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[AxStapleton]

CoolioThane wrote...

EC provides no closure to squad mates. That's all I wanted from it but we're left toske it up for ourselves

Yeah, all I got was: Squadmates didn't teleport, Certain squadmates won't starve, whole fleets won't starve, end.

[CoolioThane]

AxStapleton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

EC provides no closure to squad mates. That's all I wanted from it but we're left toske it up for ourselves

Yeah, all I got was: Squadmates didn't teleport, Certain squadmates won't starve, whole fleets won't starve, end.

Just let me know what happens to Garrus for **** sake

[Andromidius]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Just figured I'd come in here are drop this off:

Chris Priestly-

[i]I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes"
as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop
whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not
plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or
subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

He's a liar.  I know he keeps saying he's not, but he is.  They repeatedly stated the EC wouldn't change the endings, or add any more endings.

They changed every single ending.  Some much moreso then others!  And they added another ending!

Relays always blow up and strand all the fleets?  Don't worry guys, we'll retcon it!

Squadmates return from the dead or teleport halfway across the Galaxy?  Don't worry guys, we'll retcon it!

Joker is a coward?  Don't worry guys, we'll retcon it!

Etc.

Not to mention Bioware have repeatedly said the line 'we consider all of ME3 to be the ending of Mass Effect'.  So changing ANYTHING about ANY aspect of the game is changing the ending!  Sorry Bioware, but if you want to take that stance to avoid lack of closure, you need to accept it when its less convieniant to you too!

Problem with liars is you can never tell when they are telling the truth.  This new 'the EC is the complete and final ending' stance might be true - but nearly every other statement made by them has been false.

Unless he's changed his opinion in that the ending is the Stargazer scene.  Which, opps, they added a second new one!  Or the Breath scene, meaning 3 endings are actually defeats (which goes against other things they've said about there being no 'right' ending - except when asked which is their favourite and they heavily imply Synthesis is amazing and the best (vomit))...  Or the DLC message... oh wait, removed.

So I'm confused by Bioware's repeated insistance that they won't change the endings.  Because you sure as hell like to keep changing them, and generally doing the opposite of the things you claim you're doing!

Not to mention changing dialogue with Starbinger should change the context of the endings.  Unless they make Shepard even more dumb and blind, and still expect us to believe the Reapers aren't evil after meeting one of them and having a 'heart to heart' with it about the nature of Reapers...

...and that saying paid single player DLC won't change endings ot give new endings.  What's the incentive for any RPG fan to buy it?  Where's the incentive for the hardcore fans to do multiple replays with different outcomes?

Sigh, Bioware.  Just stop it and start being honest please.

[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

EC provides no closure to squad mates. That's all I wanted from it but we're left toske it up for ourselves

Yeah, all I got was: Squadmates didn't teleport, Certain squadmates won't starve, whole fleets won't starve, end.

Just let me know what happens to Garrus for **** sake

That's all I (and so many other) wanted: Proper closure for Shepard and his/her squad. Not the galaxy. I mean that too but as a secondary. I also want my heavily forshadowed little blue babies!  Oh well, I'm tired, I'll see you guys tomorrow (and some of you later today )

[Andromidius]

CoolioThane wrote...

EC provides no closure to squad mates. That's all I wanted from it but we're left toske it up for ourselves

Oh yeah, another lie.  They said we'd get clarity and closure, and that all our questions would be answered.

I'm still waiting.

[estebanus]

So besides of that Priestly lockdown message, what else has been happening around here?

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

So besides of that Priestly lockdown message, what else has been happening around here?

Nothing  Anyway goodnight Estebanus I'll see you in a few hours.

[CoolioThane]

Listen to yourself, Bioware, you're INDOCTRINATED!!

[estebanus]

Goodnight, Banshee.<3

Modifié par estebanus, 04 août 2012 - 08:37 .

[RavenEyry]

CoolioThane wrote...

Listen to yourself, Bioware, you're INDOCTRINATED!!

By the rEApers?

[AxStapleton]

Andromidius wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Just figured I'd come in here are drop this off:

Chris Priestly-

[i]I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes"
as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop
whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not
plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or
subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

He's a liar.  I know he keeps saying he's not, but he is.  They repeatedly stated the EC wouldn't change the endings, or add any more endings.

They changed every single ending.  Some much moreso then others!  And they added another ending!

Relays always blow up and strand all the fleets?  Don't worry guys, we'll retcon it!

Squadmates return from the dead or teleport halfway across the Galaxy?  Don't worry guys, we'll retcon it!

Joker is a coward?  Don't worry guys, we'll retcon it!

Etc.

Not to mention Bioware have repeatedly said the line 'we consider all of ME3 to be the ending of Mass Effect'.  So changing ANYTHING about ANY aspect of the game is changing the ending!  Sorry Bioware, but if you want to take that stance to avoid lack of closure, you need to accept it when its less convieniant to you too!

Problem with liars is you can never tell when they are telling the truth.  This new 'the EC is the complete and final ending' stance might be true - but nearly every other statement made by them has been false.

Unless he's changed his opinion in that the ending is the Stargazer scene.  Which, opps, they added a second new one!  Or the Breath scene, meaning 3 endings are actually defeats (which goes against other things they've said about there being no 'right' ending - except when asked which is their favourite and they heavily imply Synthesis is amazing and the best (vomit))...  Or the DLC message... oh wait, removed.

So I'm confused by Bioware's repeated insistance that they won't change the endings.  Because you sure as hell like to keep changing them, and generally doing the opposite of the things you claim you're doing!

Not to mention changing dialogue with Starbinger should change the context of the endings.  Unless they make Shepard even more dumb and blind, and still expect us to believe the Reapers aren't evil after meeting one of them and having a 'heart to heart' with it about the nature of Reapers...

...and that saying paid single player DLC won't change endings ot give new endings.  What's the incentive for any RPG fan to buy it?  Where's the incentive for the hardcore fans to do multiple replays with different outcomes?

Sigh, Bioware.  Just stop it and start being honest please.

They did completely retcon certain segments of the endings (Mass relays only getting "damaged" in high EMS endings) which they explicitly said they wouldn't be doing.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 04 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[Hrothdane]

The boat got rocked and a few people fell overboard, but the rest of us are still here.

[Andromidius]

AxStapleton wrote...
They did retcon certain segments of the endings (Mass relays only getting "damaged" in high EMS endings) which they explicitly said they wouldn't be doing.

Yep.  And it wasn't even small things, they completely changed the pacing and implied outcome of the galaxy.  If that's not changing the ending, then I guess putting square wheels on a car is not changing the performance of the car.

[AxStapleton]

Sareth Cousland wrote...


Andromidius, Chris' statements are based on what is within his freedom to say, corporate-wise. I say give him a break and don't call him a "liar" for doing his job as a community manager.

Besides, read his post (especially the first two paragraphs) again - I think there is a lot of potential that down the road, Mass Effect 3 is at least close to what you want it to be.

No, its just that Bioware have PROVEN to be serial liars, so the "corporate message" currently out may well just be a lie like all the others.

They've often done this to their benefit and to the benefit of their games. Doesn't make them any less liars.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 04 août 2012 - 08:52 .

[Andromidius]

Sareth Cousland wrote...
Andromidius, Chris' statements are based on what is within his freedom to say, corporate-wise. I say give him a break and don't call him a "liar" for doing his job as a community manager.

Besides, read his post (especially the first two paragraphs) again - I think there is a lot of potential that down the road, Mass Effect 3 is at least close to what you want it to be.

Why should we give him a break when he's spreading misinformation and insulting people?  Because he's paid to do it?

Sorry, but if someone is paid to be the face of a company they need to act professonally.  So every time he lies, Bioware is lying.

Guess what he's also in his freedom to do?  Not lie.  He's free to not talk about anything bar what he's allowed to say.  He's free to say 'the endings are open to personal interpretation' and other frustrating doubletalk.

He's not free to barefaced lie, and expect us to swallow it.  That's just insulting.

[legaldinho]

get a grip guys. The ending will not change. But after leviathan you will have more clues.

The key is this: will leviathan mention the starchild AI? If he does, it will put paid to the "hallucination" theory in the sense that the ending happens in shep's head- unless the dream starts before leviathan's events. Which I find unpalatable.

It will not put payto a theory that the events are an indoctrination attempt, while actually occurring in the real, physical world- but that for me is not IT and is a lot less neat, intellectually fulfilling, and rich.

If Leviathan does not directly corroborate the existence of the AI, then IT is alive and well.

The fact that the ending won't change isn't what matters. It's the evidence, stupid.

Modifié par legaldinho, 04 août 2012 - 08:45 .

[RavenEyry]

Less lies and more possible misinformation at the moment. Bioware says a lot of contradictory things and everyone (whatever side they're on) should stop dissecting every single comment and just let events speak for themselves.

[AxStapleton]

legaldinho wrote...

get a grip guys. The ending will not change. But after leviathan you will have more clues.

The key is this: will leviathan mention the starchild AI? If he does, it will put paid to the "hallucination" theory in the sense that the ending happens in shep's head- unless the dream starts before leviathan's events.

It will not put paid to a theory that the events are an indoctrination attempt, while actually occurring in the real, physical world- but that for me is not IT and is a lot less neat, intellectually fulfilling, and rich.

If Leviathan does not directly corroborate the existence of the AI, then IT is alive and well.

The fact that the ending won't change isn't what matters. It's the evidence, stupid.

Anybody lost a grip?

[legaldinho]

calling chris a liar, bioware are indoctrinated etc. It doesn't speak well of our maturity. Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it.

[AxStapleton]

legaldinho wrote...

calling chris a liar, bioware are indoctrinated etc. It doesn't speak well of our maturity. Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it.

No, we were providing evidence to the fact that they have indeed lied  before and are likely to do it again but of course this is inconsequential.

[Andromidius]

RavenEyry wrote...

Less lies and more possible misinformation at the moment. Bioware says a lot of contradictory things and everyone (whatever side they're on) should stop dissecting every single comment and just let events speak for themselves.

Misinformation = lies.  They are so barefaced about it, its hard to believe.

And events have spoken for themselves.  Bioware have been given (and gave themselves) every oppertunity to prove themselves.  And every time they'd rather play this little game and insult their fans.

It makes me sick.  IT or no, this is unacceptable behaviour from a company.

[Andromidius]

legaldinho wrote...

calling chris a liar, bioware are indoctrinated etc. It doesn't speak well of our maturity. Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it.

I'm very mature.  Its why I stated my reasoning why he's a liar rather then rail off insults.

Not calling someone's bull**** is immature.  Its also cowardly, hiding your head between your legs and hoping it'll all blow over.

By that logic you shouldn't put criminals in court either, since you're accusing them of something bad.

Yeah, no.  I call liars liars.  If they don't want to be called liars, they need to stop lying.  Pretty simple and fair.

And calling people you disagree with immature is...very ironic.

[RavenEyry]

legaldinho wrote...

calling chris a liar, bioware are indoctrinated etc. It doesn't speak well of our maturity. Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it.

Bioware are well known for lies, misinformation and doubletalk lately. You don't need to lose grip to assume this is a lie. The indoctrinated Bioware comments are what we call a JOKE, you may have heard reference to such things beore.

[legaldinho]

what is it that Chris lied about?