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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Indoctrination Theory...is that where we all started playing mass effect 1 and believed it when EA and Bioware said you're choice matters? looking back it feels like a Hallucination lol

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

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found another piece of interesting evidence
be sure to check it out

Not everything in that video is valid though, some of the sounds are indeed Reaper sounds, others are not. This video doesn't make any distinction though.


it didn't have to. It was focused on noise that we all shouldn't have because we, our computer speakers/tv speakers can't play it. So why add extra sound clips for things we'd never hear?  I would like to see if that sound is present during the vigil scene in ME 1 during the vendetta scene during ME 3 and what point in the 3 games does the sound actually begins. Plus it wouldn't hurt to see what sounds are there on the various Prothean beacons. I'm suspecting a few are not what they are

This thinking is exactly the problem resulting of this issue. Some of the sounds are indeed true Reaper sounds that are shifted, but others are plainly compression artifacts. You have to distinguish here or you will run into problems.

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Infrasound and ghosts

I'm off to bed.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Infrasound and ghosts

I'm off to bed.

I remember reading a similar article many years ago. Fascinating stuff.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 28 octobre 2012 - 05:04 .


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Wait, did the BioWare folks actually point-blank use the term "Project X" to refer to any of this?

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I just had a thought. If Project X isn't ME3 DLC, maybe it's some kind of downloadable game that will finally resolve what happened to Shepard. Not a full game, just something to resolve what happens post-breath scene. It wouldn't have to have Shepard as a playable character, really, if IT is true there's no way he COULD be a playable character for many players.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Wait, did the BioWare folks actually point-blank use the term "Project X" to refer to any of this?


According to FFZero (I believe), Chris specifically referred to a "Secret Project X."

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Dwailing wrote...

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Wait, did the BioWare folks actually point-blank use the term "Project X" to refer to any of this?


According to FFZero (I believe), Chris specifically referred to a "Secret Project X."


FFZero + other people who were there.

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badmojo88 wrote...

Indoctrination Theory...is that where we all started playing mass effect 1 and believed it when EA and Bioware said you're choice matters? looking back it feels like a Hallucination lol


I think a lot of people got confused that when they said your choices mattered in Mass Effect 3. They didn't just mean the ending or last 5 minutes. They meant any time in Mass Effect 3, which is actually true. I've had several things affect the story or dialog if I did certain things in past games. If I didn't collect the Asari writings in Mass Effect 1, Conrad Verner doesn't mention it when I talk to him. In my full complete playthrough he does. 

The indoctrination codex for Mass Effect 2 also mentions seeing "ghostly presences" while under the affects of Reaper indoctrination. I thought the entry would be different, or updated for Mass Effect 3, but they didn't change it. 

The other thing is that the codex also seems to "quote" things (like that) to put emphasis on a certain point. Such as "alien voices" in the mind, which is what you hear during TIM sequence. 

Modifié par magnetite, 28 octobre 2012 - 05:31 .


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What if project x is...... Jade Empire 2?

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I think I may have uncovered Project X earlier...

Bill Casey wrote...

Snovicus wrote...

or a game about Matthew Broderick and a monkey.


Yes!!!

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Modifié par Bill Casey, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:14 .


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Okay when Chris brought up the secret project X he was talking about the various projects they're working on at BW, so ME3 DLC/ME4, DA3 and this secret project X. After the panel I went to try and get more info but Chris was swamped by people so I asked JM and she says it something completely unrelated to ME. However since she wasn't giving me any details whatsoever about Omega DLC she's hardly going to give me any details of secret project X if it is the same project X CN was talking about.

The panel itself was more a 'touching base with the UK fans' than anything else, they weren't really showing anything new, and apparently the UK ME fans are some of the more...enthusiastic I think was the term Chris used. Also they asked all the people at the panel who played ME3, pretty much everyone raised their hand, who liked the original endings? about 5 -6 people raised their hands, who liked the endings after EC? Maybe 15 people raised their hands. So yeah, pretty clear that for the most part people still don't like the endings, despite Chris and JM saying that the majority of the fan base is okay with the ending now.

Oh they also reiterated though that Shepards story is 100% finished with ME3.

Anyway later on today I'll try and track down Chris and JM again since apparently they're supposed to have some new concept art for Omega DLC to show, I'll see if I can sneak some photos of them. I'll also try and talk to Chris about Project X and see if I get the same answer from him about it being completely separate to ME.

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Thanks for the update, wonder when we'll see the Edmonto Expo panel online? Too bad they aren't ready to talk up Omega yet, it would be great to have something new to discuss.

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leonia42 wrote...

Thanks for the update, wonder when we'll see the Edmonto Expo panel online? Too bad they aren't ready to talk up Omega yet, it would be great to have something new to discuss.


JM said we most likely won't hear anything about Omega DLC until a week - 2 weeks before release.

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FFZero wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Thanks for the update, wonder when we'll see the Edmonto Expo panel online? Too bad they aren't ready to talk up Omega yet, it would be great to have something new to discuss.


JM said we most likely won't hear anything about Omega DLC until a week - 2 weeks before release.


So 1-3 weeks from now then.

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They actually called something "Project X"? Even if it turns out not to be ME-related, that's hilarious! Posted Image

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hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg

Modifié par shadoww6021, 28 octobre 2012 - 09:48 .


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shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg


Or the Leviathans :P

I'm going to keep thinking that Mars was at least infiltrated but possibly controlled by Leviathan influence.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

They actually called something "Project X"? Even if it turns out not to be ME-related, that's hilarious! Posted Image


Yes but kind of annoying though. They must have known we ITers would get our hopes up with a name like that, given its history. 

If it turn out that they're deliberately trolling us, then a happy bunny I shall not be. <_<

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SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg


Or the Leviathans :P

I'm going to keep thinking that Mars was at least infiltrated but possibly controlled by Leviathan influence.

it could be, but if so how did it end up with the rest of the prothean data? it could  be that maybe the data in the vault did not only have prothean data, but also leviathan or maybe data on other races from previous cycles. It would be interesting if in a later dlc that you return to Mars to gather more data and you found out what else was there ( we can hope right?)

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shadoww6021 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg


Or the Leviathans :P

I'm going to keep thinking that Mars was at least infiltrated but possibly controlled by Leviathan influence.

it could be, but if so how did it end up with the rest of the prothean data? it could  be that maybe the data in the vault did not only have prothean data, but also leviathan or maybe data on other races from previous cycles. It would be interesting if in a later dlc that you return to Mars to gather more data and you found out what else was there ( we can hope right?)


I don't think we'll go back to Mars.

We're going to Rio.

The Alliance likely didn't 'squander' this information, like TIM instead suggested. ;)

Modifié par SwobyJ, 28 octobre 2012 - 10:58 .


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SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg


Or the Leviathans :P

I'm going to keep thinking that Mars was at least infiltrated but possibly controlled by Leviathan influence.

it could be, but if so how did it end up with the rest of the prothean data? it could  be that maybe the data in the vault did not only have prothean data, but also leviathan or maybe data on other races from previous cycles. It would be interesting if in a later dlc that you return to Mars to gather more data and you found out what else was there ( we can hope right?)


I don't think we'll go back to Mars.

We're going to Rio.

The Alliance likely didn't 'squander' this information, like TIM instead suggested. ;)

Why Rio? I still don't understand why people think we're going back to Earth before the final mission actually starts!
When did all this Rio stuff even start?

Modifié par estebanus, 28 octobre 2012 - 11:07 .


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estebanus wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg


Or the Leviathans :P

I'm going to keep thinking that Mars was at least infiltrated but possibly controlled by Leviathan influence.

it could be, but if so how did it end up with the rest of the prothean data? it could  be that maybe the data in the vault did not only have prothean data, but also leviathan or maybe data on other races from previous cycles. It would be interesting if in a later dlc that you return to Mars to gather more data and you found out what else was there ( we can hope right?)


I don't think we'll go back to Mars.

We're going to Rio.

The Alliance likely didn't 'squander' this information, like TIM instead suggested. ;)

Why Rio? I still don't understand why people think we're going back to Earth before the final mission actually starts!
When did all this Rio stuff even start?


Not before the end; after the breath scene. I'd explain, but I'm going to bed. I'm sure Banshee can repost it tomorrow Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg


Or the Leviathans :P

I'm going to keep thinking that Mars was at least infiltrated but possibly controlled by Leviathan influence.

it could be, but if so how did it end up with the rest of the prothean data? it could  be that maybe the data in the vault did not only have prothean data, but also leviathan or maybe data on other races from previous cycles. It would be interesting if in a later dlc that you return to Mars to gather more data and you found out what else was there ( we can hope right?)


I don't think we'll go back to Mars.

We're going to Rio.

The Alliance likely didn't 'squander' this information, like TIM instead suggested. ;)

Why Rio? I still don't understand why people think we're going back to Earth before the final mission actually starts!
When did all this Rio stuff even start?


Not before the end; after the breath scene. I'd explain, but I'm going to bed. I'm sure Banshee can repost it tomorrow Posted Image

That makes even less sense.

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SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg


Or the Leviathans :P

I'm going to keep thinking that Mars was at least infiltrated but possibly controlled by Leviathan influence.

it could be, but if so how did it end up with the rest of the prothean data? it could  be that maybe the data in the vault did not only have prothean data, but also leviathan or maybe data on other races from previous cycles. It would be interesting if in a later dlc that you return to Mars to gather more data and you found out what else was there ( we can hope right?)


I don't think we'll go back to Mars.

We're going to Rio.

The Alliance likely didn't 'squander' this information, like TIM instead suggested. ;)


i also believe we will go to rio (or at least most likely) though maybe another dlc will make a pre-earth mission, like leviathan. it would be a really interesting experience if we could find out more about the previous cycles and the races. There is a little information on them here here but i would love to find out more about the races and how they failed against the reapers.