most liked and story rich DLC out of all of them.
Doesn't that strike you as odd?

Let's list what we DO know about LotSB, and some of it's conciquences.

- Liara is the new Shadow Broker, and Normandy is the new Shadow Broker's ship.
- The actual person being shadow broker is not relevant - it is the RIG that matters.
- In ME1 Barla Von tells us that Shadow Broker mystery is really not that simple as it might look - It has been around longer than any known spiecies life span, so it can't be the same person, but at the same time the patterns on which shadow broker operates (keeping thing at level somehow) - always stays the same which implies single mind and character behind it.
- Glyph. Glyph is the common element with all the shadow brokers. Glyph is the one that finds the plans for the Crucible in mars archives, Glyph is the one thing that survives this cycle for sure - liara implants him in all of her timecapsules. Glyph can be of any appearance. The drell you save from shadow broker, friend of liara hates glyph's guts. In ME3 Glyph actually talks with you as much as liara does. And he is always to talk firts. (very seldom some anyone in ME3 reacts to sheparsd's presence, or even achknowledges it - hence the abundunce of conversation overheard - you even get most of your quests this way - Glyph does it ALL the time.)

- In ME2 Illusive man was in direct confrontation with the shadow broker. You know who else he was in the direct confrontation with? Harbinger's team. Shadow broker is known to have made deals with the collectors, although they are presented more like uneasy partnersips.

So the real question - what is up with the shadow broker (Glyph)? Which side does he represent? Is it another front for Harbinger? Is it a pet project of another reaper? Is the monitoring station of the leviathans? Is a representative for some other force, we have not yet encountered?


Leviathan:
- Now, even after his destruction, Sovereign is still busy - one thing we know he does is push the search for the levithan forward. Perhaps he's still trying to figure out what went wrong, in this cycle besides protheans screwing up the signal - he's investigating Krogan rebellions and rachni wars before them - Both of which aimed to conquer Relay Network space and the Citadel, and possibly destroy them - (rachi were know for closing down all relays to the teritories they've taken over) - so since we know that Realy Network Space is basicly Rea[er's back yard/garden - all those thing could possibly ultimately be aiming at tking control of those territories away from the reapers - that is why leviathans were suspected.


All said above point out the fact - that reapers in fact DO have roles and different roles. (which we knew they did, since we know that it was sovereings job to send the signal to let all the other reapers in, but somehow we tend to forget that fact)

And the question remains - what part in ME3 event's Lair of the Shadow Broker REALLY plays? 

Modifié par demersel, 26 octobre 2012 - 01:58 .

[demersel]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Does anyone know in ME2 if the place where you put your model ships in turns into a giant screen in any other ME 2 scenes besides arrival? I just noticed this. I'll eventually have to rewatch the rest of arrival later

WOW GREAT CATCH!!! And it is the first time ever we see Hackett's face!!! 
How can this actually be?? How can it be a screen in the firts place?? there are models of the ship all ofer that space!

[Eryri]

paxxton wrote...

Eryri wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Mac Walters is the lead writer for ME3. And he became lead writer at Arrival. Before that he was a character writer.

Now. Arrival - shepard's story.
ME3 - shepard's story (they repeatedly said it was)
Arrival + ME3 - shepard's story - LeaD writer for both - Mac Walters - former character writer.

Which chars did he write?

I read somewhere that he wrote for Garrus. Not sure though.

I've read that he wrote Garrus and Wrex.

Two of my favourite characters. Proves that Mac really can write when he wants to.

[demersel]

Guys!!! When Shepard talks to hackett in Arrivall - he is alone! And it happens AFTER he had whatever they did to him there done to him!
And Hackett never explains how is it that he is suddenly on the Normandy! He says that he is not so sure that this is a Cerberus ship any more...as if the ship ownage already switched hands. (and it can happen in the middle of ME2 - So really, Miranda has nothing to say about allince admiral suddenly boarding Normandy?)

For all we know sheoard could be imagening Hackett in that scene. Or something might be presenting it to shepard as Hackett (after all shepard has just had a conversation with a giant Shining image of Harbinger appearing in pure vacuum of space out of nowhere - i say everything is fair game after that)

Modifié par demersel, 26 octobre 2012 - 02:11 .