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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:33

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D.Sharrah wrote...

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starlitegirlx wrote...

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Completely off-topic - finally soloed Bronze woohoo!

There were some Bronze/Silver level players talking about MP yesterday, anyone who's playing tonight lemme know.

@ FFZero: I really should have come to the MCM today, pretty much wasted my day. Hope it was fun.


We will probably be playing again tonight. We had like 8 people talking in a party last night on Xbox Live. It was craaaaa-zy.


I had some great fun with you guys last night. It was awesome! Of course you had to revive me constantly depending on what character I played. That was just pitiful. I'm still traumatized by the collector faction. Seriously.


Tell me about it...I don't even panic anymore when I hear a Banshee scream...cause I know that it's nothing compared to scions, et al...and don't even get me started on the fact that one of the toughest factions only gets tougher b/c of the possessed mechanic - if I am not playing a character that take a possessed abomination down quick I turn tail and run!


Banshees still make me uneasy. It doesn't help that they do that Slender Man teleport. Well, actually, nothing about a Banshee helps. I hear a scream and I just go, " oh great, here we go again." Possessed Praetorians or Scions are a little worse but not as unsettling as those screaming harpies.


You think that until you get caught b/w two Possessed Praetorians and a Possessed Scion tossing grenades from right in front of you...useless squad that day...couldn't even get off the floor long enough to squeeze the trigger on one Cobra...


Or...if they all spawn right on top of you.  I've played way too many missions where I get stuck in the middle of a spawn pool

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:34

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Talking about crazy video game achievements? I would say that the most amazing game achievement EVER has to be beating I Wanna Be The Guy on Impossible mode. If memory serves, the number of people who have done it is STILL in either the single digits or the low tens. Please correct me if my numbers are wrong. Another crazy achievement is beating Kaizo Mario World.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:34

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Was playing a gold match last night and had 3/4 shields and full health...teammate headshotted a possessed abomination that was right next to me and I died...I know that they were just trying to help...but I would been fine using my submission net and then backing up while getting the kill...


Gotta love the help.  Seriously it's because everyone is trying to score as many points as possible.  Sometimes I just go the other way to get a few enemies to myself.  Other times I stick with the masses, it makes the tough characters easier

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:36

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starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Was playing a gold match last night and had 3/4 shields and full health...teammate headshotted a possessed abomination that was right next to me and I died...I know that they were just trying to help...but I would been fine using my submission net and then backing up while getting the kill...


You know what's really awesome?  When an ex-cerberus lobotomy patient lashes a possessed abomination INTO the group.


Who is the ex cerberus lobotomy patient? Hate to say it but the outcome sounds funny in theory though must suck in game.


The cerberus adept guy I was playing last night on glacier in the snowstorm. Remember you were asking why there was a Cerberus member on our team because I was trolling you guys and running around in white?


You are wicked. EVIL. WICKED EVIL. But when we were playing cerberus that one did come out during the game. I know it wasn't you because IT KILLED ME.


Yes, I have a dark sense of humor sometimes. The internet rubbed off on me.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:36

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Once knew a Volus named Uh Cold.
He was by 'emself, Cerberus had 'em dead to rights on Vancouver.
It was a guddamn miracle he survived.
Used hit an' run tactics.
When all of your enemies tower over you, you learn to fight smart real quick.
Little bastard could use biotics better than most Asari.
Had 'em tied up in stasis fields while he picked 'em off one by one.
Killed a ton of 'em, an' then Cerberus tucked tail an' ran.
Never underestimated a Volus since.



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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:40

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Just as they hide their crazy-psycho killer Asari.

Asari lovers hate to think about it, but the race DOES have a very dark side. It's their whole thing, ever since they were shown having eyes that turn to black :P

And I love asari myself. Liara is still actually one of my favorite characters, I see most asari as just fine, and Samara's story is heartbreaking.

None of that doesn't mean that they may have been positioned or promoted by another faction (Reaper/Leviathan/Prothian?) to be the 'apex race' in their own way of this cycle, after the Prothian 'unite under one empire and banner' cycle 'failed'.

Yeah, I covered that kind of a few days ago.
Xilizhra then accused me of being a misogynist and Asari-hater, though I am not, lol.
To paraphrase my post:
I came to the impression that the Asari, though portrayed as the race of empathy, wisdom, patience, diplomacy and balance, have a very dark side. In fact, most of the characters (aside from the various mooks/cannon fodder you kill) that show sociopathic/psychopathic traits are Asari:

- Aria T'Loak
- Tela Vasir
- Morinth
- Cpt. Enyala (the Cpt. in Miranda's LM)
- Elnora (the mercenary that killed that Volus and lied about it)
- Wasea (?? the leader of Eclipse right after biotic god)
- Nassana Dantius and her slaver sister
- Jona Sederis :) 

I probably forgot a few... What I am trying to say, though, is that this might be a way to show that the Asari also have their dark side.


ME2 gets much deeper into the asari culture and based on all the mercs abusing their biotics and the whole thing about contracts that came up on Illium along with the need for Justicars and Samara saying something along the lines of justice being needed in a society that laughs at the notion - well, to me, that makes the asari look pretty bad. I do love Liara's father who you meet in the bar. She had some really great insights and recommendations and they laughed at her so now she's a bartender watching Liara.

Actually, I supposed you could look at the protheans influence as a form of manipulation. It gave the asari power that they clearly wasted and/or hoarded when they could have and should have shared it. I wonder if the protheans would then fall into the control category? Hmmm? Just a random thought.


Prothians started as Controllers.
Then the Reapers came, and they became Destroyers (Javik being born after the Citadel had fallen).
The Reapers won, and the Prothian remnants became Synthesized.

Control leads to ruination. This ruination only urges Destruction in retaliation, but so far, its not been enough against the Reapers. They then fail and become Synthesized into the Cycle (husks, Reaper bodies, etc). The Cycle is then strengthened yet again.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:43

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I think its very useful to IT. Humanity's evolution may have lead to Shepard. Shepard is highly resistant to mental influence (comparatively speaking). I think there's a major link, and future content (nope, I don't think we're done quite yet) will show us why Shepard is so strongly willed and why others follow him like he has an 'aura'.

Or rather, its a mix of conscious intent and genetic anomaly.


This seems too reaching. Getting into all sorts of speculation and not even close to sticking with in game facts and in game reality. Using possible future content is absurd. Sorry, but it just is. You are linking it to something that literally does not exist to your knowledge. That's the sort of thing ITers HAVE to stay away from or we lose credibility and look like idiots. Stick with specific details that are IN GAME and work along the principles you would use in analyzing a literary work or movie for foreshadowing, referencing things working on a deeper level, point to themes. That's the only way to do this or you are getting off track. If you like to do that on your own, that's cool. But it seems to me that this thread has a purpose which is to quite specifically use in game information to show IT as what is actually happening whether people choose to accept it or not. Many will not because it's too heady for them or ruins their fun. You can lead a horse to water... Well, we have to dangle a big ole carrot in front of that horse and the carrot has to be factual in game stuff or the horse will get lost or buck and pull away and run. That's what we are dealing with at this point. Indoctrination in game seems to parallel indoctrination of players in RL which is rather scary but also rather interesting in a disturbing way.


To be fair, Shepard did survive contact with the Prothean beacon in ME1. According to Liara that should have killed someone with a weaker will.


Yet saren used it just fine. was that because of evolution? Turians were of zero interest to harbinger. Was it because of Sovereign? You have to remember that in creating your shepard you have very specific options. Basically you are a hero and/or survivor. All of them are geared toward making shepard a strong willed survivor. Is that evidence enough? Maybe. The first part of the hypothesis is fine. But the minute you link it to something that doesn't even exist yet the point is lost. Better off to go back to the trilogy and see what supports this idea of shepard being special. IS THAT what you are trying. I'm not even sure. What was on the datapad again? You have to form a clear connection that isn't just speculation. Do we want to be a group of Mulder types (pre scully) or Mulder/Scully types. There's a vast difference between the two. That's all I'm saying and I'll keep posting it because if you get lost in wild speculations then IT as a whole begins to suffer as it drifts toward the finge and starts looking like the ramblings of a person not based in reality.

Saren had reapertech implants. Those implants might have been what kept him from having his mind turned to mush, either that or Sovereign was possessing him at the time, which he is seen to do the next time you see Saren having a hissy fit in front of Benezia.

Anyway, we can speculate a little as long as that isn't our main focus. However, speculating sometimes does lead to a new perspective on current evidence and could lead to a new prediction for future content. As long as it's controlled, grounded, and it's not TDM-level speculation, I'd say it's more helpful than harmful. Scientists sometimes have to speculate based on the information given them to form a hypothesis as do literary critics examining a story.


Saren didn't get his reaper implants till about halfway through ME1


He had implants WAY before that. You can see them the very first time you see him when he kills Nihilus. Sovereign only added more implants to control Saren after Shepard introduced doubts in Saren's mind on vermire.


Oh yeah, I was considering mentioning that :P

Saren had implants since the start of ME1 and even before that.

I think he was of the Control mindset before that, thinking he could resist, and setting up a facility to study indoctrination..

Heh, he was a mini-TIM.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:46

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Those people are in denial. Shepard is not and never has been superman or batman. Even the strongest will can be broken.

"Maybe I'm just some high-tech VI that thinks its Commander Shepard."

Shepard sure seems to be having some serious doubts here.


He's had serious doubts of various sorts since the very beginning of ME3!

My boyfriend now is on the Citadel after finishing Mars, and I very much notice now how Shepard continuously outright *doubts* the Crucible itself!

Yet at the same time, we find Liara having strong doubts about being able to stand against the Reapers a few times (..hmm), but Shepard keeps picking her back up from that.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:47

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Given we were talking about MP I figured I'd ask about which faction people do the best with:

http://social.biowar...15/polls/41087/

For myself, I find myself doing the best against Cerberus but the worst against the Collectors

EDIT - changed a couple of things in the poll in case you saw it already lol

EDIT 2 - made the link clickable lol

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:51

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Rio is N7 headquarters, possible trove of Alliance information, as well as the location where Shepard likely has spent time in/trained before all this Mass Effect stuff. It just might be relevant that Hackett was one of the people who reccomended him for Spectre status, maybe.


You think it's still there? I really doubt the Reapers left it alone. It probably wasn't a first strike target (see: nuclear missile silos) but it couldn't have been far behind. The Reapers are focusing on major population centers. Rio de Janeiro is one of the biggest cities in the world, sporting nearly triple the population of Chicago. The Reapers are there. In force. And the N7 facilities would naturally be one of the certain to resist, meaning one of the first to be destroyed.


Firebase Rio is on the outside of Rio itself.

There's nothing that would say that we're can't go to *some* sort of facility in the area. Whether its the N7 main facilities or not, is totally unknown.

Really this is just one of those cases where the writers could do many many many things to make this work, if they wanted to. I suggest they do want to, and we'll be getting a DLC. I totally understand how and the possibility that I'm completely wrong.

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SwobyJ wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

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Those people are in denial. Shepard is not and never has been superman or batman. Even the strongest will can be broken.

"Maybe I'm just some high-tech VI that thinks its Commander Shepard."

Shepard sure seems to be having some serious doubts here.


He's had serious doubts of various sorts since the very beginning of ME3!

My boyfriend now is on the Citadel after finishing Mars, and I very much notice now how Shepard continuously outright *doubts* the Crucible itself!

Yet at the same time, we find Liara having strong doubts about being able to stand against the Reapers a few times (..hmm), but Shepard keeps picking her back up from that.


Doubting in some device you found in prothean ruins where the protheans became extinct is not the same as doubt in yourself or doubt about winning the war. In this case, I think it was specific to the crucible. Even I had doubts about it as a viewer with suspension of disbelief. Something about it seeemed off. Mostly the whole catalyst thing bugged me from minute one given it was the one thing in this elegantly easily translated design that remained totally unknown. Nevermind that they had no idea how it would work and that it was never completed. The whole thing screamed hail mary. Of course, I thought that amassing the world largest galactic force was absurd too after seeing how useless those fighter jets were in turchunka.

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Impressive denial, Commander.

Though, to be fair, for the same reason I find it hard to accept the trilogy ending with a (possible) death of Shepard.


I'd actually be okay with it as long as it made sense and had some closure. Then again, it wouldn't be the Hero's Journey without the Hero's Triumphant Return.


In ME1 we thought for 10 sec that Shepard died but actually didn't.

In ME2 Shepard literally died in the intro, but was brought back by Cerberus.

In ME3, in some endings, Shepard supposedly dies...as the being that relies on experience that I am, I'm still waiting for Shepard to 'unexpectedly come back from the dead' with the Hero's theme playing in the background.


For all we 'know', Shepard could still live in all the endings, but just require a sort of redemption/assistance from his allies, loves, and friends to return to health.

That's part of my reasoning why Bioware may consider Synthesis as the best ending, at least in some way - it would be the most dramatic and shocking to reveal, but also the most triumphant to handle narrative-wise. Rebirth and all that.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:55

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Bill Casey wrote...

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Once knew a Volus named Uh Cold.
He was by 'emself, Cerberus had 'em dead to rights on Vancouver.
It was a guddamn miracle he survived.
Used hit an' run tactics.
When all of your enemies tower over you, you learn to fight smart real quick.
Little bastard could use biotics better than most Asari.
Had 'em tied up in stasis fields while he picked 'em off one by one.
Killed a ton of 'em, an' then Cerberus tucked tail an' ran.
Never underestimated a Volus since.



(gif of Zaeed provided by Bouncy Frag)


Awesome, Bill. :lol:

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 10:56

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SwobyJ wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Those people are in denial. Shepard is not and never has been superman or batman. Even the strongest will can be broken.

"Maybe I'm just some high-tech VI that thinks its Commander Shepard."
Shepard sure seems to be having some serious doubts here.

He's had serious doubts of various sorts since the very beginning of ME3!
My boyfriend now is on the Citadel after finishing Mars, and I very much notice now how Shepard continuously outright *doubts* the Crucible itself!

Yet at the same time, we find Liara having strong doubts about being able to stand against the Reapers a few times (..hmm), but Shepard keeps picking her back up from that.

Yeah. This might just be me, but when I look back at ME, and ME2, Shepard just seems like an entirely different person. Almost drained (In ME3)Sure, Shepard is under an immense amount of pressure, but he has a dramatic character transformation starting in ME3.

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401 Kill wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Those people are in denial. Shepard is not and never has been superman or batman. Even the strongest will can be broken.

"Maybe I'm just some high-tech VI that thinks its Commander Shepard."
Shepard sure seems to be having some serious doubts here.

He's had serious doubts of various sorts since the very beginning of ME3!
My boyfriend now is on the Citadel after finishing Mars, and I very much notice now how Shepard continuously outright *doubts* the Crucible itself!

Yet at the same time, we find Liara having strong doubts about being able to stand against the Reapers a few times (..hmm), but Shepard keeps picking her back up from that.

Yeah. This might just be me, but when I look back at ME, and ME2, Shepard just seems like an entirely different person. Almost drained. Sure, Shepard is under an immense amount of pressure, but he has a dramatic character transformation starting in ME3.


I liked shepard ME1 and ME2 the best. But that may have to do with all the cutscenes where i was no longer playing my character. I was watching my character. It felt like crap to me.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 11:02

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What strikes me most about Shepard is that he isn't funny anymore. Renegade Shepard was hilarious in ME1 and ME2. I can't recall one laugh from Shepard in 3.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 11:03

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BatmanTurian wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Completely off-topic - finally soloed Bronze woohoo!

There were some Bronze/Silver level players talking about MP yesterday, anyone who's playing tonight lemme know.

@ FFZero: I really should have come to the MCM today, pretty much wasted my day. Hope it was fun.


We will probably be playing again tonight. We had like 8 people talking in a party last night on Xbox Live. It was craaaaa-zy.


I had some great fun with you guys last night. It was awesome! Of course you had to revive me constantly depending on what character I played. That was just pitiful. I'm still traumatized by the collector faction. Seriously.


it's okay, banshee dies more than you do sometimes.


Were you there when my krogan died and it said starlitegirlx committed suicide. I was ballistic on that one. Krogans DO NOT commit suicide! It was reaper faction.

Yeah, I laughed but it was obviously a game bug and wasn't your fault.

I had to leave right when that happned, but I did hear about that happening.  Usually they happens when Ravager acid kills you.  but it also happens if a sawmer kills you as well.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Those people are in denial. Shepard is not and never has been superman or batman. Even the strongest will can be broken.

"Maybe I'm just some high-tech VI that thinks its Commander Shepard."

Shepard sure seems to be having some serious doubts here.


He's had serious doubts of various sorts since the very beginning of ME3!

My boyfriend now is on the Citadel after finishing Mars, and I very much notice now how Shepard continuously outright *doubts* the Crucible itself!

Yet at the same time, we find Liara having strong doubts about being able to stand against the Reapers a few times (..hmm), but Shepard keeps picking her back up from that.


Doubting in some device you found in prothean ruins where the protheans became extinct is not the same as doubt in yourself or doubt about winning the war. In this case, I think it was specific to the crucible. Even I had doubts about it as a viewer with suspension of disbelief. Something about it seeemed off. Mostly the whole catalyst thing bugged me from minute one given it was the one thing in this elegantly easily translated design that remained totally unknown. Nevermind that they had no idea how it would work and that it was never completed. The whole thing screamed hail mary. Of course, I thought that amassing the world largest galactic force was absurd too after seeing how useless those fighter jets were in turchunka.


"But what if we're wrong. What if there's no way to stop them. What if these are our last days and we spend them screwing around to solve a problem we can't fix."

"We'll stop them Liara, together."

"I believe you. Or I believe that you believe. Maybe that's enough."

This doesn't sound Crucible specific, but rather reflective of the whole conflict...

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 11:04

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starlitegirlx wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Completely off-topic - finally soloed Bronze woohoo!

There were some Bronze/Silver level players talking about MP yesterday, anyone who's playing tonight lemme know.

@ FFZero: I really should have come to the MCM today, pretty much wasted my day. Hope it was fun.


We will probably be playing again tonight. We had like 8 people talking in a party last night on Xbox Live. It was craaaaa-zy.


I had some great fun with you guys last night. It was awesome! Of course you had to revive me constantly depending on what character I played. That was just pitiful. I'm still traumatized by the collector faction. Seriously.


Tell me about it...I don't even panic anymore when I hear a Banshee scream...cause I know that it's nothing compared to scions, et al...and don't even get me started on the fact that one of the toughest factions only gets tougher b/c of the possessed mechanic - if I am not playing a character that take a possessed abomination down quick I turn tail and run!


I still run from banshees. They scare me because I seem to end up instakilled a lot in silver (playing as a krogan, damn thing doesn't roll!) I run reallly fast when I dont' have a good weapon to hammer them. I had a pirahana with my krogan, not much help and why I got insta killed a lot. But I was actually stressed during silver against collectors. Mostly I was like "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!?!?!" Gotta give BW credit though. Everybody wanted this scare faction that was a lot harder. Looks like those of us who were fine with status quo got screwed on that one but the ones who wanted it got what they wanted, plus turrets all over the place with the geth and dragon with cerberus. Lovely.

I've heard that enemies can't use their instakill move on you if you are on stairs or ramps, but they may have patched that since then.

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Shepard is out of control, humorless, and drained in ME3.

...just as he should be.

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Arashi08 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Completely off-topic - finally soloed Bronze woohoo!

There were some Bronze/Silver level players talking about MP yesterday, anyone who's playing tonight lemme know.

@ FFZero: I really should have come to the MCM today, pretty much wasted my day. Hope it was fun.


We will probably be playing again tonight. We had like 8 people talking in a party last night on Xbox Live. It was craaaaa-zy.


I had some great fun with you guys last night. It was awesome! Of course you had to revive me constantly depending on what character I played. That was just pitiful. I'm still traumatized by the collector faction. Seriously.


it's okay, banshee dies more than you do sometimes.


Were you there when my krogan died and it said starlitegirlx committed suicide. I was ballistic on that one. Krogans DO NOT commit suicide! It was reaper faction.

Yeah, I laughed but it was obviously a game bug and wasn't your fault.

I had to leave right when that happned, but I did hear about that happening.  Usually they happens when Ravager acid kills you.  but it also happens if a sawmer kills you as well.


Except that's not suicide. But it's a funny thing that they added though still not suicide.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 11:09

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starlitegirlx wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Completely off-topic - finally soloed Bronze woohoo!

There were some Bronze/Silver level players talking about MP yesterday, anyone who's playing tonight lemme know.

@ FFZero: I really should have come to the MCM today, pretty much wasted my day. Hope it was fun.


We will probably be playing again tonight. We had like 8 people talking in a party last night on Xbox Live. It was craaaaa-zy.


I had some great fun with you guys last night. It was awesome! Of course you had to revive me constantly depending on what character I played. That was just pitiful. I'm still traumatized by the collector faction. Seriously.


it's okay, banshee dies more than you do sometimes.


Were you there when my krogan died and it said starlitegirlx committed suicide. I was ballistic on that one. Krogans DO NOT commit suicide! It was reaper faction.

Yeah, I laughed but it was obviously a game bug and wasn't your fault.

I had to leave right when that happned, but I did hear about that happening.  Usually they happens when Ravager acid kills you.  but it also happens if a sawmer kills you as well.


Except that's not suicide. But it's a funny thing that they added though still not suicide.

No it isn't but for whatever reason the game still says that lol.

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 11:10

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Rifneno wrote...

What strikes me most about Shepard is that he isn't funny anymore. Renegade Shepard was hilarious in ME1 and ME2. I can't recall one laugh from Shepard in 3.

The best renegade Shepard line from ME2 (I like) is when Shepard sends the Volus(I am the Biotic God!) to his death by being ripped up by that Asari! 

No such moment is even close in ME3.

"You're just yanking me around Mordin! Aren't you?"

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Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 11:13

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Shepard is out of control, humorless, and drained in ME3.

...just as he should be.


I get that, but it took some of the fun out of the game. Same as not being able to have conversations with character. I click on my crew. I don't make choices in a conversation. They make remarks and I'm an automoton who only talks to them every so often. Maybe that's the point. Hmm? Shepard who no longer talks to crew or with crew. And often the dialogue is centered on 'how are you holding up?' with someone like Garrus.

Making the Normandy the 'tip of the spear' was a lot to expect of shepard - to play politics and do all the things that should have been done while shepard was dead and/or locked up. That aspect of the trilogy makes me want to say 'screw it' and pick refusal since they only cared when they were in jeopardy. They had three years and blew it off. If I were shepard, I might have laughed and been like "I'm going to find a nice corner where the reapers aren't and sit there sipping some wine while all you fools who squandered three years duke it out with them.' Selfish? Maybe. But where is the logic in making shepard do everything after screwing shepard over so often. Reapers won because the galatic community powers let them. Not because of shepard.

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Shepard is out of control, humorless, and drained in ME3.

...just as he should be.


I get that, but it took some of the fun out of the game. Same as not being able to have conversations with character. I click on my crew. I don't make choices in a conversation. They make remarks and I'm an automoton who only talks to them every so often. Maybe that's the point. Hmm? Shepard who no longer talks to crew or with crew. And often the dialogue is centered on 'how are you holding up?' with someone like Garrus.

Making the Normandy the 'tip of the spear' was a lot to expect of shepard - to play politics and do all the things that should have been done while shepard was dead and/or locked up. That aspect of the trilogy makes me want to say 'screw it' and pick refusal since they only cared when they were in jeopardy. They had three years and blew it off. If I were shepard, I might have laughed and been like "I'm going to find a nice corner where the reapers aren't and sit there sipping some wine while all you fools who squandered three years duke it out with them.' Selfish? Maybe. But where is the logic in making shepard do everything after screwing shepard over so often. Reapers won because the galatic community powers let them. Not because of shepard.


Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, and everything you said here is right imo.

I think I'm different in that I don't see the story as over. Even if Shepard isn't the main character in a ME4, I have this strong sense that everything will be better in time (2013 or 2014, whatever) - I guess I have a more overt hope, and I'm just waiting for the reveal(s of various sorts).

No one said the Reaper invasion was going to be easy.
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