LOL. Someone mentioned the blu-ray version of Total Recall here yesterday. LOL. He does read this thread.TSA_383 wrote...
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HAHAHA
Mike Gamble
Oh wow
Lots of speculations for everyone
Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 01:10 .
SubAstris wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Not too long ago someone mentioned we should make a introduction list for IT giving a quick breakdown of what it was and the basics of the theory for letting newcomers get into it more easily.
Well I thought about sitting down and writing such a thing, but I do not want to do it without input from everyone else in here.
Basicly my idea for the layout is as follows at the moment:
1: A introduction of the IT and what it is about, including the ME3 codex entry for Indoctrination for reference.
2: Idd then present some of the strange things found in the game. Things such as the kid, the dreams connection to Indoctrination. Idd stay clear of pieces which are still heavily debated.
3: Line up the end choices, giving the examples of Saren = Synthesis and TIM = Control. Idd probably leave out rejection due to the debate still going on how to interpret that.
4: The Breath Scene.
5: A thematic breakdown of the series pointing out what light Control and Synthesis has been placed in up till the end.
6: Finally end it with Shepard him/herself and the major cases of Shepard beeing exposed to Indoctrinating enviroments.
My question to everyone is what you think of this and what you think should be added to such a write up. I think it is a good idea to stick to things we are generally in agreement on and not go to deep into the stuff with multiple very valid interpretations. If a person is interested in knowing more they might look such thinsg up afterwards.
Or you could just refer them to ACAVYOS' video on Youtube
That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said,
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely
possible for future DLC as well.
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DJBare wrote...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19#13503201That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said,
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely
possible for future DLC as well.
There is a very juicy worm on that hook, not sure I'll be swallowing it though, I got the cash all ready for the DLC, but after Chris's first comment in that post I'm now 50/50 on whether to spend the money.
I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.
Seriously? I have no such doubts. Even if IT isn't confirmed (or denied), I simply want to know the story, immerse myself in the world of ME. That's enough for me to give BioWare their points back.DJBare wrote...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19#13503201That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said,
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely
possible for future DLC as well.
There is a very juicy worm on that hook, not sure I'll be swallowing it though, I got the cash all ready for the DLC, but after Chris's first comment in that post I'm now 50/50 on whether to spend the money.
paxxton wrote...
Seriously? I have no such doubts. Even if IT isn't confirmed (or denied), I simply want to know the story, immerse myself in the world of ME. That's enough for me to give BioWare their points back.DJBare wrote...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19#13503201That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said,
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely
possible for future DLC as well.
There is a very juicy worm on that hook, not sure I'll be swallowing it though, I got the cash all ready for the DLC, but after Chris's first comment in that post I'm now 50/50 on whether to spend the money.
Even if you don't like the ending, consider that Leviathan will resemble the main part of the game more closely than the finale. Something like another N7 mission, I presume. No doubts that it's gonna be oddsome.Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Seriously? I have no such doubts. Even if IT isn't confirmed (or denied), I simply want to know the story, immerse myself in the world of ME. That's enough for me to give BioWare their points back.DJBare wrote...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19#13503201That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said,
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely
possible for future DLC as well.
There is a very juicy worm on that hook, not sure I'll be swallowing it though, I got the cash all ready for the DLC, but after Chris's first comment in that post I'm now 50/50 on whether to spend the money.
I am more catious. Bioware is no longer the instant hype, instant buy but company they were once to me, but I watch anything new coming from them with interest and I wont let a a great game from them pass me by due to some missplaced anger.
If you really want to speculate, you should also listen to some of the music he likes. Y'know "things you see (or listenning) and are not really what it seems to be" and all that stuff.TSA_383 wrote...
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HAHAHA
Mike Gamble
Oh wow
Lots of speculations for everyone
TSA_383 wrote...
How?legaldinho wrote...
On topic: If Leviathan mentions the AI that presents itself to us at the end, classical IT is over.
If leviathan speaks about how they created it, and it attempted to force them into synthesis... surely that makes the whole "twist" at the end more obvious?
Modifié par legaldinho, 04 août 2012 - 01:36 .
The Crucible isn't a hallucination. Organics have really built it. IT considers the scene in which it fires as a hallucination. There was also an idea put forward some time ago that the Crucible is a Reaper trap, an indoctrination device.legaldinho wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
How?legaldinho wrote...
On topic: If Leviathan mentions the AI that presents itself to us at the end, classical IT is over.
If leviathan speaks about how they created it, and it attempted to force them into synthesis... surely that makes the whole "twist" at the end more obvious?
Because classical IT would say the catalyst is a hallucination, it doesn't exist. It is a creation of the reapers in shepard's mind, who is supposed to win him over into their way of thinking: By deluding him into Tim's folly (control) or accepting a changed genetic destiny for intelligent life, one that can be imposed (straight reaper thinking: synthesis).
Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 01:41 .
Modifié par Gwyphon, 04 août 2012 - 01:47 .
If you're wondering whether it does edit anything important about that little chat - it does.DJBare wrote...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19#13503201That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based
single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements
that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said,
depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the
Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely
possible for future DLC as well.
There is a very juicy worm on that hook, not sure I'll be swallowing it though, I got the cash all ready for the DLC, but after Chris's first comment in that post I'm now 50/50 on whether to spend the money.
How does the Reapers' being free of all weakness rule out exerting control over them? Also, if the Catalyst is a collective intelligence of the Reapers, doesn't that mean that him controlling them is simply the same as the Reapers controlling themselves?GethPrimeMKII wrote...
What you're most likely going to see is Leviathan contradict the star brat just like Sovereign and Harbinger.
Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 01:53 .
paxxton wrote...
The Crucible isn't a hallucination. Organics have really built it. IT considers the scene in which it fires as a hallucination. There was also an idea put forward some time ago that the Crucible is a Reaper trap, an indoctrination device.legaldinho wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
How?legaldinho wrote...
On topic: If Leviathan mentions the AI that presents itself to us at the end, classical IT is over.
If leviathan speaks about how they created it, and it attempted to force them into synthesis... surely that makes the whole "twist" at the end more obvious?
Because classical IT would say the catalyst is a hallucination, it doesn't exist. It is a creation of the reapers in shepard's mind, who is supposed to win him over into their way of thinking: By deluding him into Tim's folly (control) or accepting a changed genetic destiny for intelligent life, one that can be imposed (straight reaper thinking: synthesis).
The only way the Crucible cannot be real is if the whole game is a dream.
It's suspicious that TIM says to Miranda "Then see to it that we don't lose Shepard" and subsequently a Collector ship destroys the Normandy and Shepard's body ends up in Cerberus hands. Also, consider that without those events Shepard would've never willingly helped Cerberus which further makes the suspicions justified. Plus, everybody on the Citadel seems to easily declare him KIA (Citadel as an indoctrination device made them do that). Also, Liara has her wacky facial expression.starlitegirlx wrote...
paxxton wrote...
But how would you explain the fact that TIM sponsored the Suicide Mission to defeat the Collectors working for the Reapers? Maybe his task was to lure Shepard into the Collector Base to be captured and after the hidden plan backfired (Shepard made the Proto-Reaper collapse) he tried to trick him by suggesting to leave the base intact so that the Reaper could still have been completed.
What's always bothered me was that he wanted to control the reapers in the end. He wanted to know everything about it and the collectors. Sure he said he wanted to stop abductions and if the indoctrination was not complete perhaps he did, but remember his agenda.... control! You need to understand something to try to control it and at sanctuary he took all the reaper tech he had and all the knowledge to learn how to control a reaper. So I think it was more unconscious in ME2 or he was not aware of what was happening but every action he took or mission he sent them on was about getting reaper tech related and nearing him to what became his ultimate agenda in ME3. I maintain there was only a grain of Tim wanting to help from the minute he rescued shep.
Also, I've always found it rather odd that the opening is talking about getting Shep, using shep in some way and then a collector ship finds the Normandy and Tim ends up with her body. Am I the only one that thinks that's not connected to indoctrination? Probably even loaded shep up with reaper tech for all we know, but then I go back to the asari consorts words of wisdom and within them was this whole you are great and have great strength. Perhaps it was more about strength to not be indoctrinated than for any battle. The inner battle rather than a physical one.
I'm convinced Tim was connected to the collector attack on the ship on some level. Sure he could have been monitoring intel and communications and gone after her body given she was near his location as we learn in the end of ME3, but it was still very strange he was there to revive shep whom he had stated he wanted on his side. Yet being manipulated through indoctrination would explain all of it easily. Collector's found the ship perhaps because Tim knew how to track the normandy (indoctrinated knowledge and access to what Tim knows) then getting shep's body was also ultimately wanting to learn to control them. She gets the base and the reaper IFF and now he's got what he needs.
Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 02:15 .
I can get down with that, I suppose. But in terms of what Bioware are doing, it wouldn't speak much of their faith in pushing the alternative interpretation.Gwyphon wrote...
If the Leviathan confirms the presence of the AI, it doesn't disprove IT. The reapers would work off what Shepard knew. If they contradicted his prior knowledge s/he would start to question what s/he's seeing. Doesn't do anything particular for and against the theory, which is what bioware wants.
If the Leviathan state sthere is no AI on the other hand...
legaldinho wrote...
I can get down with that, I suppose. But in terms of what Bioware are doing, it wouldn't speak much of their faith in pushing the alternative interpretation.Gwyphon wrote...
If the Leviathan confirms the presence of the AI, it doesn't disprove IT. The reapers would work off what Shepard knew. If they contradicted his prior knowledge s/he would start to question what s/he's seeing. Doesn't do anything particular for and against the theory, which is what bioware wants.
If the Leviathan state sthere is no AI on the other hand...
I will give you all 10 pesos if Leviathan states there is no AI, positively that is. No way.
More likely, we'll get more on the background, and how the AI is simply not to be trusted.
We can always make our own ending should the worst come.Jade8aby88 wrote...
I wonder how long it will take you guys to stop speculating over IT.
These endings are definitely legit, and are staying. And trust me, I hate that more than you do, why? Because the truth hurts and the truth is what you are avoiding.
Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 02:17 .
paxxton wrote...
We can always make our own ending should the worst come.Jade8aby88 wrote...
I wonder how long it will take you guys to stop speculating over IT.
These endings are definitely legit, and are staying. And trust me, I hate that more than you do, why? Because the truth hurts and the truth is what you are avoiding.
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