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[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Seriously, what the hell is with communications in ME3?

During the intro you get a badly garbled message from Hackett. This is from his flagship, directly to the Normandy. i.e. Two vessels with secure communications that are designed to operate well in combat.

And yet Anderson achieves perfect quality holographic communications while on the run on Earth, long after the Reapers have secure control over the Sol System.

That just doesn't add up.

I believe the hologram communications are QEC.  Not even Reapers can **** with QEC.  But it's very rare and expensive, so it doesn't see much use.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

My favorite was the one with the two guys remembering the same wife. It was beyond creepy. Indoctrinating them to serve, killing them, making them husks, all that I expected and understood. But that... what the hell was that?

Its presumed that its a more basic, primative, maybe even instinctive form of Indoctrination.  The Reaper is as close to dead as can be, maybe its only working on a subconscious level (much like a person in a coma).  All I can do is defend itself at a basic level (raising Kinetic Barriers when the boarding party enters) and attempt to create a slave labour force (maybe in an attempt to self-repair?).

Its hard to tell.  But its certainly creepy as all hell.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Seriously, what the hell is with communications in ME3?

During the intro you get a badly garbled message from Hackett. This is from his flagship, directly to the Normandy. i.e. Two vessels with secure communications that are designed to operate well in combat.

And yet Anderson achieves perfect quality holographic communications while on the run on Earth, long after the Reapers have secure control over the Sol System.

That just doesn't add up.

I believe the hologram communications are QEC.  Not even Reapers can **** with QEC.  But it's very rare and expensive, so it doesn't see much use.

And apperently fully portable and easy to install.  And freely available on Earth.

...yeah.

[Humakt83]

Andromidius wrote...

Seriously, what the hell is with communications in ME3?

During the intro you get a badly garbled message from Hackett. This is from his flagship, directly to the Normandy. i.e. Two vessels with secure communications that are designed to operate well in combat.

And yet Anderson achieves perfect quality holographic communications while on the run on Earth, long after the Reapers have secure control over the Sol System.

That just doesn't add up.

Do not forget that Hackett's face shown on that communications device is a mirror image.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

My favorite was the one with the two guys remembering the same wife. It was beyond creepy. Indoctrinating them to serve, killing them, making them husks, all that I expected and understood. But that... what the hell was that?

Its presumed that its a more basic, primative, maybe even instinctive form of Indoctrination.  The Reaper is as close to dead as can be, maybe its only working on a subconscious level (much like a person in a coma).  All I can do is defend itself at a basic level (raising Kinetic Barriers when the boarding party enters) and attempt to create a slave labour force (maybe in an attempt to self-repair?).

Its hard to tell.  But its certainly creepy as all hell.

I'd say it's similar to the body still functioning even after becoming a vegetable. Antibodies will still fight disease.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Seriously, what the hell is with communications in ME3?

During the intro you get a badly garbled message from Hackett. This is from his flagship, directly to the Normandy. i.e. Two vessels with secure communications that are designed to operate well in combat.

And yet Anderson achieves perfect quality holographic communications while on the run on Earth, long after the Reapers have secure control over the Sol System.

That just doesn't add up.

I believe the hologram communications are QEC.  Not even Reapers can **** with QEC.  But it's very rare and expensive, so it doesn't see much use.

And apperently fully portable and easy to install.  And freely available on Earth.

...yeah.

The governments of Earth likely copied the technology from the Normandy and built many around the planet to use for wiretap-free cable communication. I think you guys are looking into this a little too deeply.

[401 Kill]

Andromidius wrote...

Seriously, what the hell is with communications in ME3?

During the intro you get a badly garbled message from Hackett. This is from his flagship, directly to the Normandy. i.e. Two vessels with secure communications that are designed to operate well in combat.

And yet Anderson achieves perfect quality holographic communications while on the run on Earth, long after the Reapers have secure control over the Sol System.

That just doesn't add up.

Don't forget- Hacket's scar is on the wrong side during the first communication.

[spotlessvoid]

Ahhh, literalist....
The Reapers are innocent
Starchild is innocent

It's all Shepard's ****ing fault, clearly

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...
The governments of Earth likely copied the technology from the Normandy and built many around the planet to use for wiretap-free cable communication. I think you guys are looking into this a little too deeply.

Again, freely available all over Earth post-Reaper invasion or easily portal...but isn't installed on board the Fleet Admiral's flagship?

...yeah.

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ahhh, literalist....
The Reapers are innocent
Starchild is innocent

It's all Shepard's ****ing fault, clearly

"The Reapers have it right? You're indoctrinated!"

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...



www.youtube.com/watch

This is the scene where Shepard survives the pieces from Sovereign. And look at 7:33 keep watching and look at Shepard's left arm. Look where the hand is.

Now tell me Shepard does cover this same spot when Shepard is holding his/her side, where a gun shot is present.

www.youtube.com/watch



i want you to watch the Renegade ending for ME2 again and pay attention.
www.youtube.com/watch

okay this is the Conversation Shepard, and Saren have at Virmire.

And it has Spanish sub titles, but English dub.

It's very interesting



Now watch this. This is from the final battle in ME1/last Conversation with Saren. Renegade


Now this is the same scene, but with Paragon Shepard. .

From video 2 at the end of ME2 Shepard tells TIM that if " You start
being selfish, dreaming about power, and we will all pay the price."

Correct
me if I am wrong, but didn't TIM crave power, and lead him to believe
that he can Control the Reapers, and we did pay the price because he got
corrupted by the lust of power to Control the Reapers.

Now in
Video 3 Saren is telling Shepard that what he is doing is to save
everyone in the galaxy, by helping the Reapers, which Shepard can do at
the end of ME3 Synthesis.Now when Shepard ask do you expect the Reapers
will let us live,

Saren tells Shepard " .....We Organics are driven by
emotion instead of logic, and we will fight even though we can not win,
but if we work with the Reapers. Make our self useful. Think how many
lives can be spared."
Synthesis, and Control spare everyone's lives.

Then Shepard tells Saren" You are afraid Sovereign is Controlling you. You
are afraid he is Controlling your thoughts."

well isn't that the same boat
we are in at the ending. We are afraid that the Catalyst is Contriving
us to pick his choices he likes, and we begin to question maybe the
Catalyst is right.

Then Saren tells Shepard that " I've studied the
affect of Indoctrination. The more Control Sovereign exerts, The less
capable the subject becomes......Sovereign needs me to find the Conduit.
my mind is still my own for now.The transformation between ally to servant can be unsettling. I will not let that happen to me"

One
the Catalyst needs Shepard to find a NEW Solution, and Shepard's mind
is still our own for now, until you pick Control, and Synthesis. And we
serve the Reapers in Control, and Synthesis because we are not their ally's, but we serve them in the end.

Then Shepard tells Saren "Sovereign is manipulating you, and you don"t even now it"

The Catalyst try's to manipulate both Shepard, and the player, into agreeing with his logic.

then
Saren says " NO Sovereign needs me. If I find the Conduit
I HAVE BEEN PROMISED TO
BE FREE FROM THE INEVITABLE.THIS IS MY ONLY HOPE"

The Catalyst promises that the cycle will end in Synthesis.
Also " hope is irrelevant." ---Harbinger

Then
after Shepard tells Saren that he is a Specter Saren tells Shepard " My
way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance
between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so
I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed.

Now didn't the
Catalyst say that this is the only way we can find peace. Where organics
and machines can live together, and he promises that Shepard will save everyone, by offering his choice.

Also I forgot that Saren say the exact same thing that TIMS says.

Saren" You will undo all that I have accomplished"

TIM:" You will undo all that I have accomplished"

in
Video 4 renegade Shepard tells Saren you could have fought. You could
have resisted.Instead you surrendered. You quit. Somkingotter took the
words right out of my mouth,


"I like how ME1 Renegade Shepard outlines the choices you have at the end of ME3

You could have fought: destroy
You could have resisted: control
Instead you surrendered: synthesis
You quit: refuse"

I fixed it Batman Turian:lol:

Modifié par masster blaster, 30 octobre 2012 - 12:43 .

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
The governments of Earth likely copied the technology from the Normandy and built many around the planet to use for wiretap-free cable communication. I think you guys are looking into this a little too deeply.

Again, freely available all over Earth post-Reaper invasion or easily portal...but isn't installed on board the Fleet Admiral's flagship?

...yeah.

pre-reaper invasion. It was there before the reapers arrived. Come on, don't go all Derelict Man on me.

[BatmanTurian]

masster blaster wrote...


I fixed it Batman Turian:lol:

much appreciated.

[BleedingUranium]

I think most of us have seen this by now, the "Reaper Mastery" banner in MP, the one that features Harbinger's hologram in the Citadel dream hallway.

But, can anyone think of a meaning for the title "Death Guard", that's on the banner? I'm thinking it could be related to Starbinger, because he was called the Guardian, and that's still what he is. By why Death Guard? Ideas?

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

pre-reaper invasion. It was there before the reapers arrived. Come on, don't go all Derelict Man on me.

And yet isn't used?  Even when it would be highly advantageous?  Like telling Shepard about the one last hope for the Galaxy before its too late to go pick the plans up?

Its not that far fetched to think something wrong is going on in regards to those communications.

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think most of us have seen this by now, the "Reaper Mastery" banner in MP, the one that features Harbinger's hologram in the Citadel dream hallway.

But, can anyone think of a meaning for the title "Death Guard", that's on the banner? I'm thinking it could be related to Starbinger, because he was called the Guardian, and that's still what he is. By why Death Guard? Ideas?

I don't know, because you DIE in most of the endings is my guess.

[masster blaster]

You know when people say the Catalyst saves all life I find that hard to believe. One Vigil said that the Reapers left behind their mindless Indoctrinated servants to die. Maybe not the Protheans, but what about the other races in Javiks cycle? What happened to them?

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

pre-reaper invasion. It was there before the reapers arrived. Come on, don't go all Derelict Man on me.

And yet isn't used?  Even when it would be highly advantageous?  Like telling Shepard about the one last hope for the Galaxy before its too late to go pick the plans up?

Its not that far fetched to think something wrong is going on in regards to those communications.

They picked up the technology when they impounded the SR2 and ripped out the insides then reverse-engineered it for governmental use. It's not widely available.

[BatmanTurian]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Seriously, what the hell is with communications in ME3?

During the intro you get a badly garbled message from Hackett. This is from his flagship, directly to the Normandy. i.e. Two vessels with secure communications that are designed to operate well in combat.

And yet Anderson achieves perfect quality holographic communications while on the run on Earth, long after the Reapers have secure control over the Sol System.

That just doesn't add up.

I believe the issue at first with communications was due to the reaper forces attacking. It caused problems initially. I think someone said reapers and their invasion of earth knocked out communications or maybe destroyed something needed. It continues until EDI can clear it up at some point around the beginning of the mars debrief.

Also, maybe that storm on mars had something to do with it (not when they first got on the ship because that would have been invasion issues) but when they got back to the ship and shepard talks to hackett in the room, there may have been interference due to that because James couldn't communicate with the normandy and then maybe normady was in the atmosphere of mars? I'm not sure how it works but it's possible that was the case if they had the normandy in orbit and just got the VS along with EDI's soon to be body back on the ship. I think Shepard said to head to the citadel but then hackett's transmission was received so they might not have gotten out of the atmosphere right away. Then it cleared up after EDI helped, but I think that one was Mars storm related since it was referenced several times during the mission.

Mars dust storm and Reapers were targeting sattelites, comm bouys, etc.

[spotlessvoid]

QEC isn't exactly space magic technology guys. They already did experiments using QE starting in the late 90s. Price and need have kept this in fledgling stage, but it's not anything new conceptually.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 30 octobre 2012 - 12:56 .

[Bill Casey]

BleedingUranium wrote...

But, can anyone think of a meaning for the title "Death Guard", that's on the banner? I'm thinking it could be related to Starbinger, because he was called the Guardian, and that's still what he is. By why Death Guard? Ideas?

Warhammer reference?



warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Guard

As the Dusk Raiders, the XIV Legion's armour was an unpainted storm grey. The entire right vambrace, gauntlet and shoulder plate (sometimes both) were painted the deep crimson of drying blood, which signified the XIV Legion's status as the "red right hand" of the Emperor's justice. After their Primarch Mortarion took command of the XIV Legion, the newly redubbed Death Guard began wearing ivory-grey unpainted ceramite, save for a few murky-jade coloured markings. After their acceptance of Nurgle as their patron, the Death Guard's armour has taken on a sickly green appearance.

A Mournful Unity

True to his oath, Mortarion bent his knee to his new-found father as soon as he was sufficiently recovered to do so, although his final act of defiance on Barbarus would leave scars upon him both physical and mental that would never fully heal. A skilled warlord in his own right, Mortarion was immediately given command of the XIV Legion which carried his genetic inheritance, and did so on his own terms. Gathering them before him, a grim and spectral figure robed and bearing the great black scythes that had once belonged to his nightmarish foster-father, it must have seemed to the Terran-born Dusk Raiders that an ancient, graven image of the Grim Reaper had come before them as their new master. His words were simple and delivered in a harsh whisper that never the less carried to each and every one: "You are my unbroken blades. You are the Death Guard. By your hand shall justice be delivered, and doom shall stalk a thousand worlds." The Legion's name was then changed in
accordance with this decree, and Mortarion's words were engraved above the airlock door of the Battle Barge Reaper's Scythe in honour of that moment. By this simple decree the Dusk Raiders were no more, and the records and annals from that day forward would carry this new name as one to strike fear into the hearts of Mankind's enemies.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 octobre 2012 - 01:04 .

[masster blaster]

(1) Because "another organic thrall" was too buisy on Noveria (or preparing to operation on Noveria). Eden Prime and Citadel attack situations were very similar, as you already admitted. And I strongly believe that in both cases Saren had to perform a task, which geth can't physically perform. In case of Citadel attack it could be only an attempt to talk to the Catalyst directly.

(2) Who told you that a colony was controlled only by one Leviathan? I think it's obvious that one Leviathan can directly control only one thrall at a time (two Brutes fighting each other). The same goes for one Reaper. Harbinger was able to control directly only one collector at a time in ME2. Nazara was able to control directly only Saren in the end of ME1. What we see in ME3 multiplayer in case of collectors is the cooperative work of several Reapers. And what we see on mining asteroid in DLC is cooperative work of several Leviathans.

Avina (and other holo-devices installed on the citadel) is not a Reaper creation, and is not under Catalyst control.

(3) If some one wants to call someone just an exceprional individual, he calles it juts exceptional individual. No need to use "anomaly" word. Shepard is not just a strong leader, she is a creaature with some unique biological properties.

The Catalyst wasn't forced, it helps Shepard willingly. If it was forced and didn't want to help, it would just leave Shepard to die instead of talking to her. The situation is completely under Catalyst control, and it wants to find next solution with Shepard.

(4) Considering Leviathan captured Shepard mind in matter of seconds, I can't believe in what you are saying. Shepard was fully influenced in Arrival, and wasn't killed/harvested after that. Escape was also pretty easy. It looks like Catalyst just let Shepard go, and all Arrival events were just another trial.

(5) And why should it? It's not a "talk-show host". It shares only info it thinks must be shared without unneeded ceremonies. ME Trilogy is Shepard's trial. And the Gate Keeper will never share too much, so the trial can be completed naturally.

(6) No it wouldn't, because until the problem solved permanently history will always repeat itself.

(7) Anyone always have doubts even with full understanding. If you will allow someone to play on your doubts successfully, you may become confused, and then change your mind. Saren was not perfect, and Shepard has exceptional charm skill. I think that Shepard could easily convince you (for example) that real world is a dream, and you would believe that, or at least wouldn't be able to counter-argument.

(8) Yes, and this means Saren cooperates willingly, and ready to sacrifice himself for sake of others. At the beginning Saren joined just to show that some organics can be useful and don't deserve death. And later he started to understand true Reaper purpose - preservation of life.

(9) The lack of in-game evidence would disagree with you too.

(10) Saren's body became much stronger unit than the original Saren, so commiting suicude was not a help. Just a blind desire to punish himself. Catalyst could do the same thing to TIM, but there was no need in that. Because Catalyst decided to help Shepard and offer to find the next solution together.

(12) You can say that "freedom" is a desire to change a way to be under control, to choose another "controller". And freedom is an illusion, because short-sighted people who desire freedom delude themself that they will "get out of control". They just don't understand that it's impossible.---Sevial

did I miss something earlier?

[Simon_Says]

spotlessvoid wrote...

QEC isn't exactly space magic technology guys. They already did experiments using QE starting in the late 90s. Price and need have kept this in fledgling stage, but it's not anything new conceptually.

Except that quantum entanglement can't be used as a form of communication. There's even debate over what it is. The only thing about it is that when two systems become entangled their states are directly related when observed. Were their states set when they became entangled? Do they collapse into their states upon observation? How fast is this link if it exists? More importantly, from what frame(s) of reference are they operating in*?

Either way, you can't use QEC to communicate, since no classical information is transmitted. You can use it to secure a subluminal communication, however. And theoretically you can maybe use it for other useful purposes, but phoning home from Tau Ceti aint one of them. Then again, in ME ships can explicitly move faster than light even in their local frame and the violation of conservation of energy forms the bedrock of galactic technology, so yeah.

*This in particular bugs me. The common interpretation is that entangled pairs affect each other 'instantaneously'. Except we know very well that simultaneity is completely dependent on one's frame of reference, if there is no direct causal relationship. I won't get into this because this is exactly why FTL of any form is problematic (yes, even for wormholes and other similar shenanigans).

Modifié par Simon_Says, 30 octobre 2012 - 01:26 .