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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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It fits! So the true villian after all was in fact the Space Hamster!!! )))))

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demersel wrote...

Let's list Overlord's (which is actually the firts of ME2 bridging DLCs, and yet people seem to overlook that fact)

No, it's not meant to be a bridging DLC. It is meant to be about Cerberus, to see that it isn't the benevolent organization we're made to believe it is in ME2. You can see that if you just look at the naming.
Overlord: DLC_UNC_Pack01
LotSB: DLC_EXP_Part01
Arrival: DLC_EXP_Part02

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demersel wrote...

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Does anyone know in ME2 if the place where you put your model ships in turns into a giant screen in any other ME 2 scenes besides arrival? I just noticed this. I'll eventually have to rewatch the rest of arrival later


WOW GREAT CATCH!!! And it is the first time ever we see Hackett's face!!! 
How can this actually be?? How can it be a screen in the firts place?? there are models of the ship all ofer that space!

Easy answer: science.

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demersel wrote...

It fits! So the true villian after all was in fact the Space Hamster!!! )))))



hehehe

Regarding Hackett, if I'm right, it just shows that the galaxy is absolutely full of competing interests throughout every cycle. There's no true hero here, and even Shepard can fall.

Alliance and Hackett may be the good guys now, but that doesn't mean Hackett isn't compromised to the degree that he thinks that he'll destroy all the Reapers with a foolhardy Crucible plan and then take control of the galactic situation before the dust settles.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

Let's list Overlord's (which is actually the firts of ME2 bridging DLCs, and yet people seem to overlook that fact)

No, it's not meant to be a bridging DLC. It is meant to be about Cerberus, to see that it isn't the benevolent organization we're made to believe it is in ME2. You can see that if you just look at the naming.
Overlord: DLC_UNC_Pack01
LotSB: DLC_EXP_Part01
Arrival: DLC_EXP_Part02


And you're right. LotSB is make to be done any time, but it better fits for post-game, and Arrival is 'allowed' to be at any time, but it is MUCH better placed as post-game.

Overlord is just 'do whenever'. Narratively, it has the same impact as Jack's Loyalty Mission, for example. Just a way to show CERBERUS COMPLICATED, BAD EXPERIMENTS, BOOO.

It's larger significance not to be realized until ME3, maybe. :whistle:

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Does anyone know in ME2 if the place where you put your model ships in turns into a giant screen in any other ME 2 scenes besides arrival? I just noticed this. I'll eventually have to rewatch the rest of arrival later


WOW GREAT CATCH!!! And it is the first time ever we see Hackett's face!!! 
How can this actually be?? How can it be a screen in the firts place?? there are models of the ship all ofer that space!

Easy answer: science.


Pretty much, they are using widespread holographic technology in Mass Effect, so projecting a screen unto a ship colection glass case should be easy.

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A man who we have never seen, but who we trust, contacts us on a screen we have never used before or even knew was there (in a state of the art stealth ship build by a faction that is the enemy of that man who we trust but have never seen) - and ask us for a personal favour - perform a black ops that can cause a galaxy war, and that we must do this mission alone. The mission turnes out to be a trap by the reapers, results in shepard getting captured and having thing done to him for more that two days by the people directly controlled by harbinger - then for some reason we wake up, escape, kill everybody, destroy the facility and an entire system, But not before having a conversation with Harbinger right in the middle of space with out any equipment whatsoever. Then on the normandy, that said man, who we have never seen before but who we trust, suddenly drops a visit - (on a black ops stealth ship, by a terrorict organisation that is declared an enemy of the allince - the faction that this man who we have never seen, but who we trust, is from). Hm.... Sounds legit.

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demersel wrote...

A man who we have never seen, but who we trust, contacts us on a screen we have never used before or even knew was there (in a ship build by a faction that is the enemy of that man who we trust but have never seen) - and ask us for a personal favour - perform a black ops that can cause a galaxy war, and that we must do this mission alone. The mission turnes out to be a trap by the reapers, results in shepard getting captured and having thing done to him for more that two days by the people directly controlled by harbinger - then for some reason we wake up, escape, kill everybody, destroy the facility and an entire system, But not before having a conversation with Harbinger right in the middle of space with out any equipment whatsoever. Then on the normandy, that said man, who we have never seen before but who we trust, suddenly drops a visit - (on a black ops stealth ship, by a terrorict organisation that is declared an enemy of the allince - the faction that this man who we have never seen, but who we trust, is from). Hm.... Sounds legit.


I...really think Hackett is there. Still. So far.

It might only show how close the ties are between Cerberus and the Alliance, behind the scenes. Lines from Hackett in ME2 also support this.

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Had a quick glance over the recent posts, will reply asap...

before I go, just one more thing... Vendetta. It says that it hid the information about the Citadel being the Catalyst to protect the Citadel... but the result is the exact opposite. In the time we spent chasing Vendetta to the Base, the Reapers managed to overrun it AND bring it all the way to Sol - no mean feat right?

Hiding this information helped the Reapers. It just meant we didn't protect the Citadel as much as we needed to. And in the meantime the Reapers have brought it to Earth for the Harvest. Which presumably they were always going to do.

There are questions you can ask Bailey about whether the Citadel is adequately protected, but they don't lead very far unfortunately.

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You can also see Anderson having dealings with Cerberus, now is he too indoctrinated since ME2?

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I...really think Hackett is there. Still. So far.

It might only show how close the ties are between Cerberus and the Alliance, behind the scenes. Lines from Hackett in ME2 also support this.


And i only touched the events of Arrival. There are tons of stuff weird about hackett in ME3.

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You can also see Anderson having dealings with Cerberus, now is he too indoctrinated since ME2?


Actually, I wasn't saying Hackett was indoctrinated with that info.

Only that Alliance doesn't necessarily = good.

And my previous speculation about Cerberus may lead to Cerberus not necessarily being = bad.

The narrative takes us from place to place, but it doesn't mean any of the factions we work for are outright pure and good in intent.

Alliance --> Council --> Cerberus --> Alliance --> ?

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SwobyJ wrote...

Alliance --> Council --> Cerberus --> Alliance --> ?


By the end of ME3 we don't actually need Allince or whatever - let's go down the roster:
If all thing are swell,
- We're best pals with Wrex, and he is the leader of ALL the Krogan race.
- All Rachi love us. 
- We're a mentor and inspiration/ to Grunt and he's yet to be leader of All krogan Race.
- Liara is our gruppie/stalker/obsessed fan - and she basicly runs the whole galaxy
- Garrus is our bro, and even the new Turian primarch kind of looks up to him by that point (and he hints that he is not actually that far down the line himself)
- Not to mention that primarch Victus himself is more like a personal friend. 
- Tali - or second gruppie - and she's really on her way of becoming the Leader of all Quarinas. 
- All geth are basicly Legion, and he's been our secret santa since eden prime. i'm guessing it can only progress:whistle:
- Dalatress hates us, but the STG really on our side. 
- Aria - the leader of all galaxy crime is our bro.
- Zaeed - he founder of and soon be leader again of Blue Suns - he's our bro. 

Those are just some of them. 


Now imagine that in next game shepard and ALL of his squadmates are indoctrinated! Look at those people and their positions! This is bigger than allience. Bigger than council. 

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So what did I miss? Anything new? Anything relevant since around noon yesterday?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

You can also see Anderson having dealings with Cerberus, now is he too indoctrinated since ME2?


When does this happen?I must have missed it.

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When does this happen?I must have missed it.


In Lair of Shadow Broker there is a vid of it. 

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It's obvious we're in dire need of new material.

Lately, speculations have been going off the deep end, if you ask me.

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By the way if anyone is looking for something in the cutscenes, this person did a great job recording all the cutscenes so you can hunt down the section you need instead of wading through all the game play.  Though you'll still have to wade through the cutscenes.

Cutscenes


Thanks for this.

Incredible as it may seem, though, the cutscene with Hackett saying that trying to control the Reapers would be like trying to tame a shark, isn't in there. I've checked everything from before sanctuary up until Priority: Earth, and it's not there.

The reason is probably that it gets overlooked because it's an entirely optional conversation, that you can only have when you just so happen to walk into the Comm room in between missions.

I'm sure it's either right before Sanctuary or right before Cronos station, but it's not in these vids.

I really need the exact Hackett quote.

The worst thing is that I actually posted the exact quote before in one of the IT threads, but I can't find it anymore, and it doesn't show up in Google results.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You can also see Anderson having dealings with Cerberus, now is he too indoctrinated since ME2?


When does this happen?I must have missed it.


Shadow Broker vids, you see Anderson meeting with a unspecified Cerberus member.

However without knowing what they talked about there is no way of knowing the connection.

In fact the Cerberus member seems to be looking around nervously at the start of the clip, possibly he is a mole Anderson has placed in Cerberus delivering a report?

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

It's obvious we're in dire need of new material.

Lately, speculations have been going off the deep end, if you ask me.


When there is no new info - all you can really do is change the angles at which you look at what you have - and see if anything starts to click. Nothing really surprising in that. I just don't understand why everyone here is so negative about it. 

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demersel wrote...

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When does this happen?I must have missed it.


In Lair of Shadow Broker there is a vid of it. 


TBH if its a person with Cerberus outfit on the Citadel, its more likely a mole Anderson has in Cerberus.. just saying.

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SwobyJ wrote...

demersel wrote...

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When does this happen?I must have missed it.


In Lair of Shadow Broker there is a vid of it.


TBH if its a person with Cerberus outfit on the Citadel, its more likely a mole Anderson has in Cerberus.. just saying.

No sane person, mole or not, would wear its Cerby outfit on the Citadel. It was made so we know it was a Cerby guy.

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demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

It's obvious we're in dire need of new material.

Lately, speculations have been going off the deep end, if you ask me.


When there is no new info - all you can really do is change the angles at which you look at what you have - and see if anything starts to click. Nothing really surprising in that. I just don't understand why everyone here is so negative about it. 

Because TIM is not a Reaper. In ME2 the camera is stationed in his office and we see him in person multiple times. Miranda is real too and she met him too.

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demersel wrote...

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It's obvious we're in dire need of new material.

Lately, speculations have been going off the deep end, if you ask me.


When there is no new info - all you can really do is change the angles at which you look at what you have - and see if anything starts to click. Nothing really surprising in that. I just don't understand why everyone here is so negative about it. 


Negative is a big word. I don't necessarily mind the odd crazy idea being thrown around. It just seems like crazy outlandish stuff is all we've had going on lately, and it just makes us look like crazies to outsiders, IMO. ;)

I do appreciate everyone's contributions, but it just seems like we're running in circles at this point.

We've gone through these stages of 'Hackett might be indoctrinated' several times now. Back in Mark II it was DJBare IIRC.

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