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[Davik Kang]

shadoww6021 wrote...
hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg

I mentioned this yesterday or the day before.  Basically if it was the Protheans watching us, it's a good thing, as they likely hid the Crucible designs there on Mars because they were impressed with the rate at which humanity was advancing and figured they'd be one of the most advanced civilisations by the next cycle.

However it does make you wonder why they didn't leave it to a more advanced race at the time.  Fears of susceptibility to indoctrination maybe?  Or fears that discovering the Crucible before discovering the Reapers might cause serious problems?  (Atom bomb type problems)

The other possibility is much worse.  We know that discovery of civilisations older than Protheans is a new thing.  Everyone had assumed that all the space tech left lying around came from the Protheans, including the Citadel.  But the Mars facility looks quite a lot like the Citadel from the outside.  If the base is of Reaper construction, it means they were studying us long before we advanced (as we know from the hunter dream text in ME1), and that they left the Crucible designs for us to find.  Possibly because they'd already marked us out as the race they wanted to harvest for their new Reaper.

DD and Restrider - thanks for the info on the dream foliage.

[Rifneno]

FFZero wrote...

Okay when Chris brought up the secret project X he was talking about the various projects they're working on at BW, so ME3 DLC/ME4, DA3 and this secret project X. After the panel I went to try and get more info but Chris was swamped by people so I asked JM and she says it something completely unrelated to ME.

Huh. So it is ME3 related then. Fascinating.

The panel itself was more a 'touching base with the UK fans' than anything else, they weren't really showing anything new, and apparently the UK ME fans are some of the more...enthusiastic I think was the term Chris used. Also they asked all the people at the panel who played ME3, pretty much everyone raised their hand, who liked the original endings? about 5 -6 people raised their hands, who liked the endings after EC? Maybe 15 people raised their hands. So yeah, pretty clear that for the most part people still don't like the endings, despite Chris and JM saying that the majority of the fan base is okay with the ending now.

Oh they also reiterated though that Shepards story is 100% finished with ME3.

shadoww6021 wrote...

hey guys. i was doing a new mass effect playthrough and found this on the mars reasearch station. when i first saw it, i guess must of overlooked. the main part of this is are 'they' the reapers or the protheans. it most likely the protheans though it is interesting to see this. perhaps they knew that humanity could play a big part in stopping the reapers at the next cycle? i dont know. what are your opinions
i.imgur.com/a6ARJ.jpg

It was shown in ME1 that the Protheans were at least "closely observing" early humans and the like. It likely started long before they found out about the Reapers. There's been speculation that the Protheans started out observing, and it turned into the Collectors doing so. One alien device mentioned in the text from Protheans studying early humans bore a disturbing resemblence to an oculus.

SwobyJ wrote...

I don't think we'll go back to Mars.

We're going to Rio.

The Alliance likely didn't 'squander' this information, like TIM instead suggested.

The amount of information stored in the Mars achieves is staggering. Humans discovered it about 20 years ago I believe, and they're still going through it all. In fact, it was only between ME2 and ME3 that they managed to break into the most secure area of the complex. Which means the most important data was only just discovered when the Reapers arrived. Obviously that included the plans for that terrible deus ex machina, but there could be a lot of other big discoveries to be found there.

estebanus wrote...

Why Rio? I still don't understand why people think we're going back to Earth before the final mission actually starts!
When did all this Rio stuff even start?

Thank God, somebody else that doesn't get all the Rio obsessions. At least it's not absurd as that "easter eggs in the Vancouver MP map are a hidden DLC schedule" thing. That one makes me dizzy.

[GhostShadow115]

What is all this Rio madness suddenly...?
Or do I have to go through most of the recent pages to find out...?

[Rifneno]

GhostShadow115 wrote...

What is all this Rio madness suddenly...?
Or do I have to go through most of the recent pages to find out...?

Not suddenly.  They've been going on about Rio for a couple months.  Never figured out why.  I love this group, but sometimes we get all hell-bent on something that has nothing substantial to it (if you don't believe me, search for "hackett indoctrinated").

[Dwailing]

I think I figured out why the endings are so weird. The Stargazer had to end his story because it was getting late! However, he promised more, so I figure there HAS to be more, because he wouldn't want to disappoint the Kid. I am 100% serious.

[shadoww6021]

Dwailing wrote...

I think I figured out why the endings are so weird. The Stargazer had to end his story because it was getting late! However, he promised more, so I figure there HAS to be more, because he wouldn't want to disappoint the Kid. I am 100% serious.

getting late?

edit: oh right, i thought you meant the Starchild

edit #2: this could be true, or he is referring to the recently announced mass effect 4

Modifié par shadoww6021, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:36 .

[Eryri]

Rifneno wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

What is all this Rio madness suddenly...?
Or do I have to go through most of the recent pages to find out...?

Not suddenly.  They've been going on about Rio for a couple months.  Never figured out why.  I love this group, but sometimes we get all hell-bent on something that has nothing substantial to it (if you don't believe me, search for "hackett indoctrinated").

From what I read, it had something to do with Rio's MP map being designed like a single player one, with a corridor like structure and closed off areas which are currently inaccessible. This suggests that they may use it in an N7 single player mission, which could only take place post breath scene. I don't play MP though so I've no personal experience with this.

Also Jacob promised to buy you a drink in Rio - which is admitedly weak as foreshadowing goes, but you never know.

Modifié par Eryri, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:46 .

[Dwailing]

Hello? Anyone here?

[GhostShadow115]

Dwailing wrote...

Hello? Anyone here?

I'm here... reading through the whole bloody thread... backwards...
I'm at page 1450... My head is... growing...

[D.Sharrah]

About the Protheans studying us...we weren't the only ones. They also were involved with the Asari, the Hanar and it is hinted that they were at least aware of the Turians and Salarians. Now what is more interesting about this is that the two races that we learn the most about their involvement was the Asari and the Humans. From the Thessia mission we learn that they not only observed the Asari, but had a quite active role in their evolution. With the humans they didn't seem to take any direct involvement, why? We know that their role with the Asari was due to the Protheans believing in their "potential" as a species. It has been discussed before that the Asari are the closest to what the Protheans were...drastically different methods and different reasons for the being near the center of galactic importance...

But getting back to humans...did the Protheans find out planet and see the same potential?

And more importantly do we really know all the reasons that the protheans took such an interest in the "younger races". The simple answer is that they were looking for the races that would help to "strengthen the empire". But a part of me wonders against what - or under who's influence? We have already seen that the Protheans were tied directly to Reaper tech - but we have also been shown that they were conncected to Leviathan tech as well...I wonder if the Leviathans were influencing the Protheans to try unite the galaxy under one cultural system to fight the Reapers. A tactic that produced better restults than previous cycles (?) but not the "victory" that the Leviathans are looking for...

[D.Sharrah]

Dwailing wrote...

Hello? Anyone here?

Just got here...just posted...

[GhostShadow115]

D.Sharrah wrote...

About the Protheans studying us...we weren't the only ones. They also were involved with the Asari, the Hanar and it is hinted that they were at least aware of the Turians and Salarians. Now what is more interesting about this is that the two races that we learn the most about their involvement was the Asari and the Humans. From the Thessia mission we learn that they not only observed the Asari, but had a quite active role in their evolution. With the humans they didn't seem to take any direct involvement, why? We know that their role with the Asari was due to the Protheans believing in their "potential" as a species. It has been discussed before that the Asari are the closest to what the Protheans were...drastically different methods and different reasons for the being near the center of galactic importance...

But getting back to humans...did the Protheans find out planet and see the same potential?

And more importantly do we really know all the reasons that the protheans took such an interest in the "younger races". The simple answer is that they were looking for the races that would help to "strengthen the empire". But a part of me wonders against what - or under who's influence? We have already seen that the Protheans were tied directly to Reaper tech - but we have also been shown that they were conncected to Leviathan tech as well...I wonder if the Leviathans were influencing the Protheans to try unite the galaxy under one cultural system to fight the Reapers. A tactic that produced better restults than previous cycles (?) but not the "victory" that the Leviathans are looking for...

You... make my fragile brain... hurt...
Too much... information... need... more... caffeine...!

[Rifneno]

Eryri wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

What is all this Rio madness suddenly...?
Or do I have to go through most of the recent pages to find out...?

Not suddenly.  They've been going on about Rio for a couple months.  Never figured out why.  I love this group, but sometimes we get all hell-bent on something that has nothing substantial to it (if you don't believe me, search for "hackett indoctrinated").

From what I read, it had something to do with Rio's MP map being designed like a single player one, with a corridor like structure and closed off areas which are currently inaccessible. This suggests that they may use it in an N7 single player mission, which could only take place post breath scene. I don't play MP though so I've no personal experience with this.

Also Jacob promised to buy you a drink in Rio - which is admitedly weak as foreshadowing goes, but you never know.

What?  Vancouver is definitely not built like a SP map.  It's slightly less of a pain in the ass than the other MP specialized maps, but it's certainly designed like they are.  And I don't know what they mean about a corridor being blocked off, unless they mean that door with the medical logo on it that's pretty clearly just there for atmosphere.

Jacob sucks.  I know, unrelated... but... he really sucks.  I saw this a while back.  Looks relevant.

[D.Sharrah]

starlitegirlx wrote...

snip...

I think we're reading a lot into something on a pad that lacks any kind of clarity.

Unless there's a good amount of evidence in game to back it up, it's not useful for IT.

But you see it does it involve IT...just not the way that you think.  Remember that the developers' said that they wanted "the players to feel what Shep feels", this includes indoctrination!  And what is one of the symptoms of indoctrination...paranoia.

[D.Sharrah]

starlitegirlx wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

But getting back to humans...did the Protheans find out planet and see the same potential?

And more importantly do we really know all the reasons that the protheans took such an interest in the "younger races". The simple answer is that they were looking for the races that would help to "strengthen the empire". But a part of me wonders against what - or under who's influence? We have already seen that the Protheans were tied directly to Reaper tech - but we have also been shown that they were conncected to Leviathan tech as well...I wonder if the Leviathans were influencing the Protheans to try unite the galaxy under one cultural system to fight the Reapers. A tactic that produced better restults than previous cycles (?) but not the "victory" that the Leviathans are looking for...

Where were protheans directly tied to reaper tech. I never saw any of this in game. Save with Leviathan tech. Can you show me instances or references? I haven't seen any of them.

Reaper tech - Everyone in the current cycle believing that the Protheans built the Citadel and the Realy Network...

Leviathan tech - The Prothean sphere in ME 1 that shows the hunter, the Prothean spheres you collect in ME 2 Firewalker missions...

[D.Sharrah]

Rifneno wrote...

snip...

Pure awesomeness!

[Eryri]

Rifneno wrote...

What?  Vancouver is definitely not built like a SP map.  It's slightly less of a pain in the ass than the other MP specialized maps, but it's certainly designed like they are.  And I don't know what they mean about a corridor being blocked off, unless they mean that door with the medical logo on it that's pretty clearly just there for atmosphere.

Jacob sucks.  I know, unrelated... but... he really sucks.  I saw this a while back.  Looks relevant.

:lol:Lol. I actually quite like Jacob but that was funny.

I think there's supposed to be some sort of trap door in the ceiling in the Rio map that looks like it should have a ladder there. Perhaps that's what they mean?

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Jacob sucks.  I know, unrelated... but... he really sucks.  I saw this a while back.  Looks relevant.

If anything Jacob gets a demotion.  He goes from being Chief of Security and second in command of the Lazerous Cell to Chief of Security and second in command of a bunch of runaways hiding from TIM.

Even after that he hangs around them for no particular reason.  He's a soldier, apperently, who doesn't like to be on front line duty.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Jacob sucks.  I know, unrelated... but... he really sucks.  I saw this a while back.  Looks relevant.

If anything Jacob gets a demotion.  He goes from being Chief of Security and second in command of the Lazerous Cell to Chief of Security and second in command of a bunch of runaways hiding from TIM.

Even after that he hangs around them for no particular reason.  He's a soldier, apperently, who doesn't like to be on front line duty.

Hey dont hate on Jacob

Okay, just kidding he is quite boring, but that is pretty much par for the cause in regards to Human squadmembers in Mass Effect. Ok Ashley has her moments, James is interesting in terms of some of the dialogue he has at times regarding IT and Kaidan actually has one of my favorite lines in ME3.

But it just is strange to read everyone making fun of Jacob when your name is the same (yeah my name is Jacob) 

[MaximizedAction]

I found Jacob's character in ME2 quite fun, had was an alternative buddy for those who didn't know Garrus.

However, ME3's Jacob is incredibly lame. Even the VA's work doesn't make it better. He seemed so rushed and cold. And how Jacob decided to deal with Femsheps who romanced him in ME2 deserves all the dislikes!

edit: JakobJacob. I suck.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .

[LazyTechGuy]

FFZero, thanks for the updates.