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[SubAstris]

masster blaster wrote...

 Also Chris likes IT

How do you know he's not lying?

[Dam0299]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

 Also Chris likes IT

How do you know he's not lying?

I doubt he would have a reason to lie about how he personally feels on the subject.

[CoolioThane]

Sub!!!

Oh, keeping the speculating going...what about that indoctrination eh? Seems very familiar with the endings!

[SubAstris]

Dam0299 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

 Also Chris likes IT

How do you know he's not lying?

I doubt he would have a reason to lie about how he personally feels on the subject.

How do you know he's not lying about having personal feelings on the subject?

[Lord Luc1fer]

SubAstris wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

 Also Chris likes IT

How do you know he's not lying?

I doubt he would have a reason to lie about how he personally feels on the subject.

How do you know he's not lying about having personal feelings on the subject?

And he might even be lying about lying!

[Dam0299]

SubAstris wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

 Also Chris likes IT

How do you know he's not lying?

I doubt he would have a reason to lie about how he personally feels on the subject.

How do you know he's not lying about having personal feelings on the subject?

How do you know if he is lying? How do you know if he does or does not lie about his personal feelings towards a subject?.

[CoolioThane]

Dam, Sub is only Joking around you know right?

[estebanus]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

 Also Chris likes IT

How do you know he's not lying?

I doubt he would have a reason to lie about how he personally feels on the subject.

How do you know he's not lying about having personal feelings on the subject?

And he might even be lying about lying!

And maybe he's even lying about lying that he's lying!

Modifié par estebanus, 04 août 2012 - 11:21 .

[estebanus]

SubAstris wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

 Also Chris likes IT

How do you know he's not lying?

I doubt he would have a reason to lie about how he personally feels on the subject.

How do you know he's not lying about having personal feelings on the subject?

Do you?

[ShepnTali]

Mr. Priestly is indoctrinated. Have you seen his eyes?

[Dam0299]

CoolioThane wrote...

Dam, Sub is only Joking around you know right?

How do you know that sub is joking?, but how do I know that you are not joking about if sub is joking?, You know?

[Leonia]

Speculations for everyone!

(But let's try to refrain from calling people liars, we can't prove such a thing and it isn't a very nice thing to accuse anyone of, especially the mods. Remember the site rules.)

[TSA_383]

 Before you all implode from the weight of speculations on here, let me ask you this:

What exactly do Bioware class as "changing" an ending?

because what we've been saying here all along is that they're not going to change the ending. Perhaps add new content, but they're not going to change them wholesale because that would ruin the point.

Then we get a message from Chris Priestley saying basically exactly that and you all **** a brick?

Chris Priestly wrote...

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based 
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements 
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, 
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the 
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely 
possible for future DLC as well.

 
If they provide dialogue that just adds a bit of context, so that it becomes more clearly understood what's happening at the end, then they can expand on the current storyline either through later DLC (just because they say they're not going to now doesn't mean much) or in the inevitable Mass Effect 4.

Iconoclaste wrote...

IT has the "Breathe scene", that's all it needs. The story has to be written backwards from there, and not forward into uncertainty.

 
Agreed.
You look at the breath scene, go "how did we get to this point" and there's really not a whole lot of other explanations that could make sense...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not really a literalist or an ITist but sitting on the fence is starting to hurt my arse.

 
Come to the dark side, we have pillows... and monocles.

[SubAstris]

Dam0299 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Dam, Sub is only Joking around you know right?

How do you know that sub is joking?, but how do I know that you are not joking about if sub is joking?, You know?

[Trollgunner]

TSA_383 wrote...

*wall of text*

So bioware is followoing the scheme "Why kill chiken if it still lays eggs?"  It's about not putting down ME franchaise , and preparing us for ME4. 
About that message....hm, I bever heard it, so thanks for bringing it here. And once again Bioware saying the same ald thing "We won't change endings *beetwen the lines: because we already know how it will end*, but DLC will affect the ending *beetween the lines : now you only see the tip of the iceberg, we will show you the rest*. 
I know that a lot of IT'ers already knew that, but I just want to add something.

P.S Sorry for bad english, I'm trying my best when writing in it.

[TSA_383]

Trollgunner wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

*wall of text*

So bioware is followoing the scheme "Why kill chiken if it still lays eggs?"  It's about not putting down ME franchaise , and preparing us for ME4. 
About that message....hm, I bever heard it, so thanks for bringing it here. And once again Bioware saying the same ald thing "We won't change endings *beetwen the lines: because we already know how it will end*, but DLC will affect the ending *beetween the lines : now you only see the tip of the iceberg, we will show you the rest*. 
I know that a lot of IT'ers already knew that, but I just want to add something.

P.S Sorry for bad english, I'm trying my best when writing in it.

Yeah, that's the basics of it 
By the way, what is your first language? We seem to have a lot of native german speakers on here

[legaldinho]

TSA_383 wrote...

 Before you all implode from the weight of speculations on here, let me ask you this:

What exactly do Bioware class as "changing" an ending?

because what we've been saying here all along is that they're not going to change the ending. Perhaps add new content, but they're not going to change them wholesale because that would ruin the point.

Then we get a message from Chris Priestley saying basically exactly that and you all **** a brick?

Chris Priestly wrote...

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based 
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements 
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, 
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the 
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely 
possible for future DLC as well.

 
If they provide dialogue that just adds a bit of context, so that it becomes more clearly understood what's happening at the end, then they can expand on the current storyline either through later DLC (just because they say they're not going to now doesn't mean much) or in the inevitable Mass Effect 4.

Iconoclaste wrote...

IT has the "Breathe scene", that's all it needs. The story has to be written backwards from there, and not forward into uncertainty.

 
Agreed.
You look at the breath scene, go "how did we get to this point" and there's really not a whole lot of other explanations that could make sense...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not really a literalist or an ITist but sitting on the fence is starting to hurt my arse.

 
Come to the dark side, we have pillows... and monocles.

what annoys me most is the use of effect as a verb. He means affect. There's hardly any legitimate use of effect as a verb in that context.

I also hate the adjective "impactful", FYI.

On topic: If Leviathan mentions the AI that presents itself to us at the end, classical IT is over. 

[TSA_383]

legaldinho wrote...

On topic: If Leviathan mentions the AI that presents itself to us at the end, classical IT is over. 

How?
If leviathan speaks about how they created it, and it attempted to force them into synthesis... surely that makes the whole "twist" at the end more obvious?

[MaximizedAction]

legaldinho wrote...
*snip*

On topic: If Leviathan mentions the AI that presents itself to us at the end, classical IT is over. 

classical IT, as in it was Harbinger who's messing with Shep's mind, maybe. But it doesn't mean that IT is over at all. With the EC it became even more difficult to find an explaination against Shep being indoc'd to me.

We even got it hinted by Bioware that Shep's mind has been scanned. And the mere fact that Shep doesn't seem affected by indoctrination is suspecious enought to assume that that is exactly what is happening. The only thing that remains unclear, is whether Shep's being tricked into helping the Reapers with their evil plan or their galactic 'piecemaking'. Depends on the player what is more likely.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 août 2012 - 12:28 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

TSA_383 wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

On topic: If Leviathan mentions the AI that presents itself to us at the end, classical IT is over. 

How?
If leviathan speaks about how they created it, and it attempted to force them into synthesis... surely that makes the whole "twist" at the end more obvious?

The best lies often contain a grain of truth.

If there is truly some entity controlling the Reapers nothing would prevent him from actually beeing the one manipulating Shepard and by extension nothing would prevent him from appearing in Shepards halucinations. It would not matter if it told Shepard what it was since it expects to Indoctrinate him anyway.

But this is off course still depending on what Leviathan says.

[TSA_383]

https://twitter.com/...647035047165952
HAHAHA
Mike Gamble
Oh wow

Lots of speculations for everyone 

Modifié par TSA_383, 04 août 2012 - 12:49 .

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...647035047165952
HAHAHA
Mike Gamble
Oh wow

Lots of speculations for everyone 

The 90's Total Recall has the line "What if this is a dream?", the new one doesn't (doesn't mean it couldn't be a dream, though).

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Not too long ago someone mentioned we should make a introduction list for IT giving a quick breakdown of what it was and the basics of the theory for letting newcomers get into it more easily.

Well I thought about sitting down and writing such a thing, but I do not want to do it without input from everyone else in here.

Basicly my idea for the layout is as follows at the moment:

1: A introduction of the IT and what it is about, including the ME3 codex entry for Indoctrination for reference.
2: Idd then present some of the strange things found in the game. Things such as the kid, the dreams connection to Indoctrination. Idd stay clear of pieces which are still heavily debated.
3: Line up the end choices, giving the examples of Saren = Synthesis and TIM = Control. Idd probably leave out rejection due to the debate still going on how to interpret that.
4: The Breath Scene.
5: A thematic breakdown of the series pointing out what light Control and Synthesis has been placed in up till the end.
6: Finally end it with Shepard him/herself and the major cases of Shepard beeing exposed to Indoctrinating enviroments.

My question to everyone is what you think of this and what you think should be added to such a write up. I think it is a good idea to stick to things we are generally in agreement on and not go to deep into the stuff with multiple very valid interpretations. If a person is interested in knowing more they might look such thinsg up afterwards.

[paxxton]

CoolioThane wrote...

Oh ye of little faith. That quote from Chris changes nothing. That's been their "official" stance since the game was released. Nothing has changed.

To abandon the IT now, after all we've been through is silly. We have here the best way the IP can go and Bioware/EA would be silly (which they're not) not to see that.

We will have to suffer trolls and literalists quoting that post for weeks on end now, but remember: we have the evidence, we have the faith and we have each other.

I am proud to be an IT-er; we have faith in the best game developers in the world (IMO), we have dissected a series we love Abd have had the best of times discussing and speculating and we have become a family. **** the haters, let them act like a-holes but know we still have the theory and nothing has changed.

We will continue speculating and discussing the best way the series can continue, as the IT is not dead, no matter what people try and tell us. It's not dead until any post-ending content is released (books, comics, me4) and they are congruent with the current endings.

Just keep the faith, keep the family together, and if we ever do find out IT is false, we support each other and learn to understand what good can come from the endings (because lets face it; destroy is the only thing we can choose - ahh paxx ) and learn to accept it. It would be a disservice from us not to respect bioware and to not give them a chance, if IT is false, to redeem themselves (in our opinions) with further games.

Sorry for the long post, I just want us to stick with the best thing ever, to the end

Souls, replaced by tech.

Well said.

I'm curious what is the definition of "ending" BioWare uses. Chris writes in the first paragraph that no changes to the ending are planned, He takes several sentences to emphasize this. Then in the second paragraph he effectively contradicts himself by saying that the Leviathan DLC is going to add new dialogue options to the conversation with the Catalyst. Something doesn't add up here IMO.

I fully agree with you that BioWare/EA would be insane not to take the enormous opprtunity IT gives them. That said, it's highly probable that IT will be revealed in the next full game (btw, I just have a feeling that this was always going to be the case. The war is simply too big a subject to be squeezed in a single x-hour game. From a financial perspective too. Why make a single game and cash in on it once if you can make 2 and cash in on each. Remember that many assets are readily available for ME4 so they don't need to do everything from scratch which minimizes the cost. Plus, if the war ended in ME3 and everything revealed there, there would'n be much interest in future games.)

Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 01:18 .

[SubAstris]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Not too long ago someone mentioned we should make a introduction list for IT giving a quick breakdown of what it was and the basics of the theory for letting newcomers get into it more easily.

Well I thought about sitting down and writing such a thing, but I do not want to do it without input from everyone else in here.

Basicly my idea for the layout is as follows at the moment:

1: A introduction of the IT and what it is about, including the ME3 codex entry for Indoctrination for reference.
2: Idd then present some of the strange things found in the game. Things such as the kid, the dreams connection to Indoctrination. Idd stay clear of pieces which are still heavily debated.
3: Line up the end choices, giving the examples of Saren = Synthesis and TIM = Control. Idd probably leave out rejection due to the debate still going on how to interpret that.
4: The Breath Scene.
5: A thematic breakdown of the series pointing out what light Control and Synthesis has been placed in up till the end.
6: Finally end it with Shepard him/herself and the major cases of Shepard beeing exposed to Indoctrinating enviroments.

My question to everyone is what you think of this and what you think should be added to such a write up. I think it is a good idea to stick to things we are generally in agreement on and not go to deep into the stuff with multiple very valid interpretations. If a person is interested in knowing more they might look such thinsg up afterwards.

Or you could just refer them to ACAVYOS' video on Youtube