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[Heimdall]

Davik Kang wrote...
The ending is whatever you picked.  The consequences are for all of us to ponder.

The EC slides do little more than draw out what was already implied by the final conversation...

You can prefer what you like, but some players are trying to figure out the meaning behind some of the events in the series and the writers' choices to implement them as they did...

What "goes against" what exactly is subject to interpretation...

But at least you should be able to see that the idea of IT was put in by the writers.  Whether or not it's the 'true ending'... well that's another thing we'll have to decide for oursleves.

I don't think IT was put in by the Writers at all.  It was conjured up by players desperate for an ending besides the heap of poor writing we were given.  The writers like that you're willing to believe they're that clever.  I've looked for meaning and I've concluded that there are too many conflicting points for the endings to be anything but bad writing.

The EC slides tell us what happens as a result of our choices.  That is what they do.

The ending is whatever we picked, I agree, I'm just sick of people telling me the ending I chose to enslave the galaxy to the Reapers or at least Shepard and that Destroy is the only option Shepard should pick.

[Restrider]

Well, then you shouldn't be lurking/posting in this thread, since it is kind of obvious that you won't find a lot of support for Synthesis here...
It's like going into a gay-bar and then complain about homosexuality.
If you cannot tolerate a thing then try to avoid it instead of looking for confrontation/exposition.

Modifié par Restrider, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:12 .

[Ithurael]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I don't think IT was put in by the Writers at all.  It was conjured up by players desperate for an ending besides the heap of poor writing we were given.  The writers like that you're willing to believe they're that clever.  I've looked for meaning and I've concluded that there are too many conflicting points for the endings to be anything but bad writing.

The EC slides tell us what happens as a result of our choices.  That is what they do.

The ending is whatever we picked, I agree, I'm just sick of people telling me the ending I chose to enslave the galaxy to the Reapers or at least Shepard and that Destroy is the only option Shepard should pick.

Synthesis goes against every core theme of ME 1-2.9

Control is slightly more acceptable for renegade players I suppose but it breaks the reapers in ME1 - 2 (we are each a nation, independant)

Destroy is more acceptable as it - without a shadow of a doubt - stops the reapers and the cycle and it keeps to the core themes of ME.

Refuse is the MOST in universe and acceptable ending for shepard - except you all die.

And IT at this point is an interpretation, not canon.

[Samtheman63]

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Modifié par Samtheman63, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:14 .

[Samtheman63]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...
The ending is whatever you picked.  The consequences are for all of us to ponder.

The EC slides do little more than draw out what was already implied by the final conversation...

You can prefer what you like, but some players are trying to figure out the meaning behind some of the events in the series and the writers' choices to implement them as they did...

What "goes against" what exactly is subject to interpretation...

But at least you should be able to see that the idea of IT was put in by the writers.  Whether or not it's the 'true ending'... well that's another thing we'll have to decide for oursleves.

I don't think IT was put in by the Writers at all.  It was conjured up by players desperate for an ending besides the heap of poor writing we were given.  The writers like that you're willing to believe they're that clever.  I've looked for meaning and I've concluded that there are too many conflicting points for the endings to be anything but bad writing.

The EC slides tell us what happens as a result of our choices.  That is what they do.

The ending is whatever we picked, I agree, I'm just sick of people telling me the ending I chose to enslave the galaxy to the Reapers or at least Shepard and that Destroy is the only option Shepard should pick.

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.

[CmdrShep80]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

found another piece of interesting evidence
be sure to check it out

Not everything in that video is valid though, some of the sounds are indeed Reaper sounds, others are not. This video doesn't make any distinction though.

it didn't have to. It was focused on noise that we all shouldn't have because we, our computer speakers/tv speakers can't play it. So why add extra sound clips for things we'd never hear?  I would like to see if that sound is present during the vigil scene in ME 1 during the vendetta scene during ME 3 and what point in the 3 games does the sound actually begins. Plus it wouldn't hurt to see what sounds are there on the various Prothean beacons. I'm suspecting a few are not what they are

[CmdrShep80]

Krimzie wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

First thing you notice after the white light is Shepard's a stain on the carpet...
I was like, "dude, am I dead? that's a lot of blood"

The camera makes a point to show you the amount of blood. (pause it)

Yeah, that puddle of blood is so blatantly CSI-sized fatal amount right there...

Meanwhile, I don't know if the quality of audio on this video is better or something, but I can hear Makos driving away at 0:38 clearly now! Silly ears. Creepy stuff.

Im wondering, I don't think there was any blood when Shepard wakes up on the citadel floor with the kid. 

[paxxton]

Samtheman63 wrote...

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insightful

[Restrider]

Ithurael wrote...
Synthesis goes against every core theme of ME 1-2.9

Control is slightly more acceptable for renegade players I suppose but it breaks the reapers in ME1 - 2 (we are each a nation, independant)

Destroy is more acceptable as it - without a shadow of a doubt - stops the reapers and the cycle and it keeps to the core themes of ME.

Refuse is the MOST in universe and acceptable ending for shepard - except you all die.

And IT at this point is an interpretation, not canon.

QFT

[Heimdall]

Ithurael wrote..
Synthesis goes against every core theme of ME 1-2.9

Control is slightly more acceptable for renegade players I suppose but it breaks the reapers in ME1 - 2 (we are each a nation, independant)

Destroy is more acceptable as it - without a shadow of a doubt - stops the reapers and the cycle and it keeps to the core themes of ME.

Refuse is the MOST in universe and acceptable ending for shepard - except you all die.

And IT at this point is an interpretation, not canon.

It doesn't actually.  Technophobia is not a core theme of Mass Effect and Synthesis falls quite well with Legion's sacrifice.

Like I said, the current endings were bad writing, what more is there to say?

I know what it is.

[paxxton]

How come when I add text color to my posts via the extended form's control, it is ignored when I post it?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:28 .

[Samtheman63]

paxxton wrote...

How come when I add text color to my posts via the extended form's control, it is ignored when I post it?

i dunno, does this work?

poop



wierd, i made the first sentence red and blue and poop green, but only poop worked

now ive edited my post poop is no longer green, wtf

Modifié par Samtheman63, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Davik Kang]

Lord Aesir wrote...
I don't think IT was put in by the Writers at all.  

I'm all for different opinions and interpretations etc. but this is one thing I cannot comprehend.

Dude... Indoctrination is a massive theme throughout the trilogy.

You spend the last 15 minutes, immediately before the Kid scene, talking to TIM about nothing but indoctrination.  With big squiggly indoctrination lines coming up at the edge of the screen.

You have dreams throughout the game, and then, after the Reaper blast knocks you down, you get up in a sequence which looks and sounds just like the dream sequences.

Even ignoring all the weird crap that happens during Priority:Earth and on the Citadel, surely you can at least see that the above things were put in by the writers to make you think about two things:

- If you think you can control the Reapers, are you indoctrinated?

- Is this real, or a dream?

The things I pointed out above don't prove that anything is a dream or that the end is an indoctrination attempt.  But surely... SURELY... you can see that the writers want you to ask yourself these questions?  Surely?????

Why did they make you walk to the beam in a dream-like sequence?  Why did they spend 15 minutes talking about indoctrination immediately before the final choice?????

You don't have to agree that it's a dream or indoctrination - in fact I think it's clear Bioware didn't want everybody to draw the same conclusions - but to say that the writers didn't put the IT ideas in there?  I can't comprehend it.  If you can explain the above, please enlighten me.

[Heimdall]

Samtheman63 wrote...
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations

Nice, I totally didn't know any of that <_<

I just realize what you choose to interpret as symptoms of indoctrination a can also be PTSD and actual events rather than hallucination.  Which I find more likely.

[spotlessvoid]

We know the EC isn't canon because synthesis is portrayed as good. End of discussion

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:33 .

[Leonia]

Uh oh, he said PTSD and has a synthesis banner..

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Restrider wrote...

Well, then you shouldn't be lurking/posting in this thread, since it is kind of obvious that you won't find a lot of support for Synthesis here...
It's like going into a gay-bar and then complain about homosexuality.
If you cannot tolerate a thing then try to avoid it instead of looking for confrontation/exposition.

Restrider.... Did you just compare us to a gay bar? Hahaha there are so  many way better comparisons but probably none as visual 

[CmdrShep80]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Ah ignore me, it must have been edited in from someone on youtube...

Oh! I think I know the one you're talking about, and yes that was doen for dramatic effect. Cool though.

Which one are you referring to.  It would help so we know

[Samtheman63]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations

Nice, I totally didn't know any of that <_<

I just realize what you choose to interpret as symptoms of indoctrination a can also be PTSD and actual events rather than hallucination.  Which I find more likely.

PTSD does not mak you see ghostly presences, nor does it make you trust your enemy

[spotlessvoid]

Reposted for that special someone

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think the disdain many have for synthesis and it's supporters is more complex then a disagreement over a video game ending. The narcissism and faux intellectualism displayed In advocating for the complete and irreversible usurping of freedom of choice and annihilation of natural life, is in my opinion deeply unsettling. It shows a truly pretentious worldview and a deep disdain for humanity. People who think imposing their beliefs on others is not only justified, but morally superior, are profoundly conceited and dangerous to a free society. It is reprehensible and deserves to be called out for what it is. The fact that it's done with no assurance of it even being possible, and no knowledge of the consequences is even more appalling.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

spotlessvoid wrote...

We know the EC isn't canon because synthesis is portrayed as good. End of discussion

QFT 
Also hey guys how many pages and threads does Synthesis have? How many do we have?

[Heimdall]

Davik Kang wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
I don't think IT was put in by the Writers at all.  

I'm all for different opinions and interpretations etc. but this is one thing I cannot comprehend.

Dude... Indoctrination is a massive theme throughout the trilogy.

You spend the last 15 minutes, immediately before the Kid scene, talking to TIM about nothing but indoctrination.  With big squiggly indoctrination lines coming up at the edge of the screen.

You have dreams throughout the game, and then, after the Reaper blast knocks you down, you get up in a sequence which looks and sounds just like the dream sequences.

Even ignoring all the weird crap that happens during Priority:Earth and on the Citadel, surely you can at least see that the above things were put in by the writers to make you think about two things:

- If you think you can control the Reapers, are you indoctrinated?

- Is this real, or a dream?

The things I pointed out above don't prove that anything is a dream or that the end is an indoctrination attempt.  But surely... SURELY... you can see that the writers want you to ask yourself these questions?  Surely?????

Why did they make you walk to the beam in a dream-like sequence?  Why did they spend 15 minutes talking about indoctrination immediately before the final choice?????

You don't have to agree that it's a dream or indoctrination - in fact I think it's clear Bioware didn't want everybody to draw the same conclusions - but to say that the writers didn't put the IT ideas in there?  I can't comprehend it.  If you can explain the above, please enlighten me.

I think those things were put there to communicate how badly hurt and disorientated Shepard is at that point.  That's all.

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...

We know the EC isn't canon because synthesis is portrayed as good. End of discussion

I'm pretty sure the Synthesis ending is a dream.  Did you see the thing I pointed out about clevernoob's find?  It went over his head completely, but it strongly suggests that the Synthesis ending is a dream ending.  Not sure about the others yet...