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[Bill Casey]

First thing you notice after the white light is Shepard's a stain on the carpet...
I was like, "dude, am I dead? that's a lot of blood"

Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:51 .

[Rifneno]

Well BW seems to be taking a liking to anime now, a genre where the average person has approx. 50 gallons of blood.

[plfranke]

Rifneno wrote...

Well BW seems to be taking a liking to anime now, a genre where the average person has approx. 50 gallons of blood.

lol

[Galifreya]

Here's something fun... For the loading screen that gives tips, are those bread crumbs on either side of the coffee cup? If not, what are they?

It just made me think, "Follow the bread crumbs and wake up."

Because coffee. And bread crumbs. And because it's the screen that gives advice. HEHEM.

Modifié par Gallifreya, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:37 .

[CmdrShep80]

SwobyJ wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

social.bioware.com/898431/polls/41016/

Hacket poll is out.

Seems at minimum, 1/4-1/3 of players find Hackett at least a *bit* suspicious.

Still very outnumbered by those who don't think that at all.

Hackett is more indoctrinated than Shepard, TIM and Rana Thanoptis combined! Everybody accuses other obvious candidates for indoctrination but seems to overlook the one character that poses as a beacon of righteousness. And that's exactly where indoctrination would go unnoticed by anyone.

Two simple question regarding Hackett beeing Indoctrinated, when and how?

I must be sounding like a broken record by now, but Hacket has for everything we are shown in all three Mass Effect games had zero contact with Reaper tech and no direct proximity to a Reaper.

He is a fleet Admiral to the bone, we have never seen him off a ship, never had him mentioned as beeing anywhere but on a ship, no groud missions, nothing. Beyond that he spends allmost all of ME3 overlooking the Crucible project safely hidden away from the Reaper and even as we hit Earth he is still on a ship.

As I allready said Hacket has no known contact with any kind of Reaper tech and if you ask me some of the worst storytelling you can do is making a reval which is not backed by player knowledge in at least some way. But then again under a littral perspective they allready did that.

Yeah it gets to me too.

Here's a few things, just randomish info:

-He was born in South America

-He seemingly wasn't on Arcturus Station when the Reapers attacked and destroyed it

-"His rare ascent from enlisted man to admiral remains an Alliance legend." (now this part could be curious...)

-"Hackett is one of the three officers who recommends Commander Shepard as the first human Spectre." (so he's obviously had an eye on you from the beginning)

-"After Liara T'Soni's confrontation with the Shadow Broker,
if Shepard did not pursue a romance with Liara, she mentions that
Hackett recovered Shepard's dog tags and passed them on to her so that
she could return them to their rightful owner" (wait, where did he get them? Who recovered his body first? Just wondering.)

-"Hackett expresses his distaste at the Illusive Man's
aim to control the Reapers, asserting that he is trying to tame a shark
and that the whole galaxy could end up paying for his misguided intent.
He orders the Commander to kill him" (Remember that a shark is an apex predator. So it's not just TIM making reference to apex predators now, just so we know now.)


-“Never before have so many come together from all quarters of the
galaxy. But never before have we faced an enemy such as this. The
Reapers will show us no mercy, we must give them no quarter. They will
terrorize our populations. We must stand fast in the face of that
terror. They will advance until our last city falls, but we will not
fall. We will prevail. Each of us will be defined by our actions in the
coming battle. Stand fast, stand strong. Stand together. Hackett out.[2]”


I think if he's indoctrinated, its at a VERY VERY low level. Alternatively... he's not indoctrinated, but instead quite willing to use the Alliance to facilitate (start) and fill in any power vaccum in the galaxy, in a much more 'utilitarian' way than Cerberus ever would.

Could the reason for the surprise visit and armed guards on the Normandy be because he suspects Shepard may have fallen under indoctrination?  He just doesn't say anthing about it directly to Shepard (and since we play as Shepard we would not know either)

[Rifneno]

Damnit. I was just watching the trailers again (because they're awesome) and I noticed something for the first time... the marketing campaign was all about taking back Earth. Just Earth. They never told us we'd defeat the Reapers entirely, or even stop this harvest. Earth was all we were promised.

[Rifneno]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Could the reason for the surprise visit and armed guards on the Normandy be because he suspects Shepard may have fallen under indoctrination?  He just doesn't say anthing about it directly to Shepard (and since we play as Shepard we would not know either)

I think he probably gets armed guards all the time.  He's an extremely important person.  I'm not saying he doesn't suspect Shepard might be indoctrinated, he may very well.  But he knows as well as anyone, two guards wouldn't even slow Shepard down.  Two dreadnoughts, maybe. 

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

Damnit. I was just watching the trailers again (because they're awesome) and I noticed something for the first time... the marketing campaign was all about taking back Earth. Just Earth. They never told us we'd defeat the Reapers entirely, or even stop this harvest. Earth was all we were promised.

And we didn't even get to have THAT yet. 

[Krimzie]

magnetite wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

First thing you notice after the white light is Shepard's a stain on the carpet...
I was like, "dude, am I dead? that's a lot of blood"

The camera makes a point to show you the amount of blood. (pause it)

Yeah, that puddle of blood is so blatantly CSI-sized fatal amount right there...

Meanwhile, I don't know if the quality of audio on this video is better or something, but I can hear Makos driving away at 0:38 clearly now! Silly ears. Creepy stuff.

Modifié par Krimzie, 27 octobre 2012 - 07:10 .

[Krimzie]

magnetite wrote...

Krimzie wrote...
Yeah, that puddle of blood is so blatantly CSI-sized fatal amount right there...

Meanwhile, I don't know if the quality of audio on this video is better or something, but I can hear Makos driving away at 0:38 clearly now! Silly ears. Creepy stuff.

Sticks out like a sore thumb.

I couldn't hear anything, but like you said it's pretty faint (audio quality). That, or I'm going deaf. 

The sound effects get a bit different around the 0:39-0:40 mark, but I couldn't hear any Mako or anything. 

I haven't slept for 24 hours, so I could be hallucinating, but you don't think the whirr at 38 seconds sounds very close to http://www.youtube.c...lNxkn7Y#t=0m14s? I could be projecting since I'm staring at crashed Makos in that scene..

[jojon2se]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The point why I post here rather then in other threads is the topic is
generated as an open question. It encompasses any theory that is made.
Other topics only allow discussion about their narrow interpretation.
That is also why I'm puzzled when someone is told to create their own
thread.

100% agreed.

Contrary to what was posted recently, about unbridled speculation driving people away, I find myself having to resist being pushed away, when there are people occasionally talking about going where the evidence leads them, rather than trying to cherrypick and remould evidence to fit any favoured interpretation, but acting the opposite way and being generally unpleasant and intolerant of different interpretations (large and small).

When people even boast about going into other threads and behaving badly there, calling others "idiots" and such, I feel there may be need to check the relative colouring of one's kitchenware.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

--- snip ---

There is the chance the Reapers want to use Shepard for something special, but if they wanted to they could just assume direct control.

Direct control is not the same thing as indoctrination, though (...and I'm not too fond of the recurring description of one as a refinement of the other).
One could even say they are opposite concepts -- one puppeteers somebody, and the Leviathans even choose to leave the puppet's mind entirely untouched, even though they can demonstrably read it and feed it impressions - just putting it in sleep mode while they do their thing, and when they release control, it snaps right back, in its pre-dormant state and with a memory gap; whereas indoctrination is ALL about changing the mind, to which end the reapers' inherited ability would be but one tool.

For one reason or other, it is important to the reapers that they sway Shepard to adopt their values, while otherwise retaining independance and personality.

[Lakeshow1986]

I know this is pretty obvious but the fact that in the breathe scene there are whispers! Whispers that abruptly stop the moment Shepard takes that gasp.

What logical reason could there be for those whispers without the IT explaining it?

[Bill Casey]

I don't hear whispers, sorry...

[Lakeshow1986]

Ah ignore me, it must have been edited in from someone on youtube...

[Gwyphon]

Krimzie wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Krimzie wrote...
Yeah, that puddle of blood is so blatantly CSI-sized fatal amount right there...

Meanwhile, I don't know if the quality of audio on this video is better or something, but I can hear Makos driving away at 0:38 clearly now! Silly ears. Creepy stuff.

Sticks out like a sore thumb.

I couldn't hear anything, but like you said it's pretty faint (audio quality). That, or I'm going deaf. 

The sound effects get a bit different around the 0:39-0:40 mark, but I couldn't hear any Mako or anything. 

I haven't slept for 24 hours, so I could be hallucinating, but you don't think the whirr at 38 seconds sounds very close to http://www.youtube.c...lNxkn7Y#t=0m14s? I could be projecting since I'm staring at crashed Makos in that scene..

It is just a sound indication that the time speed is returning to normal again (no longer slow-mo). Though it does sound awfully like a Mako, I'll give you that.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

I know this is pretty obvious but the fact that in the breathe scene there are whispers! Whispers that abruptly stop the moment Shepard takes that gasp.

What logical reason could there be for those whispers without the IT explaining it?

Out of the many times I've seen the breath scene, both original and EC version, I've never heard whispers.

The sounds of a building settling, the wind, some kind of ticking, a high pitched whistle, then a gasp.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Ah ignore me, it must have been edited in from someone on youtube...

Oh! I think I know the one you're talking about, and yes that was doen for dramatic effect. Cool though.

[spotlessvoid]

I think the disdain many have for synthesis and it's supporters is more complex then a disagreement over a video game ending. The narcissism and faux intellectualism displayed In advocating for the complete and irreversible usurping of freedom of choice and annihilation of natural life, is in my opinion deeply unsettling. It shows a truly pretentious worldview and a deep disdain for humanity. People who think imposing their beliefs on others is not only justified, but morally superior, are profoundly conceited and dangerous to a free society. It is reprehensible and deserves to be called out for what it is. The fact that it's done with no assurance of it even being possible, and no knowledge of the consequences is even more appalling.

[FFZero]

Hey guys, just at the MCMExpo waiting for the panel to start. I'll try to get some questions in if they do a fan Q&A. Fingers crossed they give out some info on Omega DLC.

[Restrider]

starlitegirlx wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The thing is it's a long personalized trilogy with a huge emotional investment in all the characters, especially the protagonist. It's not some trippy movie where you don't know exactly what is really going on, but you're not that attached to the characters that it supersedes your appreciation of the art factor of the ambiguous ending. The highly emotional impact of the characters and their relationship with the protagonist you've been shaping for hundreds of hours shouldn't be abandoned in the name of artsy vagueness, especially when there is that tremendous amount of ambiguity about everything. I understand letting things run their course, but the point has been made and this story deserves more answers than what we got

Shameless,I know.

My point is the indoctrination of the player base has been wildly successful. Time to take the next step and blow their minds. There really should be an explanation provided on what actually happened because it's too open ended. Things need to be clarified at least somewhat

That's my thinking. Also, it then is elevated beyond what it is. Any media that can pull off such a masterfully done mindscrew to the point where only a minority got it until the final reveal is truly one that people will never forget and will have a kind of legendary status.

Who knows, if this was really intentional, fleshed out and planned, this might have impact even in sciences like psychology, anthropology and political studies.
You have a large number of test-subjects, you have the numbers (legacy save, polls etc.) and then you can start to work through all the data.
It really may be a good way to study RL-indoctrination and propaganda...