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[Rosewind]

Evebrey wrote...

I've been playing Katawa Shoujo for about 9 hours or so.
Does anyone want to discuss the Female Infiltration Theory?
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Rosewind wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

 i sent a tweet to mike gamble with a link to Priestly's message asking if this was the entire BioWare teams official stance. whether or not i ever log onto BSN again, download DLC, or even take my ME stuff out of storage hangs in the balance 


so watch him ignore it.

(ill post a link if he responds)

Oh yeah he will ignore it, but it be intresting if he did answer.

 Of course ignore. Is there even a doubt?

If he agreed with chris?

Did I miss something? Did someone come out to say something new?

Nope, well yes well no I don't know ><

[Iconoclaste]

Iconoclaste wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Backwards? So forget the main mission of destroying the reapers. Just give us proof IT was right? If that's what you mean, i don't need to know what I believe but I sure would like my shep to destroy those reapers for real unless he gained the magical power to destroy them in his mind or it was all a dream and there were never any reapers at all.

Not meaning to be sarcastic toward you but looking at what we're left with as a whole. I'd rather see an ending as I know the proof is already there.

Look at it this way : Bioware didn't go with IT in the original endings, but after seeing the theory shaping up, they might have seen it as an interesting, unforeseen twist that could live as well as any other explanation. Where and when did Shepard wake up? Your call, entirely.

I'll add this, then go to bed.

In the "Literal" version of the "destroy" ending, the question comes up :"Why did they not find Shepard, given the time between the breath scene and the moment the LI / squadmate hesitates to put the name on the wall?"...

Shepard is alive but nowhere to be found? Or Shepard is struck with amnesia after a huge blast, or an indoc attempt, and no one can know who he is while being slowly healed in some remote hospital, in the chaos following the events? Or he is so badly burned and injured no one can recognize him for a good period, and he's in no shape to communicate?

And how could he have already defeated the Reapers if he wakes up and everything is over? Could someone else have reached the Citadel and shoot the tube? Is that of any relevance since it's all "symbolic", only a "dream"? Could he have distracted the Reapers with this "mind fight" long enough to allow the Alliance to effectively use the Crucible?

Anyway, off to bed now.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 04 août 2012 - 07:16 .

[Evebrey]

Rosewind wrote...

Evebrey wrote...

I've been playing Katawa Shoujo for about 9 hours or so.
Does anyone want to discuss the Female Infiltration Theory?
***

Rosewind wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

 i sent a tweet to mike gamble with a link to Priestly's message asking if this was the entire BioWare teams official stance. whether or not i ever log onto BSN again, download DLC, or even take my ME stuff out of storage hangs in the balance 


so watch him ignore it.

(ill post a link if he responds)

Oh yeah he will ignore it, but it be intresting if he did answer.

 Of course ignore. Is there even a doubt?

If he agreed with chris?

Did I miss something? Did someone come out to say something new?

Nope, well yes well no I don't know ><

You lost me somewhere. so no?

edit: SORRY GOT IT

Modifié par Evebrey, 04 août 2012 - 07:26 .

[legaldinho]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Just figured I'd come in here are drop this off:

Chris Priestly-

I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes"
as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop
whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not
plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or
subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That
said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single
player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will
effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on
what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at
the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for
future DLC as well.

-Recently posted as a closing argument for a locked thread regarding the endings

Interestingly enough, the apparent explicit "We're done" of the first paragraph is circumvented by the nature of the second. What, exactly, Bioware considers to be "The endings" and how "The endings" are defined, in nature, is yet to be outlined, if the endings are considered fixed but new dialogue with the Catalyst can still be added.

Regardless, it's apparent that there is still rebellion brewing on these forums. It would also seem that the IT is still up in the air, if I know anything about political/business speak.

Link to quote: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19

What is clear, is the starchild is here to stay. There will be no new ending. No new dialogue can change the ending, to make clear it is an indoctrination attempt, and then offer you the chance to "finish" the game for real.

Which is what I, Frank A. Legaldinho, your humble servant, have said all along. And that's fine: it doesn't make IT an invalid interpretation of in-game events. Go watch Total Recall (before the new film ruins it) to see how it's really done. The way that IT has been formulated and understood as effectively depending on an "eventual" DLC is highly flawed. It's time to let it go. They may revisit the endings in ME4, but oblique allusions in a world and events set far in the future is more likely- a bit like Revan in KOTOR II.

Modifié par legaldinho, 04 août 2012 - 07:24 .

[CoolioThane]

Oh ye of little faith. That quote from Chris changes nothing. That's been their "official" stance since the game was released. Nothing has changed.

To abandon the IT now, after all we've been through is silly. We have here the best way the IP can go and Bioware/EA would be silly (which they're not) not to see that.

We will have to suffer trolls and literalists quoting that post for weeks on end now, but remember: we have the evidence, we have the faith and we have each other.

I am proud to be an IT-er; we have faith in the best game developers in the world (IMO), we have dissected a series we love Abd have had the best of times discussing and speculating and we have become a family. **** the haters, let them act like a-holes but know we still have the theory and nothing has changed.

We will continue speculating and discussing the best way the series can continue, as the IT is not dead, no matter what people try and tell us. It's not dead until any post-ending content is released (books, comics, me4) and they are congruent with the current endings.

Just keep the faith, keep the family together, and if we ever do find out IT is false, we support each other and learn to understand what good can come from the endings (because lets face it; destroy is the only thing we can choose - ahh paxx ) and learn to accept it. It would be a disservice from us not to respect bioware and to not give them a chance, if IT is false, to redeem themselves (in our opinions) with further games.

Sorry for the long post, I just want us to stick with the best thing ever, to the end

Souls, replaced by tech.

[RavenEyry]

So looking back, the leviathan announcement told us nothing we didn't already know, not even a release date. There's also a weapons pack which is SO worth paying for. Bravo Bioware, you sure know how to build hype and then disappoint.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

RavenEyry wrote...

So looking back, the leviathan announcement told us nothing we didn't already know, not even a release date. There's also a weapons pack which is SO worth paying for. Bravo Bioware, you sure know how to build hype and then disappoint.

What hype? For the press conference? All we heard was from Gamble "headin to a press conference for thursday, laters!" Unless I missed smething... Maybe you should stop getting your hopes up every time we hear a little snippet of potential announcements, maybe every other time, that way you'll be half as disappointed.

I'm looking forward to both DLCs, doubt anyone is making you buy them.

[RavenEyry]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

So looking back, the leviathan announcement told us nothing we didn't already know, not even a release date. There's also a weapons pack which is SO worth paying for. Bravo Bioware, you sure know how to build hype and then disappoint.

What hype? For the press conference? All we heard was from Gamble "headin to a press conference for thursday, laters!" Unless I missed smething... Maybe you should stop getting your hopes up every time we hear a little snippet of potential announcements, maybe every other time, that way you'll be half as disappointed.

I'm looking forward to both DLCs, doubt anyone is making you buy them.

Actually about half a dozen devs were all like 'you're gonna LOVE this announcement' which then just said 'Leviathan, so... yeah.'

[legaldinho]

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh ye of little faith. That quote from Chris changes nothing. That's been their "official" stance since the game was released. Nothing has changed.

To abandon the IT now, after all we've been through is silly. We have here the best way the IP can go and Bioware/EA would be silly (which they're not) not to see that.

We will have to suffer trolls and literalists quoting that post for weeks on end now, but remember: we have the evidence, we have the faith and we have each other.

I am proud to be an IT-er; we have faith in the best game developers in the world (IMO), we have dissected a series we love Abd have had the best of times discussing and speculating and we have become a family. **** the haters, let them act like a-holes but know we still have the theory and nothing has changed.

We will continue speculating and discussing the best way the series can continue, as the IT is not dead, no matter what people try and tell us. It's not dead until any post-ending content is released (books, comics, me4) and they are congruent with the current endings.

Just keep the faith, keep the family together, and if we ever do find out IT is false, we support each other and learn to understand what good can come from the endings (because lets face it; destroy is the only thing we can choose - ahh paxx ) and learn to accept it. It would be a disservice from us not to respect bioware and to not give them a chance, if IT is false, to redeem themselves (in our opinions) with further games.

Sorry for the long post, I just want us to stick with the best thing ever, to the end

Souls, replaced by tech.

With all due respect bro, you need to examine the tone of this post- and the attitude behind it. One of the descriptions used for those who believe in IT is that they are members of a cult. Talk of family, of tightening together against outsiders and trolls is unhelpful in that context.

But I agree with one thing: The indoctrination interpretation of the endings is here to stay, until at the very least the next game. It is not dependent on a "truth" DLC being released. The strength of the IT as expanded upon in Marks 1 and 2 of this thread is the evidence in Mass Effect 3.

Chris Priestley's post in no way says the IT is untrue. It says the endings are final. Those are different statements. So chin up mate. M'kay.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

RavenEyry wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

So looking back, the leviathan announcement told us nothing we didn't already know, not even a release date. There's also a weapons pack which is SO worth paying for. Bravo Bioware, you sure know how to build hype and then disappoint.

What hype? For the press conference? All we heard was from Gamble "headin to a press conference for thursday, laters!" Unless I missed smething... Maybe you should stop getting your hopes up every time we hear a little snippet of potential announcements, maybe every other time, that way you'll be half as disappointed.

I'm looking forward to both DLCs, doubt anyone is making you buy them.

Actually about half a dozen devs were all like 'you're gonna LOVE this announcement' which then just said 'Leviathan, so... yeah.'

Yeah, we got a trailer + details, which is nice and something we didnt have before. Not their fault a handufl of their fans cracked open the EC content and peaked at the files concerning Leviathan

[Leonia]

It's not that Priestly's comments change much but they do sort of slam a few hopes into the ground with the extra bits about a lack of additions to the ending, etc. It's the most detailed response we've heard on the subject at any rate and it has a very obvious "deal with it" tone.

As for Leviathan they couldn't even give us a release date other than "this summer". If they're not ready to commit to a specific date, why commit to the last month of the summer season with that statement? I'm excited for it, no doubt, whether it adds any IT clues or not but I still feel like the communication could be better. There's not even an FAQ up yet that answers basics like "When in the game is the best time to do the DLC?" but that might come later.

Modifié par leonia42, 04 août 2012 - 07:53 .

[Gwyphon]

I think it's odd that multiplayer FREE dlc's are released in a more organized fashion.

[CoolioThane]

legaldinho wrote...


With all due respect bro, you need to examine the tone of this post- and the attitude behind it. One of the descriptions used for those who believe in IT is that they are members of a cult. Talk of family, of tightening together against outsiders and trolls is unhelpful in that context.

But I agree with one thing: The indoctrination interpretation of the endings is here to stay, until at the very least the next game. It is not dependent on a "truth" DLC being released. The strength of the IT as expanded upon in Marks 1 and 2 of this thread is the evidence in Mass Effect 3.

Chris Priestley's post in no way says the IT is untrue. It says the endings are final. Those are different statements. So chin up mate. M'kay.

With all due respect, I am optimistic as I state in my post I haven't stopped believing. 

So it's not okay to say how I feel? I feel the members of the IT are a family as we've stuck by one another. We're not a cult at all. I didn't say against outsiders, just trolls. I'm not going to change how I feel, mkay

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@leonia42

Not sure why they said "this summer" instead of a specific date either, maybe they're just tying up some loose ends? Probably wanted to give themselves a big enough window of time just in case something went south with a bug or some such.

[ld1449]

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh ye of little faith. That quote from Chris changes nothing. That's been their "official" stance since the game was released. Nothing has changed.

To abandon the IT now, after all we've been through is silly. We have here the best way the IP can go and Bioware/EA would be silly (which they're not) not to see that.

We will have to suffer trolls and literalists quoting that post for weeks on end now, but remember: we have the evidence, we have the faith and we have each other.

I am proud to be an IT-er; we have faith in the best game developers in the world (IMO), we have dissected a series we love Abd have had the best of times discussing and speculating and we have become a family. **** the haters, let them act like a-holes but know we still have the theory and nothing has changed.

We will continue speculating and discussing the best way the series can continue, as the IT is not dead, no matter what people try and tell us. It's not dead until any post-ending content is released (books, comics, me4) and they are congruent with the current endings.

Just keep the faith, keep the family together, and if we ever do find out IT is false, we support each other and learn to understand what good can come from the endings (because lets face it; destroy is the only thing we can choose - ahh paxx ) and learn to accept it. It would be a disservice from us not to respect bioware and to not give them a chance, if IT is false, to redeem themselves (in our opinions) with further games.

Sorry for the long post, I just want us to stick with the best thing ever, to the end

Souls, replaced by tech.

Dude...I really really really am not trying to be offensive here, but at this point hanging onto IT as anything more than a pipe dream is delusional. If they were really gonna do something, or planned to do something with this crap, they would, either keep quiet or come flat out and say so.

Almost every IT'er I've met have always said "they've never flat out said no to it being in the works.

Well..Here's your "No"

Its not in the works its not planned, the only hope for this damn genre now is that their SP DLC sales tank so bad they decide to swallow their pride and just bite the bullet and make something new down the road.

[RavenEyry]

ld1449 wrote...

Its not in the works its not planned, the only hope for this damn genre now is that their SP DLC sales tank so bad they decide to swallow their pride and just bite the bullet and make something new down the road.

IT is a valid interpretation and nothing seems set to change that any time soon. I've never said there would be a 'true ending' DLC for one.

[AxStapleton]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@leonia42

Not sure why they said "this summer" instead of a specific date either, maybe they're just tying up some loose ends? Probably wanted to give themselves a big enough window of time just in case something went south with a bug or some such.

Summer doesn't technically end until the 22nd September this year.

[CoolioThane]

ld1449 wrote...

Dude...I really really really am not trying to be offensive here, but at this point hanging onto IT as anything more than a pipe dream is delusional. If they were really gonna do something, or planned to do something with this crap, they would, either keep quiet or come flat out and say so.

Almost every IT'er I've met have always said "they've never flat out said no to it being in the works.

Well..Here's your "No"

Its not in the works its not planned, the only hope for this damn genre now is that their SP DLC sales tank so bad they decide to swallow their pride and just bite the bullet and make something new down the road.

Wow. Delusional - trying not to be offensive.

Haha nice one. IT is as valid as ever, dude. Calling me delusional just makes you look an arse. Lol.

[CoolioThane]

That's also not a no to IT, lol.

[Zan51]

I'm not new, exactly, posted here in this thread once before, but can't find it now!  I read up what I can but your thread grows so fast and I am out at work for 11 hours a day so catching up is restricted to the last few pages.

Things I'd like to know from those of you who do - I picked up that ME3 is "full of symbology" said by one of the Devs? Is this correct? Any chance of a list somewhere, or link to where the most relevant symbology is because I would love to play intellectually with that.

One thing that did interest me is the kid with the toy plane at the beginning. Like many I thought it was the Normandy only to find out it was a toy. I haven't seen this mentioned, but given I can't do a lot of catch-up I may have missed it. Given that Shepard is discredited, supposedly been under "house" arrest for many months, why on earth would there be a toy made of the Normandy at all?  That alone I think is proof of those who spotted it as symbolic with the kid controlling it, ad Shepards standing passively watching him.

Hrothdane, I liked your Isolate Shepard theory a lot. It's a known aid to indoctrination. Hell,  control freaks use it on their victims, spreading lies about their friends to the victim, and lies to their friends about them till no one knows where they are but the Controller! Another is tell a lie often enough and you will start to believe it, whether you are the liar or the one hearing it.

I always believed that the ending wasn't what it seemed, and at least a week ago have posted that I believe the true ending will emerge piece by piece from the DLCs. Now the "ending" may well still be the whole star brat thing, but if we get clues and insight in the DLCs, it can add to our mental armor and ability to throw off the IT come the end section. That would be seen with extra dialogue as you have said here already. I reckon we have what, 12 endings right now? 3 colors and Refuse is 4, times it with Low EMS, Mid EMS and High EMS, gives 12. So we still have 4 more to go of the quoted 16. There is wiggle room to expand sideways, maybe even a tad laterally, with added content, and added ability of Shepard to mentally fight IT from that content.

Someone has probably said it, but here goes, "You have come too far," sayd Leviathon. Well, we have, we have as a pan-galactic civilization of all the races, we have made alliances, we are working in harmony with the Geth. We have come further than any other cycle we are told.  That is what I think it means when "You have come too far," is said - we have advanced to the point we are a real threat one way or another now.

Don't ask me how we are a real threat, I dunno, maybe you can play with this, or tell me where what decisions I have come to mostly myself fit in with the body of your work here. But I am intested in hearing more.

Modifié par Zan51, 04 août 2012 - 08:11 .

[AxStapleton]

ld1449 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh ye of little faith. That quote from Chris changes nothing. That's been their "official" stance since the game was released. Nothing has changed.

To abandon the IT now, after all we've been through is silly. We have here the best way the IP can go and Bioware/EA would be silly (which they're not) not to see that.

We will have to suffer trolls and literalists quoting that post for weeks on end now, but remember: we have the evidence, we have the faith and we have each other.

I am proud to be an IT-er; we have faith in the best game developers in the world (IMO), we have dissected a series we love Abd have had the best of times discussing and speculating and we have become a family. **** the haters, let them act like a-holes but know we still have the theory and nothing has changed.

We will continue speculating and discussing the best way the series can continue, as the IT is not dead, no matter what people try and tell us. It's not dead until any post-ending content is released (books, comics, me4) and they are congruent with the current endings.

Just keep the faith, keep the family together, and if we ever do find out IT is false, we support each other and learn to understand what good can come from the endings (because lets face it; destroy is the only thing we can choose - ahh paxx ) and learn to accept it. It would be a disservice from us not to respect bioware and to not give them a chance, if IT is false, to redeem themselves (in our opinions) with further games.

Sorry for the long post, I just want us to stick with the best thing ever, to the end

Souls, replaced by tech.

Dude...I really really really am not trying to be offensive here, but at this point hanging onto IT as anything more than a pipe dream is delusional. If they were really gonna do something, or planned to do something with this crap, they would, either keep quiet or come flat out and say so.

Almost every IT'er I've met have always said "they've never flat out said no to it being in the works.

Well..Here's your "No"

Its not in the works its not planned, the only hope for this damn genre now is that their SP DLC sales tank so bad they decide to swallow their pride and just bite the bullet and make something new down the road.

The "No" is to there being a new ending to this game, which a lot of people who don't think is IT correct believed and have been asking. The IT doesn't necerssarily die with this comment. They are already technically "changing" the ending by adding dialogue with the Catalyst which they are still likely to do for future SP DLC. The IT doesn't require (although it would be great) some massive DLC which changes absolutely everything. This announcement is of course a dissapointment but many people here already thought that they wouldn't be doing it for ME3.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 04 août 2012 - 08:16 .

[AxStapleton]

Zan51 wrote...

I'm not new, exactly, posted here in this thread once before, but can't find it now!  I read up what I can but your thread grows so fast and I am out at work for 11 hours a day so catching up is restricted to the last few pages.

Things I'd like to know from those of you who do - I picked up that ME3 is "full of symbology" said by one of the Devs? Is this correct? Any chance of a list somewhere, or link to where the most relevant symbology is because I would love to play intellectually with that.

Go to the first post of this thread for the links.

[Gwyphon]

@Zan: Not sure if there's a list of symbolism. They never specifically said what was and wasn't symbolism, I believe it was along the lines of "There are some parts of ME3 that are supposed to be taken non-literally." I think an obvious one would be the 3 dreams, the opening with the kid and atleast some segments of the ending sequence.

What I took from the kid with the toy is "Things aren't what they seem". This scene is surely significant, I mean it's the first thing you see.

The Leviathan trailer is pretty interesting, namely the voice at the end. It's definitely intended to be reaper-like and directed at Shepard, but other than that it seems quite ominous. Looking forward to it.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 04 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[CoolioThane]

EC provides no closure to squad mates. That's all I wanted from it but we're left toske it up for ourselves