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[DoomsdayDevice]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Isn't harbinger a reaper? Or is it a collector? I''m confused on that point since I never really thought about it.

He's the leader of the Reapers, not only that, he was the first true Reaper, created from the harvested Leviathans.

That was the biggest plot twist in ME2: You're not fighting the Collector General, he was just a puppet. It's revealed in the ME2 ending. You see a hologram of a Reaper (Harbinger), saying that he's releasing control of the Collector General. Harbinger was the puppet master behind everything. That's one of the major reasons why IT-ers believe the "catalyst" to be no more than a projection of Harbinger. He's the ultimate puppet master.

If you play "Arrival" before having finished Mass Effect 2, you will be talking to a hologram of the Collector General in the ending of Arrival. (The subtitles will still say Harbinger though) If you play it after having finished ME2, you will be talking to a hologram of Harbinger (the Reaper) in the ending of Arrival.

I remember being really frustrated when playing ME2 the first time. I was wondering why I wasn't fighting the Reapers. It really frustrated me. The only Reapers we saw were the derelict Reaper and the Human proto-Reaper. And then it turned out I had been fighting a Reaper overlord all along. It was pretty amazing to me.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 29 octobre 2012 - 03:53 .

[Simon_Says]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Simon! Drop a gem on us and lets get this conversation back on track

I was gonna stick around but honestly, I expect I'm way out of the loop by this point. I left because my vidcards were bricked. After weeks waiting for new ones I just wasn't interested enough to come back. I haven't even seen Choose Wisely ep2 yet. I had made my peace with the series. That and when I left, things were getting stale around here. Endless circling around basic points and arguments that were already agreed upon months before*.

I don't know if that's changed. According to Chriz, Leviathan was intriguing as it opened up new possibilities (which he wouldn't explain, since I still haven't played it btw. Sue me). However with Omega coming up I thought I'd drop by and see how things are doing. Won't be nearly as active as I once was however. It aint summer anymore, y'see.

So uh, yeah.

As for the synthesis argument going on right now: it's pointless to argue. The problem with the obvious is that whoever can’t see it never will if they see something else as ‘obvious’. It’s a basic flaw of human nature.

Hrothdane wrote...

Simon! Glad to see you again.

Lots of stuff, but the latest is that Chris mentioned that they are working on something called Project X, coincidentally the same name as the IT DLC clevernoob supposedly found out about.

Can you provide a link to clevernoob's finding and Chris' mention?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 29 octobre 2012 - 03:51 .

[Simon_Says]

starlitegirlx wrote...

I think we ITers have a nice example here of why people reject synthesis. We have suspected it. We have posted about it, but we have a test subject here that proves when people reject IT it is because they have not been paying attention and understanding what is happening. That they get so firmly behind their decision and then refuse to examine IT open mindedly supports that they have been indoctrinated or perhaps that they are just too close minded or even prefer to not think about things beyond face value.

Bu' iz jus' a game, brah.

Also I would like to say that Bioware has a recent history of making bold, pretentious claims for nothing in particular (remember the BSN upgrade thing?).

Modifié par Simon_Says, 29 octobre 2012 - 03:56 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Simon_Says wrote...

According to Chriz, Leviathan was intriguing as it opened up new possibilities (which he wouldn't explain, since I still haven't played it btw. Sue me).

Good to see you!

Leviathan helps IT like you can't even imagine. All my doubts about Bioware's intentions are gone.

[Hrothdane]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Simon! Glad to see you again.

Lots of stuff, but the latest is that Chris mentioned that they are working on something called Project X, coincidentally the same name as the IT DLC clevernoob supposedly found out about.

Can you provide a link to clevernoob's finding and Chris' mention?

The clevernoob thing is from one of his last videos. Chris mentioned it at London Comic-con and FFzero was there. Don't know if anyone has a video.

Most people think it's the new IP that BioWare mentioned before, but it just seems odd that it would have the same name. I'm keeping my mind open.

[smokingotter1]

I keep thinking if IT is false than why is control and synthesis so similar? From an older post I did remember how Shepard's facial scaring and look is exactly similar in both control and synthesis except for color. Why is that?






Reason is pretty simple. The same energy that is going through the synthesis beam is being funneled through the control panels, look:


Same energy:


Why is the scarring the same? Why is synthesis energy going through the control panels? Wouldn't it have the same result: destroying the person?

The synthesis energy represents reaper influence and only stops through destroy/refuse. That should be hint enough. Saran and TIM both had different reasons for helping the reapers and in some way had various amounts of influence on them. The end result is always the same.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 29 octobre 2012 - 04:04 .

[AlanC9]

You don't think it's because people have looked at your evidence and decided that it doesn't add up to anything?

[LazyTechGuy]

Hrothdane wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

This could go two ways; either he's playing coy or it's just a mere coincidence. I'd take it along the same lines as when Priestly shot the fan question "so what do you think about the indoctrination theory?" at Gamble at PAX East. The intonation of the question and the response could have either been hinting or lighthearted mockery. In other words, it could go either way.

If it's a coincidence, then it's one Chris is aware of because he's he person that came into the Project X thread and denied it. 

It probably means nothing, but I can entertain the idea that it means something without accepting it.

Which would make him a truly cynical individual who just loves to dangle the carrot because it makes him feel in control.

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Unrelated.  But someone named -Draikin- articulated the ending very well in another thread:

"I'd like to know what they were thinking (or smoking) when they decided to end the game in a way that had the "final boss" tell the main character to commit suicide to solve a problem that he/she didn't even want to solve."

[spotlessvoid]

Smoking Otter,
I was actually thinking about you this morning. What with the storm system to killed the dinosaurs supposedly closing in on us. Estimates of upward of 800 million dead and what not. Glad your a good swimmer bro! Lol

[spotlessvoid]

AlanC9 wrote...

You don't think it's because people have looked at your evidence and decided that it doesn't add up to anything?

The feeling is mutual. IT or not, synthesis and control were repeatedly foreshadowed against by Bioware. That much is obvious

[FFZero]

Unschuld wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Simon! Glad to see you again.

Lots of stuff, but the latest is that Chris mentioned that they are working on something called Project X, coincidentally the same name as the IT DLC clevernoob supposedly found out about.

This could go two ways; either he's playing coy or it's just a mere coincidence. I'd take it along the same lines as when Priestly shot the fan question "so what do you think about the indoctrination theory?" at Gamble at PAX East. The intonation of the question and the response could have either been hinting or lighthearted mockery. In other words, it could go either way.

I’m more inclined to think the Project X thing is coincidence, they are working on a brand new IP after all. It’s too early for it to have a proper name yet so Project X could easily be it’s early production name like Project Natal was for the Kinect. It is weird though that of all of the things he/BW could call it they chose Project X. With all the threads about Clevernoobs Project X it's impossible for them to not know about it and how the fans would react to an announcement like this.

Also sorry about not grabbing a video of the panel guys, tried to get it on my phone but it’s memory was full.

[GethPrimeMKII]

AlanC9 wrote...

You don't think it's because people have looked at your evidence and decided that it doesn't add up to anything?

Are you sure they looked through it? Are you sure they didnt take a single glace and think "TL;DR" ?

[smokingotter1]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Smoking Otter,
I was actually thinking about you this morning. What with the storm system to killed the dinosaurs supposedly closing in on us. Estimates of upward of 800 million dead and what not. Glad your a good swimmer bro! Lol

I otter be able to handle it.... :lol::happy:

I'll just leave now....

[demersel]

What's new?

[Andromidius]

starlitegirlx wrote...
Harbinger respects you? Can somebody post that link with all the harbinger quotes that make it quite clear there is no respect. It's simply a thing that wants to take control of you. It is not capable of respect. Isn't harbinger a reaper? Or is it a collector? I''m confused on that point since I never really thought about it.

"You are an annoyance."

"You are bacteria."

"You will fail."

Yep.  Lots of respect there.

[spotlessvoid]

Whether you feel the ending needs additional content or not, I think project x not being mass effect related cannot be viewed as anything but a blatant, intentional troll. They fully understand the implications of this word choice. It cannot be accidental. To me, that not a single developer has been willing to even acknowledge the question of ending dlc was tantamount to an admission that they are at least considering the possibility. Project X however is, to me, is not a coincidental choice of names. I take it as a promise from Bioware that ending dlc is forthcoming. If not, all trust in Bioware will be forever lost. You don't release that information knowing the implications it represents by accident. Either something secret mass effect content is coming, or they are trolling hardcore. This isall or nothing for me. Only one of the "big three" immediately coming clean and apologizing for any confusion would make me drop it.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Well, considering the fact that Priestly personally locked the Project X thread, he has to know what it is, and he has to be aware that this will only cause unrest.

I don't want to believe in a reveal (nor do I think it is really necessary, even though I would love to be vindicated for being called a conspiracy theorist time and again), because I don't want to be disappointed. What kind of sick game are they playing?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 29 octobre 2012 - 04:57 .

[Andromidius]

A twisted, gleeful, sadistic game.

And honestly, they might be being cruel to be kind. By repeatedly teasing and blocking infomation, denying and then confirming, giving cryptic replies to yes or no questions... They are sort of enhancing it.

It might be frustrating now. But come a reveal, it'll taste oh so sweet.

Or bitter, depending on the person.

[AresKeith]

Andromidius wrote...

A twisted, gleeful, sadistic game.

And honestly, they might be being cruel to be kind. By repeatedly teasing and blocking infomation, denying and then confirming, giving cryptic replies to yes or no questions... They are sort of enhancing it.

It might be frustrating now. But come a reveal, it'll taste oh so sweet.

Or bitter, depending on the person.

Which could be a problem in the long run?

[Andromidius]

Potentially. Hard to say.

[Restrider]

FFZero wrote...
I’m more inclined to think the Project X thing is coincidence, they are working on a brand new IP after all. It’s too early for it to have a proper name yet so Project X could easily be it’s early production name like Project Natal was for the Kinect. It is weird though that of all of the things he/BW could call it they chose Project X. With all the threads about Clevernoobs Project X it's impossible for them to not know about it and how the fans would react to an announcement like this.

Also sorry about not grabbing a video of the panel guys, tried to get it on my phone but it’s memory was full.

Couldn't have Project X always been the new IP and clevernoob just got it wrong?