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[shadoww6021]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

It's obvious we're in dire need of new material.

Lately, speculations have been going off the deep end, if you ask me.

When there is no new info - all you can really do is change the angles at which you look at what you have - and see if anything starts to click. Nothing really surprising in that. I just don't understand why everyone here is so negative about it. 

Because TIM is not a Reaper. In ME2 the camera is stationed in his office and we see him in person multiple times. Miranda is real too and she met him too.

but he is indoctrinated (or at least it is assumed his is in ME2)

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Negative is a big word. I don't necessarily mind the odd crazy idea being thrown around. It just seems like crazy outlandish stuff is all we've had going on lately, and it just makes us look like crazies to outsiders, IMO.

So what's so bad about crazy outlandish stuff? it doesn't hurt anyone and it is fun to discuss it. And mayby something use will come out of it. 

And as for making us look crazy? To whom exactly? People who love synthesis? Really? Those are the poeple you don't want ot look crazy to? 
Why should we care how we look at all and at this point in particular? The theory is there in th OP - it is solid, and no new info to add to it yet. Might as well have some fun.  

[Home run MF]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


Awesome, thanks!

Aren't we missing something before this though?

IIRC, Shepard starts by saying: What if the Illusive Man is right? What if the Reapers can be controlled?

After that, we're missing something, I think. And then comes what you posted.

I think you're mixing stuff, the what if the Illusive Man is right line is the text that appears in the conversation wheel but it's never said by Shepard.
This is the whole Cerberus investigate exchange:

Shepard: What are your thoughts on Cerberus?

Hackett: I think it's obvious by now the Illusive Man is insane.
Not that he wasn't always a special form of crazy, but this is getting downright dangerous.
And I don't care what he thinks he's proven. There's only one way we defeat the Reapers: no more Reapers.

Shepard: But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?

Hackett: That's like trying to tame a shark: somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it would be the whole galaxy. He's the worst possible person to give that kind of power to.

This anwser depends on you paragon/renegade level I think  
Hackett: Kill him. That's an order. or  Make sure it doesn't happen.

Modifié par Home run MF, 26 octobre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Unschuld]

Why is new material "needed"? Honestly that only leads to people making wild conclusions about new "evidence" they found when there's simply nothing there at all. Pretty soon you'll be swearing you see Big Ben in the smoke of the breath scene when in reality it's just a visual illusion from your brain trying to pick out familiar shapes in random patterns. Just about everything with a shred of plausibility within the current game has been found already, possibly some stuff was missed but unlikely. If anything else were in there, it should be found, not looked for.

I'd wait for Omega.

Modifié par Unschuld, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:00 .

[demersel]

starlitegirlx wrote...
Playing as Shepard, we, it has to be done by shepard. Shepard was there to do it for Tim and Saren, but nobody is there for Shepard. Shepard has to do it himself or herself, which means the player has to do it. 

I still thing that in this scenarion, breaking free of indoctrinatio will look like this rather than the way it was with Saren. 



Player Shepard helping character Shepard up. Or vice versa. 

We seem to froget that two examples of people breaking free of indcotrination are not Saren and TIM, but rather Saren and Bonezia.
Besides we have argued here that Kenson teasing Shepard and informing him about what she was up to - was actually her trying to fight indoctrination - guiding shepard into stoping her. Tim shoots himself the same way Saren does, cose it is all happening in Shepard's mind and he's seen it for himself (with saren) and it was such a powerfull image. Not to mention that it is only one way that Illusive man dies in shepard's mind - the other one - shepard shoots him just like he shot Udina.

Modifié par demersel, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:01 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Hey guys, I don't have any pictures (but since we are talking about beating dead horses) when I compared the breath scene rubble, specifically the "rebar" piece that has stirred up all the debate... Well I found it again in-game - on the London map.

On the upper balcony area overlooking the courtyard, where there is a hole blasted into the side, right in the middle. There is the piece of rebar/construction coil pulled away from the blasted metal...

Of course, this goes without saying, that same coil can be found on Rannoch, Uttuku, the Citadel, and probably a lot of other places... Just thought I would throw this out there anyway

Oh ya, this also proves Hackett is indoctrinated and TIM is a Reaper ;D

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:03 .

[demersel]

SwobyJ wrote...

Cue... youtu.be/aSJujqOsBTk

Oh Eve.

And now for uplifting music. youtu.be/uwE6dgIPVG8

"We have to give everything... even if that means our lives. We will stop at nothing! We will fight for the lost!"
EDIT: Haha.. imagine if the Fight for the Lost speech actually happens, except in a ME3 DLC instead?

SwobyJ - you DO know what Choose Wisely episodes are building up to, right? 

Modifié par demersel, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:09 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Home run MF wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


Awesome, thanks!

Aren't we missing something before this though?

IIRC, Shepard starts by saying: What if the Illusive Man is right? What if the Reapers can be controlled?

After that, we're missing something, I think. And then comes what you posted.

I think you're mixing stuff, the what if the Illusive Man is right line is the text that appears in the conversation wheel but it's never said by Shepard.
This is the whole Cerberus investigate exchange:

Shepard: What are your thoughts on Cerberus?

Hackett: I think it's obvious by now the Illusive Man is insane.
Not that he wasn't always a special form of crazy, but this is getting downright dangerous.
And I don't care what he thinks he's proven. There's only one way we defeat the Reapers: no more Reapers.

Shepard: But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?

Hackett: That's like trying to tame a shark: somebody's going to end up dead. In this case, it would be the whole galaxy. He's the worst possible person to give that kind of power to.

This anwser depends on you paragon/renegade level I think  
Hackett: Kill him. That's an order. or  Make sure it doesn't happen.

Okay, great! Thanks. =)

And yeah, my memory is kind of foggy on this conversation.

Added to the collection!

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Is that where Hellish and them are taking those vids? Ah well, good thing they weren't my favorites Haha still love the hell outta Prettz's videos

[DoomsdayDevice]

Unschuld wrote...

Why is new material "needed"? Honestly that only leads to people making wild conclusions about new "evidence" they found when there's simply nothing there at all. Pretty soon you'll be swearing you see Big Ben in the smoke of the breath scene when in reality it's just a visual illusion from your brain trying to pick out familiar shapes in random patterns. Just about everything with a shred of plausibility within the current game has been found already, possibly some stuff was missed but unlikely. If anything else were in there, it should be found, not looked for.

I'd wait for Omega.

... which is exactly what I meant with 'new material'.

You're making exactly the point I was trying to make.

[DoomsdayDevice]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Fact is ignorance is bliss. IT is bleak. Very bleak. People might choose to remain ignorant simply because the alternative is too depressing. You can see it in RL everyday. People choose to remain ingnorant to the facts because the lies or false truths are much nicer though generally they lead to far more misery. 

Bailey: I think all the reports are starting to sink in. You can only live in denial so long.

Shepard: You either wake up or die. Either way...

(...)

Bailey: I guess it's not just human nature. We all lie to ourselves to deal with horror.

[Unschuld]

magnetite wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Why is new material "needed"? Honestly that only leads to people making wild conclusions about new "evidence" they found when there's simply nothing there at all. Pretty soon you'll be swearing you see Big Ben in the smoke of the breath scene when in reality it's just a visual illusion from your brain trying to pick out familiar shapes in random patterns. Just about everything with a shred of plausibility within the current game has been found already, possibly some stuff was missed but unlikely. If anything else were in there, it should be found, not looked for.

I'd wait for Omega.

The answers are there if people are looking for them. I really hate to put it that way, but it's the truth. Sadly. although, not everyone is like this. The way our society works today, people don't want to look for answers. They want to know what happened and they want it right now. It's just the way some have been "conditioned" or I'd rather say indoctrinated, but I don't want to get anyone excited.

I understand what you're saying and I agree, however...

The tone of my post was more a cautionary tale about looking too hard for things, because you will find them whether they really exist or not. Someone just said it the other day so I'm echoing it; don't take a theory and look for evidence to prove it, find evidence and use it to draw up a conclusion. Obviously, Indoc theory is already there, but time would be better spent analysing the good stuff and bringing it under scrutiny rather than finding a hundred more weak bits (especially things like reused assets and manipulating the color scheme to turn blue into red).

That silly gun glitch in the final split seconds of the destroy scene was neat, but honestly the best evidence hasn't been things that you can see rendered in the game, but rather the dialogue that you hear.

Modifié par Unschuld, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:18 .

[Unschuld]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
... which is exactly what I meant with 'new material'.

You're making exactly the point I was trying to make.

Ah, I misread. 

I just feel wary every time someone says IT needs to find "new stuff" because it reminds me of speculations running wild (like you said) and leading to the fulfillment of the IT'er stereotype that drives people away. I guess it's kinda a knee-jerk reaction.

Modifié par Unschuld, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:23 .