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Of course they have to say "no post ending DLC"
Imagine the alternative. They come out the day the game comes out - "And just so you know - there will be post ending DLCs to that game". And the sane question would be - Why? Why do we need post ending DLC? The war is over, the story is over, and shepard is dead - how can there be post ending DCL?
- weeeell.....you see....the ending is actually fake - none of this really happens, it is just your character getting indoctrinated. The only way you can beat the indoctrination is by picking destroy option and having high enough EMS score - so then you you wake up and find out that the war is still going on, and you still have to beat the reapers for real this time! What happens if you pick control or synthesis? Well, isn't it obvious? You're getting indoctrinated and it is basicly gameover for you, for being stupid. So the DLC will be out in a year or so and it will cost 1500 bioware points. In the meantime - be sure to by our 60 dollar game to find out how all of your choices thoughout the whole trilogy will play out! - this is what they were supposed to say about post ending DLCs? It's a facking surprise!
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:16
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Omega will likely have hints but nothing definitive. Anything that makes the ending obvious to the characters in game would make the end a narrative joke
I don't know if BW would have the balls to ever show IT is what is happening. You'd have to have some major balls to do that and risk players being pissed but come out being one of the smartest games of the year or maybe even the decade. That level of layering is rarely found in any media these days. So it depends if they want to be known for something that mindscrewed the majority of its players because they weren't using their brains when they played the game and even continued not to use them after the end and learning about IT. Personally, I think society, particularly the games primary demographic, could use a wake up call. If it were me, I'd do it solely for that reason. Sort of a 'start using your brains, people," kind of statement since society is getting dumber by the day.
But BW may not want to be so bold. It would take a lot of integrity to push forward and make IT so damn clear that only the zealots would reject it. To leave it open as it is, while I straddle the fence on this one, is still a cop out.
Fact remains there are too many people in society that are truly idiots who don't even want to think or aren't capable of it because media caters to idiocy. BW could reset the bar or raise it out of the sludge. Will they? Remains to be seen. They have a great opportunity. Getting behind IT or affirming it could actually give a rise in sales. Nobody walked out of the Sixth Sense pissed they didn't get it. The writer/director is still making movies (albeit truly crappy ones because his one good idea was sixth sense).
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:21
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Sooo...in the meantime the op is on. Who's up for it?
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:23
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I'm not so sure that the non bsn fans would care, especially if there's a big splashy dlc at the end. I bet there are a lot of people who aren't that attached to the end. Bsn is a minority.
All the fans:
5% I told you so
2% synthesis fans
8% But I loved the end!
15% So the indoctrination theorists were right
20% Wait, there's an ME1 and 2?
50% # amazed
Obviously the % are a total ass pull
All the fans:
5% I told you so
2% synthesis fans
8% But I loved the end!
15% So the indoctrination theorists were right
20% Wait, there's an ME1 and 2?
50% # amazed
Obviously the % are a total ass pull
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:26
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Hackett is more indoctrinated than Shepard, TIM and Rana Thanoptis combined! Everybody accuses other obvious candidates for indoctrination but seems to overlook the one character that poses as a beacon of righteousness. And that's exactly where indoctrination would go unnoticed by anyone.SwobyJ wrote...
social.bioware.com/898431/polls/41016/
Hacket poll is out.
Seems at minimum, 1/4-1/3 of players find Hackett at least a *bit* suspicious.
Still very outnumbered by those who don't think that at all.
I just don't see ANY in game evidence to support this. He even rejects Control and chooses destroy. The only place you could say it's questionable is that he's supporting the race to the beam, but in his words it's either that or let them bleed you slowly. So if you want to have a fighthing change at destroying them there is no other option, and in reality, in game evidence supports this. Reapers are everywhere. Also, all of this has taken place in a period of just a few months.
Anderson however has been close to reapers, so he could be indoctrinated as proximity is an issue. And if it's his plan then sure. But Hackett is going along with it because it's the best option they have. Hackett didn't devise the strategy IIRC. Anderson did. Hackett is working on all the best intel he has, and he's trusting people he has always trusted. So no to Hackett but possibly yes to Anderson at the end with the beam run.
Also, if you're using Mars as an example, Liara was doing some digging through prothean sites and started crossing paths with cerberus which was a clue to her she was onto something, wasn't it? I think that was why Hackett was behind Mars. Also, post arrival put the reapers very close to invasion. They had to take whatever they could, investigate every possible option at that point. If hackett said not to Mars, that would actually be more suspious.
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:27
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Where's pictures 2 and 4 from?
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:29
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They're from Overlord DLC
They're from Overlord DLC
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When I played the Demo back in February, the first thought after hearing Anderson asking why they hadn't heard from Hackett was that either he was dead or indoctrinated. Then in the full game he happily pops out of the blue and delays direct orders from Admiral Anderson. Oh, and Shepard follows that without a second thought.Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Hackett is more indoctrinated than Shepard, TIM and Rana Thanoptis combined! Everybody accuses other obvious candidates for indoctrination but seems to overlook the one character that poses as a beacon of righteousness. And that's exactly where indoctrination would go unnoticed by anyone.SwobyJ wrote...
social.bioware.com/898431/polls/41016/
Hacket poll is out.
Seems at minimum, 1/4-1/3 of players find Hackett at least a *bit* suspicious.
Still very outnumbered by those who don't think that at all.
Two simple question regarding Hackett beeing Indoctrinated, when and how?
I must be sounding like a broken record by now, but Hacket has for everything we are shown in all three Mass Effect games had zero contact with Reaper tech and no direct proximity to a Reaper.
He is a fleet Admiral to the bone, we have never seen him off a ship, never had him mentioned as beeing anywhere but on a ship, no groud missions, nothing. Beyond that he spends allmost all of ME3 overlooking the Crucible project safely hidden away from the Reaper and even as we hit Earth he is still on a ship.
As I allready said Hacket has no known contact with any kind of Reaper tech and if you ask me some of the worst storytelling you can do is making a reval which is not backed by player knowledge in at least some way. But then again under a littral perspective they allready did that.
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:32
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Hello everyone!
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:33
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And the first thing Liara says is expressing her surprise at why would Hackett send Shepard to Mars. I'm not saying he's definitely indoctrinated but he might be.starlitegirlx wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Hackett is more indoctrinated than Shepard, TIM and Rana Thanoptis combined! Everybody accuses other obvious candidates for indoctrination but seems to overlook the one character that poses as a beacon of righteousness. And that's exactly where indoctrination would go unnoticed by anyone.SwobyJ wrote...
social.bioware.com/898431/polls/41016/
Hacket poll is out.
Seems at minimum, 1/4-1/3 of players find Hackett at least a *bit* suspicious.
Still very outnumbered by those who don't think that at all.
I just don't see ANY in game evidence to support this. He even rejects Control and chooses destroy. The only place you could say it's questionable is that he's supporting the race to the beam, but in his words it's either that or let them bleed you slowly. So if you want to have a fighthing change at destroying them there is no other option, and in reality, in game evidence supports this. Reapers are everywhere. Also, all of this has taken place in a period of just a few months.
Anderson however has been close to reapers, so he could be indoctrinated as proximity is an issue. And if it's his plan then sure. But Hackett is going along with it because it's the best option they have. Hackett didn't devise the strategy IIRC. Anderson did. Hackett is working on all the best intel he has, and he's trusting people he has always trusted. So no to Hackett but possibly yes to Anderson at the end with the beam run.
Also, if you're using Mars as an example, Liara was doing some digging through prothean sites and started crossing paths with cerberus which was a clue to her she was onto something, wasn't it? I think that was why Hackett was behind Mars. Also, post arrival put the reapers very close to invasion. They had to take whatever they could, investigate every possible option at that point. If hackett said not to Mars, that would actually be more suspious.
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When I played the Demo back in February, the first thought after hearing Anderson asking why they hadn't heard from Hackett was that either he was dead or indoctrinated. Then in the full game he happily pops out of the blue and delays direct orders from Admiral Anderson. Oh, and Shepard follows that without a second thought.Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Hackett is more indoctrinated than Shepard, TIM and Rana Thanoptis combined! Everybody accuses other obvious candidates for indoctrination but seems to overlook the one character that poses as a beacon of righteousness. And that's exactly where indoctrination would go unnoticed by anyone.SwobyJ wrote...
social.bioware.com/898431/polls/41016/
Hacket poll is out.
Seems at minimum, 1/4-1/3 of players find Hackett at least a *bit* suspicious.
Still very outnumbered by those who don't think that at all.
Two simple question regarding Hackett beeing Indoctrinated, when and how?
I must be sounding like a broken record by now, but Hacket has for everything we are shown in all three Mass Effect games had zero contact with Reaper tech and no direct proximity to a Reaper.
He is a fleet Admiral to the bone, we have never seen him off a ship, never had him mentioned as beeing anywhere but on a ship, no groud missions, nothing. Beyond that he spends allmost all of ME3 overlooking the Crucible project safely hidden away from the Reaper and even as we hit Earth he is still on a ship.
As I allready said Hacket has no known contact with any kind of Reaper tech and if you ask me some of the worst storytelling you can do is making a reval which is not backed by player knowledge in at least some way. But then again under a littral perspective they allready did that.
Communications were knocked out or damaged as you can tell in the ship when he's telling you to go to Mars. He could not communicate well. The mars communication is actually the only one from him that is that bad and barely working IIRC.
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:34
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Pax, there is really no way he would be... Unless the crucible indoctrinates 
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Hello everyone!
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
Hello!
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:36
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Overlord DLC
Explains why I've not seen it. Only bought it recently.
And...yeah. That adds to IT, surely? The whole 'memories being used to create an illusion' argument?
Oh my.
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:38
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Maybe but Liara's smart. She would've deduced why Hackett sent Shepard there. Unless Hackett wasn't actually cooperating with her on the search for the Crucible. IIRC she's never acknowledged their joint efforts.starlitegirlx wrote...
paxxton wrote...
When I played the Demo back in February, the first thought after hearing Anderson asking why they hadn't heard from Hackett was that either he was dead or indoctrinated. Then in the full game he happily pops out of the blue and delays direct orders from Admiral Anderson. Oh, and Shepard follows that without a second thought.Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Hackett is more indoctrinated than Shepard, TIM and Rana Thanoptis combined! Everybody accuses other obvious candidates for indoctrination but seems to overlook the one character that poses as a beacon of righteousness. And that's exactly where indoctrination would go unnoticed by anyone.SwobyJ wrote...
social.bioware.com/898431/polls/41016/
Hacket poll is out.
Seems at minimum, 1/4-1/3 of players find Hackett at least a *bit* suspicious.
Still very outnumbered by those who don't think that at all.
Two simple question regarding Hackett beeing Indoctrinated, when and how?
I must be sounding like a broken record by now, but Hacket has for everything we are shown in all three Mass Effect games had zero contact with Reaper tech and no direct proximity to a Reaper.
He is a fleet Admiral to the bone, we have never seen him off a ship, never had him mentioned as beeing anywhere but on a ship, no groud missions, nothing. Beyond that he spends allmost all of ME3 overlooking the Crucible project safely hidden away from the Reaper and even as we hit Earth he is still on a ship.
As I allready said Hacket has no known contact with any kind of Reaper tech and if you ask me some of the worst storytelling you can do is making a reval which is not backed by player knowledge in at least some way. But then again under a littral perspective they allready did that.
Communications were knocked out or damaged as you can tell in the ship when he's telling you to go to Mars. He could not communicate well. The mars communication is actually the only one from him that is that bad and barely working IIRC.
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:38
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BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hello everyone!
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
I do, however, think he's being manipulated somehow. False intel or one of his advisors is indoctrinated. Some of his orders do seem very strange, in context. His behaviour is the same as its been since ME1 - very calm, collected and professional, with a hint of gruff distain.
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BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hello everyone!
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
How could Anderson be indoctrinated?
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Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 06:40
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Sooo...in the meantime the op is on. Who's up for it?
Last few times I tried to play MP (I play bronze), I kept landing in the same horrible groups of cerberus fighting on firebase and the other white one. It was like there was nobody else playing. Given that, along with having a harrier already, which is my main weapon of choice, I'm pretty much done with ops. Plus, lag for me is terrible these days and I doubt it's on my end.
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He was involved in fighting the Reapers' initial forces. Then contact was lost.BansheeOwnage wrote...
Pax, there is really no way he would be... Unless the crucible indoctrinates
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AresKeith wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hello everyone!
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
How could Anderson be indoctrinated?
Months on Earth during the occupation is the safest bet.
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The better question is, how could he have not been indoctrinated?Andromidius wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hello everyone!
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
How could Anderson be indoctrinated?
Months on Earth during the occupation is the safest bet.
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BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hello everyone!
@StarliteGirl I agree. Anderson could possibly be indoctrinated, Hackett is not.
How could Anderson be indoctrinated?
I'm not convinced he is. I'm saying that there is no proof that Hackett is however given the plan to run toward the beam is generally dumb and dangerous, and given that Anderson has been in the vicininty of reapers which is said to lead to indoctrination or CAN lead to it, Anderson might be and it might explain why the plan is so bad. Also, isn't there mention of a pad near Anderson in london that says that people near the beam become indoctrinated? I've never seen it, but I mostly focus on talking to crew members then anderson once I'm in that area.
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Maybe but Liara's smart. She would've deduced why Hackett sent Shepard there. Unless Hackett wasn't actually cooperating with her on the search for the Crucible. IIRC she's never acknowledged their joint efforts.
Liara on Mars: Hackett knew it, too. He contacted me, asking if I would use my resources as the Shadow Broker to find a way to stop the Reapers.
My search led me here. Hackett got me access to the Archives and kept me updated on your status.
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@Starlite Which platform are you on?
