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[jojon2se]

Rifneno wrote...
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LOL. Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers. The weapon doesn't matter. Winning is only implied by the breath scene because you're still sticking your head in the sand at all the facts that point to the Crucible being a trick. You don't need anything else. Those of us capable of logical deduction do.
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To be fair, I believe Bill's reasoning hinges on the Crucible only in a metaphorical sense -- the point would be that Shepard's spirit remains unbroken and this channels into a "realisation" that (s)he *will* find a way to destroy the reapers, even should it be something other than the crucible -- it's implied inevitable, for all that it's never outright shown.

I may not agree with him; Every interpretation depends on the observers baggage and his takes being a bit of a hawk, to begin with, and projecting that onto one's Shepard, but I can see his argument...

[BleedingUranium]

jojon2se wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
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LOL. Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers. The weapon doesn't matter. Winning is only implied by the breath scene because you're still sticking your head in the sand at all the facts that point to the Crucible being a trick. You don't need anything else. Those of us capable of logical deduction do.
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To be fair, I believe Bill's reasoning hinges on the Crucible only in a metaphorical sense -- the point would be that Shepard's spirit remains unbroken and this channels into a "realisation" that (s)he *will* find a way to destroy the reapers, even should it be something other than the crucible -- it's implied inevitable, for all that it's never outright shown.

I may not agree with him; Every interpretation depends on the observers baggage and his takes being a bit of a hawk, to begin with, and projecting that onto one's Shepard, but I can see his argument...

I certainly understand his viewpoint, but while we're all bias to a degree, I see myself as a very evidence based person. The way I see it, there's just too much foreshadowing and evidence that the beam and/or Crucible are traps, so I can't just ignore that. It's kind of like the Deception Theory, it uses evidence until it finds the conclusion it wants, then stops looking at more.

It's the same reason I ended up coming up with the post-end Rio theory. Not because I was trying to find something that suggests post end content, but because I happened across a lot of evidence that pointed to one specific thing.

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

Interesting. Let's hope its got some grain of truth in it.

I will be very disappointed if there are no Collectors in Omega. I really want to get it before spoilers, but honestly after everything I can't risk my sanity like that.

I know what you mean. I'll be getting it for sure, so I could give you my opinion on whether you should or not when it comes out

[DoomsdayDevice]

I'm with Rifneno, as far as Hackett goes.

I think it's a bit far-fetched. That's not to say I'm opposed to the speculations.
At least it's not as bat**** crazy as some of the other stuff we've seen recently.

Can't wait to discuss Omega.

[Rankincountry]

I had a thought on the topic of is Hackett indoctrinated, and it applies to other characters that we might be suspicious of but have no proof. One function of indoctrination that we haven't discussed much is that its mere existence could spread as much fear, panic and havoc behind the lines as the indoctrinated agents themselves. Think about it - it can affect anyone, its symptoms can be undetectable or attributed to stress for a long time. Anyone - friends, colleagues, family - anyone, could suddenly turn and no-one is immune.

Imagine the fear and mistrust this would cause - across the galaxy, whole communities will be tearing themselves apart over no more than suspicion. Those keen to settle scores could make accusations - mud sticks at the best of times, and think what a well-placed whisper could do in the environment of ME3.

For a real-world example, the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) from World War II is a good one. They leaked details of fictional missions that caused as much disruption to the Germans as the real ones they undertook (here's a wikipedia link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive). Almost certainly, as well as the Reapers setting us at each others' throats via the mere concept of indoctrinated forces, indoctrinated agents are themselves undertaking deception and psychological operations behind the lines.

So to bring it back to Hackett - it's most likely Hackett is exactly what he seems, a loyal Alliance Admiral doing his level best to win a war of survival. But with a few deceiving clues here and there that actually amount to blind alleys, the writers have us doubting our own CO.

Modifié par Rankincountry, 26 octobre 2012 - 09:29 .

[jojon2se]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I certainly understand his viewpoint, but while we're all bias to a degree, I see myself as a very evidence based person. The way I see it, there's just too much foreshadowing and evidence that the beam and/or Crucible are traps, so I can't just ignore that. It's kind of like the Deception Theory, it uses evidence until it finds the conclusion it wants, then stops looking at more.

It's the same reason I ended up coming up with the post-end Rio theory. Not because I was trying to find something that suggests post end content, but because I happened across a lot of evidence that pointed to one specific thing.

So you think that evidence is just too compelling for the writers to put in there and then not do anything with it?

Possible and I am actually leaning heavily in the same direction as you, although I am well aware that any clue is always a potential red herring. ( Often times red herrings can be not so much deliberate, as part of story development: I.e: The writers "seed" the premise with tons of loose thread ends, which they are then free to pick up, or not, depending on where the story takes them... :7)

Modifié par jojon2se, 26 octobre 2012 - 09:38 .

[spotlessvoid]

There's bits and pieces of information, but nothing to really guide us. Again, when you're crafting a story so large, and with so much emotional attachment to characters and protagonist, you can't abandon that element at the end and leave everything in limbo forever.

[BleedingUranium]

jojon2se wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I certainly understand his viewpoint, but while we're all bias to a degree, I see myself as a very evidence based person. The way I see it, there's just too much foreshadowing and evidence that the beam and/or Crucible are traps, so I can't just ignore that. It's kind of like the Deception Theory, it uses evidence until it finds the conclusion it wants, then stops looking at more.

It's the same reason I ended up coming up with the post-end Rio theory. Not because I was trying to find something that suggests post end content, but because I happened across a lot of evidence that pointed to one specific thing.

So you think that evidence is just too compelling for the writers to put in there and then not do anything with it?

Possible and I am actually leaning heavily in the same direction as you, although I am well aware that any clue is always a potential red herring. ( Often times red herrings can be not so much deliberate, as part of story development: I.e: The writers "seed" the premise with tons of loose thread ends, which they are then free to pick up, or not, depending on where the story takes them... :7)

I don't think they'll do something for sure; they could choose not to, but, I think it's more likely they will.

They released the Groundside Resistance Pack with literally no warning, not even the day before, so they could certainly release a post-end DLC in the same fashion: *poof* He's the DLC!

I think it'll be a DLC because they couldn't be secretive about it if it was in ME4, and if they don't do a reveal not many people are going to care about ME4.

[spotlessvoid]

These are not questions of the blue babies or how many rooms in Tali's house on Rannoch variety.


What we don't know:

1.When the hallucinating starts 2. When and if any sequences are not happening in reality (dreams, geth consensus, etc excluded) 3. Is the crucible legit 4. Does the crucible actually work 5. Is the crucible a trap 6. What the Reapers plans are in London that requires the Citadel. 7. What the Illusive man is up to. 8. Who/what is the Intelligence 9. Does Shepard ever wake up 10. Is victory even possible 11.What does choosing synthesis mean 12.What does choosing control mean 13. Where are the Rachni 14. What happens to our crew 15. Are there more Reapers in space 16. Why do the Reapers want Shepard's mind 17. What are the Leviathans game plan 18. What ****ing happens

[MaximizedAction]

BleedingUranium wrote...
I don't think they'll do something for sure; they could choose not to, but, I think it's more likely they will.

They released the Groundside Resistance Pack with literally no warning, not even the day before, so they could certainly release a post-end DLC in the same fashion: *poof* He's the DLC!

I think it'll be a DLC because they couldn't be secretive about it if it was in ME4, and if they don't do a reveal not many people are going to care about ME4.

I used to refuse the idea of the next ME game potentially picking up on the Reaper war (if the ending of ME3 turns out to be 'fake'). But can DLC even finish the game in a reasonable and realistic way (if IT turns out to be true)? While (assuming IT) we might've taken back Earth, the whole galaxy (which is bigger than Earth...yes, that has to be stressed) is still in chaos. So much possible stories to tell, not only smaller warstories, but stories of how everyone recovers from it, politics, people without a proper government...so much potential.

So on the one hand, it would allow them to put the franchise back into a more 'realistic' realm, e.g. wars are not ended by shooting a tube. On the other hand, it would allow them to follow in the footsteps of every generic action game out there: war setting.

@DLC rumors: that Guardian DLC sure looks interesting!

[DoomsdayDevice]

So I'm in this other thread debating with Seival (I know...)

Anyway. I was trying to explain to him what he should have taken away from Project Overlord. Might as well post it here.

The end choices are about the themes of Mass Effect that you are supposed to understand. That people who are being controlled, have no freedom, and that without freedom, they might as well be dead. That people who have been forcibly changed, are no longer themselves anymore, and might as well be dead. That people should shape their own future, and not tread the quick and easy path the Reapers are offering them. By accepting the paths the Reapers laid out for us, we followed the mass relays and flocked like sheep into the Citadel Venus Fly Trap.

Project Overlord teaches us how the road to hell is paved with good intentions. They wanted to avoid a bloody war, so they tried to mind control an entire race, just so they could have a victory without casualties. Sound familiar? They had good intentions, and thought the end would justify the means. But the means backfired on them. It took control of them. Those who wanted to control, ended up being enslaved by the machine. Sound familiar?

It's a very common theme. Just look at Anakin Skywalker who fell to the dark side, just because he wanted to save his wife. He thought the end would justify the means, but the means ended up backfiring on him, because by succumbing to the dark side, he ended up killing her.

So yes, they had good intentions, but they took the quick and easy path, and so they did the evil that men do in the name of good. So next time you play the ending, take a moment and think about this. When you want to pick control, because you don't want to kill EDI & the Geth, ask yourself if you're not taking the quick and easy path. You're going to try and control an entire race to avoid a bloody war. Are you sure the joke's not going to be on you, like it was on David? Think about it.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 octobre 2012 - 10:13 .

[byne]

So, waiting on baby apes to spawn in Stranglethorn Vale is boring as hell. Whats going on in here?

[jojon2se]

@spotlessvoid:

...and Bill's take would allow the writers to totally cop out on answering any of those questions.

There is this film: "Lock stock and two smoking barrels", where there are at one point several groups of people in transit and the camera cuts back and forth between these. The main protagonists are telling jokes in their snippets and the cuts are made in such a way that the viewers get to hear the introduction and the punchline to each joke, but not the setup in between, which leaves the jokes incomprahensible, but becomes a greater joke in itself. :9

Bill sees something like this, on a significantly more profound level (and requiring/handwaving extrapolation, rather than interpolation) and enjoys that immensly.
-You and I prefer to get to see things through to the end, one spoonful at the time.

[Samtheman63]

anyone know how to force varkids to transform to the highest level in bl2 lol

[BleedingUranium]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So I'm in this other thread debating with Seival (I know...)

Anyway. I was trying to explain to him what he should have taken away from Project Overlord. Might as well post it here.

*snip*

Very well said! To bad it'll just fall on willingly deaf ears

[Dwailing]

Remember when I was talking about the Mass Effect 3 box art and what BW might be trying to tell us? Look at this article: http://m.ign.com/art...-horribly-corny

[spotlessvoid]

Jojon2se

In this medium, yes. Yes I do. This series is way too long and deep to end like this

And snatch was awesome too.

[Eryri]

Quick question guys, regarding the theory that all the DLCs would have snippets of extra information that would go toward making one final, huge DLC that would get around the 2Gb limit on Xbox live.

Could someone who understands programming tell me if that is actually possible? Is it feasible for Bioware to encrypt portions of the DLCs so thoroughly that the people data-mining them, who must have been going over each DLC with a fine tooth comb, would be unable to extract them, or even identify them? Please excuse my ignorance, I'm completely clueless about this.

Thanks in advance if anyone knows.

Modifié par Eryri, 26 octobre 2012 - 10:42 .

[TJBartlemus]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

How can people see this and not realize what's going on?



I mean, that just says it all, in cinematography.

 This was from a couple days ago but I had a comment on it. I'm taking a AV Tech. class of sorts and we went over the rule of thirds. Well from where the child is positioned, it places it in the most "powerful" part of the screen. 

So what did I miss in the last couple days guys?

[BleedingUranium]

Eryri wrote...

Quick question guys, regarding the theory that all the DLCs would have snippets of extra information that would go toward making one final, huge DLC that would get around the 2Gb limit on Xbox live.

Could someone who understands programming tell me if that is actually possible? Is it feasible for Bioware to encrypt portions of the DLCs so thoroughly that the people data-mining them, who must have been going over each DLC with a fine tooth comb, would be unable to extract it, or even identify it? Please excuse my ignorance, I'm completely clueless about this.

Thanks in advance if anyone knows.

I don't know either, but I'm going to hijack your question with another question: Could they release a 2GB DLC with two or three day-one DLC patches that are 2GBs each?

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 26 octobre 2012 - 10:46 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Guys, I just had some kind of epiphany about the meaning of the Crucible.

It's because of all the dialogue I've been collecting, that I'm suddenly seeing more theme consistency.

(Again, this is from the discussion with Seival, keep in mind)

[quote]It is the promise of power that corrupts. That is the Reapers' weapon. That is why power hungry people will keep the collector base. Tens of thousands of people were processed there to create the human Reaper, but the end justifies the means. The promise of power, to defeat the Reapers by using their own technology against them.

But in doing so, we once again take the path the Reapers set out for us. We must defeat them on our own terms. We must reach a technology level on our owns terms. I think that is why the relays were destroyed in the original ending. It was a symbol for freeing ourselves from Reaper tech, the paths laid out before us by others. We need to achieve our own future, like Legion says.

Just look at what Legion says after destroying the Collector base:

Legion: an interesting choice, Shepard Commander. Your species was offered everything Geth aspire to. True unity. Understanding. Transcendence. You rejected it. You even refused the possibility of using the Old Machines' gifts to achieve it on your species' own terms. You are more like us than we thought.

True unity, understanding, transcendence... sound familiar? That is exactly what the Reapers are offering you in the synthesis ending, all on their terms. The path the Reapers lay out for us.

The fact that we build the Crucible without knowing what it does, is symbolic for the fact that organics literally aren't ready. By building the Crucible, we are again following the path others laid out for us. Technology beyond our comprehension. Using it will lead to our doom. That is why we literally need to blow it up.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:36 .

[Eryri]

Dwailing wrote...

Remember when I was talking about the Mass Effect 3 box art and what BW might be trying to tell us? Look at this article: http://m.ign.com/art...-horribly-corny

I'd like to see what you mean, but after IGN's horrible attitude towards "entitled Gamers" I vowed never to visit their site again. This may sound silly, but I hate the idea that the ad revenue generated from my click-through would go towards paying even a thousandth of a cent's worth of that pompous twerp Colin Moriarty's salary.

Could you give us the gist please?

Modifié par Eryri, 26 octobre 2012 - 10:52 .

[TJBartlemus]

Eryri wrote...

Quick question guys, regarding the theory that all the DLCs would have snippets of extra information that would go toward making one final, huge DLC that would get around the 2Gb limit on Xbox live.

Could someone who understands programming tell me if that is actually possible? Is it feasible for Bioware to encrypt portions of the DLCs so thoroughly that the people data-mining them, who must have been going over each DLC with a fine tooth comb, would be unable to extract them, or even identify them? Please excuse my ignorance, I'm completely clueless about this.

Thanks in advance if anyone knows.

I don't know who's idea it was first (I think it was mine but I am not sure.) but it is quite possible I believe. It might even be happening right now really. Just look at what TSA uncovered. Stuff like "Citadel_Hot" aren't being used at the moment in the game, so it must be for a future DLC.

 

[TJBartlemus]

Does someone have a link to the pastebin list for supposed "DLC scheduel"??

[HellishFiend]

Hey all. Hope everyone is doing well! I apologize to anyone who is checking here to see if CW Ep 3 is coming out today, as it is not. We wanted to do the regular monthly schedule, but it is not working out that way (for the time being, at least). So for now, we're going to just say that we wont know when each ep will be done until we put out a trailer. The trailers will have the release dates and will usually be out 1-2 weeks before the ep is done.

What I can say for sure at this point is that Ep 3 must be done before Omega comes out, so you can definitely expect it before then. The good news is that there will not be a drop in quality for the videos, as the quality is far more important to us than regular release dates.

See you guys later!