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I'm off, wife is on lunch and wants to use the puter.

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While your point is a good one, I'm not sure how it's relevant to what I'm saying - sorry if I've misunderstood.

The slides are improved depending on your EMS rating.  You 'see what you want to see' relative to how big your army was.  Why do we still get a bad Jacob slide in Synthesis?  The point I made is one possible explanation.

It's a separate issue, but I think if the endings are to be taken at all literally, they are from best to worst

High EMS Destroy
Mid EMS Destroy (need a YouTube vid to confirm this!)
High EMS Control
Low EMS Control
Low EMS Destroy
Synthesis/Refuse


my signature on the ending comparisons has the comparison for all 3 destroys 2 controls and 1 synthesis. I also saved a bunch on my favorites. I can try to look for those later

Yes, I watched that comparison. Very useful. A couple interesting things I noticed:
1. The EC basically added a "high EMS" ending for everything. The original endings are turned into the low EMS EC endings.
2. The soldiers cheer in destroy, and even in control sometimes, but never in synthesis. My guess is, that's why the asari are replaced by the turians in synthesis. You can't see the turians in destroy/control because they are not cheering. Likewise, you can't see the asari in synthesis because they are cheering. I can't think of any other reason. Can you?

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Agreed, only sad part is all my XBL friends who played ME3 stopped playing MP around April, so I have to make do with PUGs.  We usually reach extraction in virtually all of the silver games but my best character is a Quarian Infiltrator and her Widow isn't strong enough for gold matches.  If I can't even headshot  a Cerberus Trooper and get an instakill on Gold, then clearly my Sniper Rifle needs a few upgrades...

I think a level 1 Mantis with no mods and no gear will one-hit-kill a trooper on gold. Could be wrong though. Cloaking alone will make it 1-hit-kill.

Edit: Top!

You're right actually, I meant to say Centurion.  even with cloak on I still can't kill them with a headshot, well not with just one headshot anyway.  sure he gets severely weakened but that usually leads to me getting assist points.  I often feel my best controbution to a match is when I can instakill weaker enemies and sometimes 3-4 shot enemies like atlases or Brutes.  If I can't do that, then I dont feel as efffective as I would like to be. 

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I never even made it to soloing bronze. Never cared to do it. I probably could but I'd rather have a team and get more points if I'm wasting my time. Points = levels and levels = promotes so that soon enough I will never have to even think about playing MP if I don't want to when playing ME3 as well as all the dumb fetches. Don't mind hitting a few systems fast, but most of them are a pain.

Nobody I've played silver with yesterday or today uses mics. I'm with strangers. My gaming friends are not around these days and I never played A LOT with them due to their schedules, so it's pretty limited. Plus, I think MP play has gone down and will continue to go down until people get something new for the MP. Also, borderlands came out and people are probably playing that along with other big releases. But I really need to get better at Silver. I had been getting 50 kills here and there on bronze so I figured I was ready. Before that I was averaging 25 kills. I'm getting better with the guns, but a lot of gang assaults in silver make it really hard to survive. Seems like ambush city.

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The Fifth Fleet, Hackett's fleet , is said to be tasked with protecting Arcturus Station. However, it is not destroyed, while other fleets are. More pressingly, the codex actually says that Hackett sacrificed the 2nd fleet so that the 3rd and 5th could survive. Is this really the action of a hero? The 2nd fleet by the way was the one that saved Shanxi from the Turians.


See, this crap is what I mean. "He made the choice for some to survive instead of letting them all die, he's a bad guy!" By your... "logic", Shepard is a bad guy too because he left Grunt behind to die on Utukku.

Rif, you mean Shepard is bad because they chose destroy (let some people die) and should have chosen refuse (let everyone die.) Posted Image

Ruthless calculus of war.

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The Fifth Fleet, Hackett's fleet , is said to be tasked with protecting Arcturus Station. However, it is not destroyed, while other fleets are. More pressingly, the codex actually says that Hackett sacrificed the 2nd fleet so that the 3rd and 5th could survive. Is this really the action of a hero? The 2nd fleet by the way was the one that saved Shanxi from the Turians.


See, this crap is what I mean. "He made the choice for some to survive instead of letting them all die, he's a bad guy!" By your... "logic", Shepard is a bad guy too because he left Grunt behind to die on Utukku.

Rif, you mean Shepard is bad because they chose destroy (let some people die) and should have chosen refuse (let everyone die.) Posted Image

Ruthless calculus of war.


Those Ruthless calculus of war quotes should be supporting destroy quotes since they do foreshadow the options as explained by the brat. I think there are even some regarding sacrafice, but I'm a little brain foggy now so not remembering what they were or even if I just think they were but they weren't. :lol:

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while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.

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The Speculations will never end if they keep teasin' forever:

twitter.com/BioEvilChris/status/262291228543025153
"There is more DLC coming after Omega, but we don't have a set date when DLC will stop."


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You know, I think Priestly is just screwing with us on this "Project X" announcement. It's likely in reference to an entirely new game, but it is interesting.

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Arashi08 wrote...

while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.


I completed the challenge in two games with the crusader on my krogan sentinel.

With the piercing mod and the choke, you can shoot people through their cover from half the map away.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

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The Fifth Fleet, Hackett's fleet , is said to be tasked with protecting Arcturus Station. However, it is not destroyed, while other fleets are. More pressingly, the codex actually says that Hackett sacrificed the 2nd fleet so that the 3rd and 5th could survive. Is this really the action of a hero? The 2nd fleet by the way was the one that saved Shanxi from the Turians.


See, this crap is what I mean. "He made the choice for some to survive instead of letting them all die, he's a bad guy!" By your... "logic", Shepard is a bad guy too because he left Grunt behind to die on Utukku.

Rif, you mean Shepard is bad because they chose destroy (let some people die) and should have chosen refuse (let everyone die.) Posted Image

Ruthless calculus of war.


Those Ruthless calculus of war quotes should be supporting destroy quotes since they do foreshadow the options as explained by the brat. I think there are even some regarding sacrafice, but I'm a little brain foggy now so not remembering what they were or even if I just think they were but they weren't. :lol:

I was actually using them to support destroy. I was being sarcastic. I can't beat Rif for sarcasm though. That's why I put the winky face. Posted Image

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Arashi08 wrote...

while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.

"N& weapons" Posted Image

Anyway, it doesn't have to be in one game or with one weapon. I used all 4 to get the challenge. I can give you some tips on how to use them if you want.

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Arashi08 wrote...

while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.


I completed the challenge in two games with the crusader on my krogan sentinel.

With the piercing mod and the choke, you can shoot people through their cover from half the map away.

Useless; Smart Choke does nothing on the Crusader. Sorry. It's a slug shotgun, that is it fires one round instead of a standard shotgun spread. Therefore (like the Reegar Carbine, Plasma Shotgun, and Spike Thrower) SC does not help the weapon in the slightest. Use the Extended Barrel instead. Posted Image

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while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.


I went with the eagle on my adept human. I have the eagle and some other piece of crap. Useless. I'd say it depends on what character you are playing. If you have a character that functions off one weapon mostly, then put one of those lightweight pistol things on the eagle and it shouldn't change anything. Just use that character till you hit the 50k points.

I find it commical that in the game the conversation with vega talks about N7 getting the best gear, the best everything and then they come out with crap N7 stuff I wouldn't use ever for the MP. I hate to say it but I prefer cerberus harrier as my weapon of choice, particularly after a promote. I'm not a sniper. Tried it and really didn't work for me. In the game, I use cerberus armor. They may be lead by a lunatic, but their stuff is damn good. N7 is crap. Wait, the harrier is a cerberus harrier, right?

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starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I never even made it to soloing bronze. Never cared to do it. I probably could but I'd rather have a team and get more points if I'm wasting my time. Points = levels and levels = promotes so that soon enough I will never have to even think about playing MP if I don't want to when playing ME3 as well as all the dumb fetches. Don't mind hitting a few systems fast, but most of them are a pain.

Nobody I've played silver with yesterday or today uses mics. I'm with strangers. My gaming friends are not around these days and I never played A LOT with them due to their schedules, so it's pretty limited. Plus, I think MP play has gone down and will continue to go down until people get something new for the MP. Also, borderlands came out and people are probably playing that along with other big releases. But I really need to get better at Silver. I had been getting 50 kills here and there on bronze so I figured I was ready. Before that I was averaging 25 kills. I'm getting better with the guns, but a lot of gang assaults in silver make it really hard to survive. Seems like ambush city.

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oh btw isn't this latest operation scheduled to be the one we are supposed to fail?

Since the introduction of Retaliation, there have been no allied operations. They claim that they may do more in the future, but these operations are now individual goals only. Simply put, it's impossible to fail unless you don't do it.


i kind of wish for those of us who missed the earlier ops we can select some sort of replay and if we succeed or fail we would get the pack or not. But then they are playing it like real life. Maybe they are moving toward the quiet before the storm

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Arashi08 wrote...

while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.


I use a phaston with an eagle. Eagles hit the bosses pretty hard and are reliable until you can get a valkyrie rifle.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

oh btw isn't this latest operation scheduled to be the one we are supposed to fail?

Since the introduction of Retaliation, there have been no allied operations. They claim that they may do more in the future, but these operations are now individual goals only. Simply put, it's impossible to fail unless you don't do it.


i kind of wish for those of us who missed the earlier ops we can select some sort of replay and if we succeed or fail we would get the pack or not. But then they are playing it like real life. Maybe they are moving toward the quiet before the storm

I played the earilier ops and they don't even have them up for me.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.


I went with the eagle on my adept human. I have the eagle and some other piece of crap. Useless. I'd say it depends on what character you are playing. If you have a character that functions off one weapon mostly, then put one of those lightweight pistol things on the eagle and it shouldn't change anything. Just use that character till you hit the 50k points.

I find it commical that in the game the conversation with vega talks about N7 getting the best gear, the best everything and then they come out with crap N7 stuff I wouldn't use ever for the MP. I hate to say it but I prefer cerberus harrier as my weapon of choice, particularly after a promote. I'm not a sniper. Tried it and really didn't work for me. In the game, I use cerberus armor. They may be lead by a lunatic, but their stuff is damn good. N7 is crap. Wait, the harrier is a cerberus harrier, right?

All the N7 weapons are good. Most are misunderstood. Yes, I'm serious. Not pointing fingers here, but I mean people generally don't understant how to use them effectively, and after one game of using them, throw them away. It would be much easier to explain using a mic though. Anyone want to play? We could get a game going.

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Arashi08 wrote...

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Agreed, only sad part is all my XBL friends who played ME3 stopped playing MP around April, so I have to make do with PUGs.  We usually reach extraction in virtually all of the silver games but my best character is a Quarian Infiltrator and her Widow isn't strong enough for gold matches.  If I can't even headshot  a Cerberus Trooper and get an instakill on Gold, then clearly my Sniper Rifle needs a few upgrades...

I think a level 1 Mantis with no mods and no gear will one-hit-kill a trooper on gold. Could be wrong though. Cloaking alone will make it 1-hit-kill.

Edit: Top!

You're right actually, I meant to say Centurion.  even with cloak on I still can't kill them with a headshot, well not with just one headshot anyway.  sure he gets severely weakened but that usually leads to me getting assist points.  I often feel my best controbution to a match is when I can instakill weaker enemies and sometimes 3-4 shot enemies like atlases or Brutes.  If I can't do that, then I dont feel as efffective as I would like to be. 

Yeah, snipers don't seem to be as useful on gold as they are on silver/bronze. But if you set it up right, they can be. The only issue here is the enemy shield-gate on gold. Gear like Vulnerability VI obviously helps negate that somewhat. A cloaked headshot easily kills anything from a Nemesis to a Phantom on gold in my Geth Infiltrator that has a Widow (Legion :D)

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The Speculations will never end if they keep teasin' forever:

twitter.com/BioEvilChris/status/262291228543025153
"There is more DLC coming after Omega, but we don't have a set date when DLC will stop."


It will stop when people stop buying it enough to justify not making it. As is, it seems that won't be anytime soon. If they can make decent money on the work they do for the DLC, which isn't a lot when you think of it since it's got size limits and never seems to even include much for options or choices, then they will keep at it and keep feeding it to us. We'll probably end up with about 6 post game DLCs by the time they are done. More than four, I'm sure since they did 3 for ME2 and Leviathan is rumored to have sold big. If Omega sells as well, they'll keep at it. And none of it will change anything though they may begin to give us more clarity on certain points, like IT. Hard to tell. Seems they just give us enough to play with while not clear enough to be bold about it.

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The eagle is crap but at its low weight its at least a passable sidearm. The hurricane is awesome, but only if you're in CQC. It's garbage if you use it at range. The valiant is one of the best sniper rifles in the game, though that's not saying much. The crusader is a great weapon once you get used to the way it handles, but it weighs as much as a pregnant krogan.

I haven't bothered with the challenge, still debating on whether I should waste a half hour on it. I haven't played since the last Tuesday changes. I'm completely fed up with the idiocy of the balance changes and the game's just not enjoyable anymore for me. Geth stunlock too much? They say they're looking into it, and then give geth more ways to stun. The last patch and collectors made the game harder than intended? They say they acknowledge the problem and are looking into it, and then nerf the most popular classes. It's bull****.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.


I went with the eagle on my adept human. I have the eagle and some other piece of crap. Useless. I'd say it depends on what character you are playing. If you have a character that functions off one weapon mostly, then put one of those lightweight pistol things on the eagle and it shouldn't change anything. Just use that character till you hit the 50k points.

I find it commical that in the game the conversation with vega talks about N7 getting the best gear, the best everything and then they come out with crap N7 stuff I wouldn't use ever for the MP. I hate to say it but I prefer cerberus harrier as my weapon of choice, particularly after a promote. I'm not a sniper. Tried it and really didn't work for me. In the game, I use cerberus armor. They may be lead by a lunatic, but their stuff is damn good. N7 is crap. Wait, the harrier is a cerberus harrier, right?

All the N7 weapons are good. Most are misunderstood. Yes, I'm serious. Not pointing fingers here, but I mean people generally don't understant how to use them effectively, and after one game of using them, throw them away. It would be much easier to explain using a mic though. Anyone want to play? We could get a game going.


I'll play.

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The eagle is crap but at its low weight its at least a passable sidearm. The hurricane is awesome, but only if you're in CQC. It's garbage if you use it at range. The valiant is one of the best sniper rifles in the game, though that's not saying much. The crusader is a great weapon once you get used to the way it handles, but it weighs as much as a pregnant krogan.

I haven't bothered with the challenge, still debating on whether I should waste a half hour on it. I haven't played since the last Tuesday changes. I'm completely fed up with the idiocy of the balance changes and the game's just not enjoyable anymore for me. Geth stunlock too much? They say they're looking into it, and then give geth more ways to stun. The last patch and collectors made the game harder than intended? They say they acknowledge the problem and are looking into it, and then nerf the most popular classes. It's bull****.


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Arashi08 wrote...

while we are discussing MP a bit, I'm deciding which of the N& weapons I should use. I was gonna use the Eagle but then I remembered I only use it as a supplemental damage for my Fury. Problem is all those N7 weapons suck, at least for pure weapons use. I'd only use the hurricame and Eagle with a biotic or tech specialist class for extra damage while powers recharge. The crusader is usually too heavy so maybe a Krogan soldier could use it. maybe I can use the valiant with another Infiltrator or something lol.


I went with the eagle on my adept human. I have the eagle and some other piece of crap. Useless. I'd say it depends on what character you are playing. If you have a character that functions off one weapon mostly, then put one of those lightweight pistol things on the eagle and it shouldn't change anything. Just use that character till you hit the 50k points.

I find it commical that in the game the conversation with vega talks about N7 getting the best gear, the best everything and then they come out with crap N7 stuff I wouldn't use ever for the MP. I hate to say it but I prefer cerberus harrier as my weapon of choice, particularly after a promote. I'm not a sniper. Tried it and really didn't work for me. In the game, I use cerberus armor. They may be lead by a lunatic, but their stuff is damn good. N7 is crap. Wait, the harrier is a cerberus harrier, right?

All the N7 weapons are good. Most are misunderstood. Yes, I'm serious. Not pointing fingers here, but I mean people generally don't understant how to use them effectively, and after one game of using them, throw them away. It would be much easier to explain using a mic though. Anyone want to play? We could get a game going.


That would be me. I don't understand all the nuances of weapons. I just grab what works for me best in my objective to kill the enemy. Eagle is a pistol and for MP I hate them. They are useless to me. I carry it but rely on the geth smg. And even then, until I get enough health and power I carry a harrier if I'm working off a low level that just got promoted.