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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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#40901
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Rifneno wrote...

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"I will destroy you!"

You know, Jack would make an acceptable fill-in for Shepard. Certainly better than litalists.


Not Rodriguez, though. She couldn't destroy wet tissue paper.


Maybe if she drinks her juice?


Maybe.

Does that mean that all the controllers and synthesizers just have vitamin deficiencies?

How much juice do you think we would have to give Seival?

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Rodriguez: What if... what if they're not lying?

ReneShep: I've seen firsthand what Cerberus does to people they promised not to harm.

Jack: What? You see the scars, Rodriguez? Come on, take a good look. Cerberus did this to me when I was half your age. Surrender and you're meat on a slab. We're trying to save your asses.

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Well...


Created on 2012-10-28 58 votes, 31 comments, 318 views later
Was curious where people stood on the Indoctrination Theory after nearly 6000 pages of postings


Yes! OMG IT needs to stop! Why do you keep believing this?
43%(25 votes)


No, IT is fact that is valid and can be found everywhere in the ME Universe
57%(33 votes)
and IT is still leading but it's a close race...*screech*...what wait?  A close race? OMG!  So many indoctrinated people!

I wonder if BioWare will use this all against us.  i.e. ME4's multiplayer could be indoctrinated vs non-indoctrinated based on your ending choices (i.e. we think we're playing against AIs but we're really playing PvP. 

Would be fun to structure the next game based on an indoctrinated vs non-indoctrinated choice

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Well...


Created on 2012-10-28 58 votes, 31 comments, 318 views later
Was curious where people stood on the Indoctrination Theory after nearly 6000 pages of postings


Yes! OMG IT needs to stop! Why do you keep believing this?
43%(25 votes)


No, IT is fact that is valid and can be found everywhere in the ME Universe
57%(33 votes)
and IT is still leading but it's a close race...*screech*...what wait?  A close race? OMG!  So many indoctrinated people!

I wonder if BioWare will use this all against us.  i.e. ME4's multiplayer could be indoctrinated vs non-indoctrinated based on your ending choices (i.e. we think we're playing against AIs but we're really playing PvP. 

Would be fun to structure the next game based on an indoctrinated vs non-indoctrinated choice


I can't imagine that it would last long because it's easy to tell a human intelligence from enemy AI, but it would be unspeakably awesome.

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I've seen brutes think things through more thoroughly than synthesis supporters. I think it's possible. I don't think it would be that hard to trick them into being the bad guys.

"rawr. They won't synthesize! Use your new synthesis powers and assume banshee form, go forth and indoc-ahem convert the heathens!"

They'd buy it. They could call it team Harbinger and they'd buy it.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Well...


Created on 2012-10-28 58 votes, 31 comments, 318 views later
Was curious where people stood on the Indoctrination Theory after nearly 6000 pages of postings


Yes! OMG IT needs to stop! Why do you keep believing this?
43%(25 votes)


No, IT is fact that is valid and can be found everywhere in the ME Universe
57%(33 votes)
and IT is still leading but it's a close race...*screech*...what wait?  A close race? OMG!  So many indoctrinated people!

I wonder if BioWare will use this all against us.  i.e. ME4's multiplayer could be indoctrinated vs non-indoctrinated based on your ending choices (i.e. we think we're playing against AIs but we're really playing PvP. 

Would be fun to structure the next game based on an indoctrinated vs non-indoctrinated choice


Haha.

I more imagine a Mass Effect 4 (if as assume we're actually still Shepard somehow and Bioware was just tricky) would go from:
-More varied Reaper forces
-Cerberus as human-ish enemy (previously was mercs for most part)
-some Geth

To:
-Even more varied Reaper forces
-.... indoctrinated organics (and their mechs) of all across the galaxy

Geth would be either removed from the story (or at least for most part), or allied on your side. The story reaches its possibly natural conclusion - you vs. indoctrination. First on the small scale (your own mind) and in ME4 on the large scale (redeeming the galaxy and pushing back the Reapers).

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I've seen brutes think things through more thoroughly than synthesis supporters. I think it's possible. I don't think it would be that hard to trick them into being the bad guys.

"rawr. They won't synthesize! Use your new synthesis powers and assume banshee form, go forth and indoc-ahem convert the heathens!"

They'd buy it. They could call it team Harbinger and they'd buy it.

And to think I almost forgot why I don't like many IT-Supporters. I come on this thing by chance and find this.Posted Image

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 29 octobre 2012 - 08:14 .


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Logic card trumps victim card. Proceeds.

So in Overlord supposedly this poor guy David synthesizes with a VI and goes basically insane.
Synthesizing with an exponentially more complex intelligence in the Reapers however is proven safe .

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Logic card trumps victim card. Proceeds.

So in Overlord supposedly this poor guy David synthesizes with a VI and goes basically insane.
Synthesizing with an exponentially more complex intelligence in the Reapers however is proven safe .

Fine, here's a logical question for you: Why would Bioware spend months creating the Extended Cut, which they could of spent making DLC they can charge for, in order to give us free content that adds epilogues to the endings if they're only "illusions" and not add your so-called "real" ending?

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 29 octobre 2012 - 07:57 .


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A few still pictures and a few minutes of monologue to quiet you down. Look how happy with the ending you are now. Got your shiny new Reaper code and your as pleased as can be. The MP trailers took more effort than that.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

A few still pictures and a few minutes of monologue to quiet you down. Look how happy with the ending you are now. Got your shiny new Reaper code and your as pleased as can be. The MP trailers took more effort than that.

You still haven't answered my question. Also, I was happy with the original endings.

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There are several plausible explanations for the ending. None of them include synthesis being legitimate.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

There are several plausible explanations for the ending. None of them include synthesis being legitimate.

And what do you consider "several plausible explanations"?

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Logic card trumps victim card. Proceeds.

So in Overlord supposedly this poor guy David synthesizes with a VI and goes basically insane.
Synthesizing with an exponentially more complex intelligence in the Reapers however is proven safe .

Fine, here's a logical question for you: Why would Bioware spend months creating the Extended Cut, which they could of spent making DLC they can charge for, in order to give us free content that adds epilogues to the endings if they're only "illusions" and not add your so-called "real" ending?


Because the only things EC addressed were:

-Wouldn't the relays blowing up kill everyone?
-How did your crew get on the Normandy?
-Why did the Normandy run away?

Bioware clarified the complaints that were totally unexpected to them, but nothing about the actual ending "issues" were truely changed.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 29 octobre 2012 - 08:07 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Logic card trumps victim card. Proceeds.

So in Overlord supposedly this poor guy David synthesizes with a VI and goes basically insane.
Synthesizing with an exponentially more complex intelligence in the Reapers however is proven safe .

Fine, here's a logical question for you: Why would Bioware spend months creating the Extended Cut, which they could of spent making DLC they can charge for, in order to give us free content that adds epilogues to the endings if they're only "illusions" and not add your so-called "real" ending?


Because the only things EC addressed were:

-Wouldn't the relays blowing up kill everyone?
-How did your crew get on the Normandy?
-Why did the Normandy run away?

Nothing about the actual ending "issues" were truely changed. Bioware clarified the things that were totally unexpected to them.

You forgot it also addresses what happens after the event, like the fate of the various species.

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Yes I did. My answer was the EC didn't take months of hard work. It's a slide show of low quality pictures with a tiny bit of voice acting. What a joke.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Yes I did. My answer was the EC didn't take months of hard work. It's a slide show of low quality pictures with a tiny bit of voice acting. What a joke.

That wasn't the question. I asked why would they take time out of their schedule to work on "illusions" and not your "real" ending.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Logic card trumps victim card. Proceeds.

So in Overlord supposedly this poor guy David synthesizes with a VI and goes basically insane.
Synthesizing with an exponentially more complex intelligence in the Reapers however is proven safe .

Fine, here's a logical question for you: Why would Bioware spend months creating the Extended Cut, which they could of spent making DLC they can charge for, in order to give us free content that adds epilogues to the endings if they're only "illusions" and not add your so-called "real" ending?


Because the only things EC addressed were:

-Wouldn't the relays blowing up kill everyone?
-How did your crew get on the Normandy?
-Why did the Normandy run away?

Nothing about the actual ending "issues" were truely changed. Bioware clarified the things that were totally unexpected to them.

You forgot it also addresses what happens after the event, like the fate of the various species.


Right, yes, that too. That's (kind of) part of the relays exploding point.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Yes I did. My answer was the EC didn't take months of hard work. It's a slide show of low quality pictures with a tiny bit of voice acting. What a joke.

That wasn't the question. I asked why would they take time out of their schedule to work on "illusions" and not your "real" ending.


It ties in with what I'm saying about them changing only the things that weren't really related to the ending debate. Everyone was raging, not just about the ending, but about the questions above that EC answered. It was a way to calm everyone down and get rid of the unintended assumptions of what (seemed to have) happened.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Logic card trumps victim card. Proceeds.

So in Overlord supposedly this poor guy David synthesizes with a VI and goes basically insane.
Synthesizing with an exponentially more complex intelligence in the Reapers however is proven safe .

Fine, here's a logical question for you: Why would Bioware spend months creating the Extended Cut, which they could of spent making DLC they can charge for, in order to give us free content that adds epilogues to the endings if they're only "illusions" and not add your so-called "real" ending?


Because the only things EC addressed were:

-Wouldn't the relays blowing up kill everyone?
-How did your crew get on the Normandy?
-Why did the Normandy run away?

Nothing about the actual ending "issues" were truely changed. Bioware clarified the things that were totally unexpected to them.

You forgot it also addresses what happens after the event, like the fate of the various species.


Right, yes, that too. That's (kind of) part of the relays exploding point.

Oh, ok. I was considering the Relay situation a seperate issue from what happens to the races after the Reaper War.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Yes I did. My answer was the EC didn't take months of hard work. It's a slide show of low quality pictures with a tiny bit of voice acting. What a joke.

That wasn't the question. I asked why would they take time out of their schedule to work on "illusions" and not your "real" ending.


Who says they aren't? A REAL DLC takes time. It also makes no sense to release that first. EC was slapped together to quell fan outrage enough to proceed with the dlc schedule. It worked

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spotlessvoid wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Yes I did. My answer was the EC didn't take months of hard work. It's a slide show of low quality pictures with a tiny bit of voice acting. What a joke.

That wasn't the question. I asked why would they take time out of their schedule to work on "illusions" and not your "real" ending.


Who says they aren't? A REAL DLC takes time. It also makes no sense to release that first. EC was slapped together to quell fan outrage enough to proceed with the dlc schedule. It worked

I think they would've capitalized on the Indoctrination Hypothesis when it had the highest following rather than release something that took away a lot of it's support if they planned to use it at all. It's only logical.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Yes I did. My answer was the EC didn't take months of hard work. It's a slide show of low quality pictures with a tiny bit of voice acting. What a joke.

That wasn't the question. I asked why would they take time out of their schedule to work on "illusions" and not your "real" ending.


Who says they aren't? A REAL DLC takes time. It also makes no sense to release that first. EC was slapped together to quell fan outrage enough to proceed with the dlc schedule. It worked

I think they would've capitalized on the Indoctrination Hypothesis when it had the highest following rather than release something that took away a lot of it's support if they planned to use it at all. It's only logical.


Nah, their goal is to indoctrinate the fanbase. It makes to most sense to release a reveal DLC at the end of the DLC cycle. We have Omega, and one unknown one after for sure. The unknown may be a reveal, though I bet it would be after that one, maybe around March.

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The leader of the Reapers tells you synthesizing with them is best, and that irreversibly turning all organic life, including plants, into synthetic hybrids is a great idea and you believe him? It's bad guy 101. Don't trust the bad guy ' cause he's the bad guy

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 29 octobre 2012 - 08:22 .


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I have a better way to phrase this Spot.

Darth Revan, what are your reasons for supporting Synthesis? The effects you see after your choice don't count. I mean, as Shepard in the decision chamber, why did you choose it?