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[CmdrShep80]

I kind of wish the other 180 people would at least vote yes or no but after 200 views and 43 votes and 20 comments...


Created on 2012-10-28 43 votes, 20 comments, 200 views
Was curious where people stood on the Indoctrination Theory after nearly 6000 pages of postings


Yes! OMG IT needs to stop! Why do you keep believing this?
42%(18 votes)


No, IT is fact that is valid and can be found everywhere in the ME Universe
58%(25 votes)

[ZerebusPrime]

I don't think it's just that people don't think. I think that most people do think.... once. It's a willingness to rethink things that is lacking. Thinking twice about something always causes a certain amount of discomfort because one must admit to oneself that their initial conclusion may have been in error.

Ergo...... "What do you mean Synthesis is wrong? It took me thirty [bleep]ing minutes to choose that. It was a hard choice. It was my choice. I don't have to put up with you questioning me."

[CmdrShep80]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I don't think it's just that people don't think. I think that most people do think.... once. It's a willingness to rethink things that is lacking. Thinking twice about something always causes a certain amount of discomfort because one must admit to oneself that their initial conclusion may have been in error.

Ergo...... "What do you mean Synthesis is wrong? It took me thirty [bleep]ing minutes to choose that. It was a hard choice. It was my choice. I don't have to put up with you questioning me."

LOL that's true, it took me a little while to get off of that thought.  I picked Synthesis at first.  I thought it was the best ending at the time.  As the kid says, "IT added...new possiblities...IT changed me."  LOL

[BatmanTurian]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I don't think it's just that people don't think. I think that most people do think.... once. It's a willingness to rethink things that is lacking. Thinking twice about something always causes a certain amount of discomfort because one must admit to oneself that their initial conclusion may have been in error.

Ergo...... "What do you mean Synthesis is wrong? It took me thirty [bleep]ing minutes to choose that. It was a hard choice. It was my choice. I don't have to put up with you questioning me."

To which I would reply " Stop being a nancy and be intellectually honest. It'll only hurt your pride for like 5 secs."

[CmdrShep80]

Here's a weird question. What if the Anderson we see at the end is really Anderson standing over you trying to snap you out of indoctrination and you're just mumbling away saying what you and TIM says while Anderson is really Anderson speaking but you're just imagining what he looks like and pulling him into the scene. Even though we don't see Anderson at the breath scene what if he comes up to you to pull you up and out of the rubble like he did in the beginning of the game? I'm trying to think of who that hand is in that picture that kept getting posted with Shepard being pulled up.

What I'm thinking of is similar to when you're dreaming and someone's trying to wake you up and you start seeing them in the dream

[BatmanTurian]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Here's a weird question. What if the Anderson we see at the end is really Anderson standing over you trying to snap you out of indoctrination and you're just mumbling away saying what you and TIM says while Anderson is really Anderson speaking but you're just imagining what he looks like and pulling him into the scene. Even though we don't see Anderson at the breath scene what if he comes up to you to pull you up and out of the rubble like he did in the beginning of the game? I'm trying to think of who that hand is in that picture that kept getting posted with Shepard being pulled up.

What I'm thinking of is similar to when you're dreaming and someone's trying to wake you up and you start seeing them in the dream

Yeah, that's waking nightmare. totally different but similar.

[Hrothdane]

BatmanTurian wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I don't think it's just that people don't think. I think that most people do think.... once. It's a willingness to rethink things that is lacking. Thinking twice about something always causes a certain amount of discomfort because one must admit to oneself that their initial conclusion may have been in error.

Ergo...... "What do you mean Synthesis is wrong? It took me thirty [bleep]ing minutes to choose that. It was a hard choice. It was my choice. I don't have to put up with you questioning me."

To which I would reply " Stop being a nancy and be intellectually honest. It'll only hurt your pride for like 5 secs."

"It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." Nietzsche

[spotlessvoid]

Rifneno wrote...

If you can't trust an ancient evil trying to wipe out all other sapient life, who can you trust?

Politicians

[Davik Kang]

SwobyJ wrote...
But yeah, like I've said before, it gives me HOPE, not 'despair'. This series, if IT is true, is NOT going to end on utter defeat. Count on that.

Unfortunately, at least for me at the moment, if IT is true, then the end is utter defeat.  Hence for now I'll stick to my previous understanding 

[CmdrShep80]

To who whoever mentioned the thing about the Krogan baby with the green eyes and wondering if reproduction was impacted by synthesis.

I just remembered, Krogan already have children, but with the genophage the number was really small. So that image of the Krogan baby, we can't confirm if it is a new baby or one of the ones already born before the end of the game. It's possible that synthesis halts all reproduction in favor of whatever the Reapers need the populuce to do

[MaximizedAction]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I don't think it's just that people don't think. I think that most people do think.... once. It's a willingness to rethink things that is lacking. Thinking twice about something always causes a certain amount of discomfort because one must admit to oneself that their initial conclusion may have been in error.

Ergo...... "What do you mean Synthesis is wrong? It took me thirty [bleep]ing minutes to choose that. It was a hard choice. It was my choice. I don't have to put up with you questioning me."

I honestly find that one of the most important intellectual steps is knowing you were wrong.
It might start with you questioning yourself, it might be someone else pointing you towards it, but in the end if you genuinely accept it: that is progress. It's like turning a switch from 1 to 0, instead of leaving it on 1.
We love when things are the way we're used to, the way they have been. But if it is progress or change that you wish, and feel adventurous enough, then you might find great things. Otherwise you'll stay in your cave.

No good feeling I had towards the ending of ME3 was as epic as IT suggests it is. And I consider myself enlightened for knowing it.

[CmdrShep80]

Hey folks an important message from MassterBlaster:

MassterBlaster2 wrote...
"Hey how is everything going. Look before you do/ say anything I will prove it's me. (removed to withold the proof in case someone else does the same thing) Still don't think it's me? Look I am being for real it MB. I don't know what happened to my orgigional account, so I had to create a new one. Problem is I can't post on this forum. Or this thread. Look Can you please tell everyone that I will be using this profile until I gett my first account fixed. Also anything new happen? Also did Hellish, and Turbo finish the ep3 video?"

Anyways he's using the MassterBlaster2 name now, well till he fixes his old account.  Bet he over did the commentary on one of the other threads lol.  But ya can someone share with him the ep3 video?

Thanks!  Now a word from your IT sponsor lol

EDIT - added the quote lines

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 29 octobre 2012 - 01:52 .

[Davik Kang]

SwobyJ wrote...
And I still don't get that. IT being true, to me, says "Not all is what it seems."

We may be stuck in a fantasy world, sure, but that doesn't mean the story itself is over. Us breaking indoctrination wouldn't be hopeless, but in fact the best part of the trilogy.

youtu.be/7xwq1v8OD6s  ......

Even if Shepard really dies in all endings (though I don't think he does), he didn't fail. We're in for more stories, more adventures, and defeat of the Reapers.

Yeah but in my original understanding, Shepard broke indoctrination and beat the Reapers.  IT is telling me that Shepard is still unconscious on Earth.  The only way I can see that being the case, with respect to the whole narrative, is if the beam was a trap, in which case we're doomed.

Remember that IT involves a specific interpretation of events.  There are a large number of interpretations out there that involve indoctrination, but aren't IT.  This thread doesn't speak for every non-Literal theory out there.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 29 octobre 2012 - 02:00 .

[CmdrShep80]

Guess I caused controversy LOL

"I for one would like to believe Shepard has not actually made it to the beam yet, so what if I'm delusional. I don't understand why people are so upset at ITers if the trilogy is over why keep knocking down the the ITers why even keep posting about ME, if it's over, it's over, or more specificly on IT post or threads I think these polls are created just invoke controversy, which I think is fine. I just think it's funny how irate some are towards ITers. If the ending was just a crappy anticlimactic end then so be it. I'll deal with it then, but I think it's a bit early to say for sure either way, at least IMO"

[Davik Kang]

SwobyJ wrote...
I guess I'm taking more of a writer's, rather than reader's standpoint here. The Crucible being a trap and Shepard being in rubble means nothing in regards to 'are we doomed?'. It only creates the climax of the story, which is so far incomplete. 

Sure sure, I understand what many ITers believe in regards to the ending, that the breath scene is the hope for a continued and winnable battle, whether that involves additional content (like most want) or not (e.g. Bill Casey).

I was purely talking from my own point of view.  I enjoy talking to you guys, because you know loads about the game and have seen many of the counter-arguments to both sides several times over.  I just meant that, in my own head, IT was pretty much the only answer if the beam turned out to be a trap.  If the beam doesn't go to the Citadel, then IT is necessarily true (at least as far as I'm concerned).  But if not then I think there's still room for different interpretations, including the possiblity that the end does take place on the Citadel, but becomes more and more unreal, culminating in a total halucination (the confrontation with the Kid).

Modifié par Davik Kang, 29 octobre 2012 - 02:29 .

[Davik Kang]

SwobyJ wrote...
Yeah I would have believed he was on the Citadel if it wasn't for the look of the rubble in Shep_Lives movie, along with possible outside hints by Bioware (like the London at dawn wallpaper with FemShep they posted..).

Well I already discussed the rubble with DD in another thread.  To avoid starting some unnecessay hostility here, I'll leave it at that for now.  Certainly those femshep posters do give hope to the true IT supporters.

[Davik Kang]

From Masster Blaster:

Masster Blaster said...

Ikm not sure if you got the message, but if Shepard ison the Citadel then all of that speculating that Shepard is on Earth would gone, and my I say " Why hasn't Bioware say Shepard can't be on Earth?" If he/she is on the Citadel like people clam/ seeing from literal eyes, then why didn't Bioware not say Shepard is on the Citadel? That's why I say he/she is on Earth because if Shepard survived a big f****** laser blast from Harbinger only to weaken him/her to Indoctrinate Shepard on the Citadel. I would just shake my head and say " Un f****** believebale." Honest we have two chocies that are built into the Citadel? Who the hell build Destroy, and Control chocies on the Citadel, and why hasn't anyone found the Catalyst's chambers. It's just on the other side.