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[Restrider]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

You were using another account?

@Restrider What's with the "lit(t)eralist" thing? Sorry, it's probably obvious.

British English ftw...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

starlitegirlx wrote...

I just noticed that there are some interesting 'achievements' that might be worth noting for IT purposes if you look under the 'achievements' tab in the MP. (go to profile>games>click on Mass Effect 3) which gives you all your MP info.

If you click on the achievements tab, at the very bottom there are locked achievements, apparently 57 of them. I have done the Eden Prime one so I guess this may be intended to unlock with the next DLC which is OMEGA and perhaps other ones. What is interesting is that some of them don't seem to pertain to anything currently in ME3. Ones that really stand out to me are:

- investigate a sinister conspiracy (does not fit any current DLC as far as I know)
- learn more about prothean empire (From Ashes DLC)
- rescue a civilian from reaper forces (Leviathan)
- uncover an ancient secret (leviathan?)
- use clues to pinpoint the exact location of an objective (Leviathan)

Granted, I haven't played the game in full since downloading the the maps so some of these might change if I were to play the game but they are listed under locked so I'm not sure if they will or if they are connected to Omega. I'm just wondering about them and if anyone has unlocked any of them yet. Also, I'm wondering about everyone's take on what they represent.

Thoughts?

The "investigate a sinister conspiracy" is a Leviathan achievement. It's when you do the mission on the asteroid with the miners who are acting weird.

[MaximizedAction]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

FFZero wrote...

excelon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

So you see the large letters first?
Fascinating...

You saw the little letters first too?

Hey I have a question: my cousin has Asperger's too and she doesn't really make all that much eye contact. I just got to ask why is it so hard to make eye contact? Everytime I talk to her it seems like she's hiding something or is lying to me. I think it's because of the Asperger's Idk. Just wondering sorry.

I know the question is directed at Revan but I believe I know the answer. People with Aspergers syndrome are in general socially awkward and can find certain social behaviours difficult, particularly nonverbal behaviors such as eye contact. A friend of mine has Aspergers syndrome and he’s the same, very rarely makes/keeps eye contact and generally comes off as rather awkward in conversations.

That is because of her Asperger's, yes. FFZero answered it very nicely.

The reverse conclusion is not true, I think.
I mean, I too have real problems looking people in the eyes when talking to them, but in my case it's probably more of some kind of fear - at least, that's my interpretation, other people probably just find it rude.

Also, one shouldn't confuse 'awkward in conversations' with 'ohmagawd, I'm so awkward I'm a geek', because I've seen two Asperger students at my faculty, and I don't think the word 'awkward' really sufficiently describes it. That's some serious stuff.

ps: I saw the small letters first, too...had to squinch my eyes to make out the big letter, and I don't have Asperger's. So I think it does have to do with the distance from which you're looking at them.

And now: back to speculations (just please not about AC3).

[FOX216BC]

masster blaster wrote...

Project X Dwailing Project x, and there is this....

AC3 ending sucks. People are calling it the new ME3 ending.

Also 1 more minute till Red Vs Blue.

Wow when Hannibal's defeated the Romans in 216bc at Cannae, his victory has made the name "Cannae" a byword for military success.
Did Bioware set a new trend were very bad endings will be referred to as ME3 endings?

Modifié par FOX216BC, 30 octobre 2012 - 09:53 .

[demersel]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

- use clues to pinpoint the exact location of an objective (Leviathan had the clues and search part)

Thoughts?

You know what's interesting in light of IT? This achievement is called "conspiracy theorist". Its definition is as you quoted. IT fans are often labeled "conspiracy theorists", and the achievement description is nothing but a definition of pure logic.

And the best thing is that Leviathan, along with all of it's achievment, came out long time after even the EC, so by that time IT was well known. ))

[jojon2se]

starlitegirlx wrote...
...
- use clues to pinpoint the exact location of an objective (Leviathan had the clues and search part)
...
Thoughts?

I'm pretty sure that one is for when you refine your clue selection in the lab to indeed pinpoint ONE system, given it is also possible to run off earlier, when you've got three-ish candidates and instead scan them in turn, to determine which is the one.

I did this (EDIT: even seem to recall getting a popup message), but the achievement is still not flagged -- I believe that may be a glitch, though.

I haven't got the ...discover ancient secret... thing either and its title "Under Pressure" sure sounds likely to refer to your little deep sea excursion.

Modifié par jojon2se, 30 octobre 2012 - 10:15 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm want to try to play the game with an IT viewpoint just to see what it's like. Do you guys have any advice on how my mindframe should be attuned to fully experience this? I understand where IT is coming from, but can't mentally cross the concept bridge without guidance.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 30 octobre 2012 - 10:53 .

[demersel]

What's a "IH viewpoint"?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

demersel wrote...

What's a "IH viewpoint"?

I meant IT, sorry. I was watching something while typing and got the two mixed up. I fixed it.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 30 octobre 2012 - 10:57 .

[demersel]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

What's a "IH viewpoint"?

I meant IT, sorry. I was watching something while typing and got the two mixed up. I fixed it.

I can tell you, that when you start a playthrough of ME3 alone with IT in mind - is painfully blunt and obvious and in your face. It's like in every single conversation you have. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

demersel wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

What's a "IH viewpoint"?

I meant IT, sorry. I was watching something while typing and got the two mixed up. I fixed it.

I can tell you, that when you start a playthrough of ME3 alone with IT in mind - is painfully blunt and obvious and in your face. It's like in every single conversation you have. 

So I should start a new game, or can I just continue from where I am, which is pre-Chronos Station, to get the full effect?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'm want to try to play the game with an IT viewpoint just to see what it's like. Do you guys have any advice on how my mindframe should be attuned to fully experience this? I understand where IT is coming from, but can't mentally cross the concept bridge without guidance.

I havent really done an IT play through myself, mostly because I always felt something was off in the ending and IT simply made it click so to speak.

But I would say that the most important parts of an IT playthrough is beeing mindful of Dialogue and Themes presented through the game. Be mindful of how characters describe the Reapers and if certain words are used repeatedly ("Nightmare" would be an example here as it is used by Garrus to describe the Reapers on the Banshee mission and later by Shepard Him/herself on Thessia).

Any dialogue about illusions or Indoctrination is obviusly also important to look at.

Reading and memorizing the important parts of the Indoctrination Codex is also a good thing to do prior. Not rushing through the nightmare sequences is also a good idea, especially try experimenting with the sounds in the dreams, removing music or sounds and then simply listening to what is left.

And that is really what I can say. Listen to the characters and what they say, think about how it would relate to the ending and what they would support.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:14 .

[demersel]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

What's a "IH viewpoint"?

I meant IT, sorry. I was watching something while typing and got the two mixed up. I fixed it.

I can tell you, that when you start a playthrough of ME3 alone with IT in mind - is painfully blunt and obvious and in your face. It's like in every single conversation you have. 

So I should start a new game, or can I just continue from where I am, which is pre-Chronos Station, to get the full effect?

You should deffinitly start a new playthrough. With an imported save - it is much more obvious that way. 
Common misconseption is that IT is only because the last mission seems weird and out of place. No - it is the whole game. Right from the start. 

Modifié par demersel, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:16 .

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

You should deffinitly start a new playthrough. With an imported save - it is much more obvious that way. 
Common misconseption is that IT is only because the last mission seems weird and out of place. No - it is the whole game. Right from the start. 

@ Revan I suggest paying particular attention to the child (the "real" one) and his surroundings. There are some very noticable visual and auditory cues.

They seem very intentional to me, but I suppose I'm biased because I enjoy the IT theory and hope that it's true.

See what you think as a sceptic, we'd be interested to hear your take on them.

Modifié par Eryri, 30 octobre 2012 - 11:24 .

[Leonia]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'm want to try to play the game with an IT viewpoint just to see what it's like. Do you guys have any advice on how my mindframe should be attuned to fully experience this? I understand where IT is coming from, but can't mentally cross the concept bridge without guidance.

Just listen closely to the dialogues with Garrus and Javik - those two practically prepare you for the final decision. I replayed the game after learning of IT and it was all clear as day. There's just so many instances referencing control, synthesis, reaper methods and hints at the ending choice.

I think Javik's intentions are quite clear. However, I am curious as to what you think Garrus thinks on the situation. The conversation regarding dictators seems to favour control and he even speaks favourably of TIM at Cronos station (with the addendum that he once had good intentions but has since gone mad). I like to think all of the squad-mates would support Destroy but that's just wishful thinking, when you get down to it.. do you really think they'd all agree?

[demersel]

If you look really carefull at all of this - it is as if your crew is going through all the same stuf that is shepard going through (they all fight their personal battle with indoctrination) - but somehow they are better at it (as in they don't need your help by now) - and they see and recognise what is shepard going through - but they can only hope that he'll prevail, since it is a battle each one must fight for himsefl - they can only help you with words.

[Rifneno]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I think Javik's intentions are quite clear. However, I am curious as to what you think Garrus thinks on the situation. The conversation regarding dictators seems to favour control and he even speaks favourably of TIM at Cronos station (with the addendum that he once had good intentions but has since gone mad). I like to think all of the squad-mates would support Destroy but that's just wishful thinking, when you get down to it.. do you really think they'd all agree?

"Sometimes, the universe needs cold hearted dictators" / "if one million over here must die so that two millions over there would live, could you pull the trigger?" (not an exact quote)

Both favor destroy. Control implies that Shepard can do what he wants with the Reapers - both paragon and renegade control epilogues paint him as a leader who is serving the many, with different measures of force - so he is a dictator, but not really "cold-hearted". To destroy, however, is to kill one million over here so that two millions over there can live. If you reply with the paragon option to Garrus' question whether you could pull the trigger (cp. Shep's action in destroy), you essentially say that it's immoral and that war cannot be reduced to mathematics - to which Garrus replies "a nice sentiment - let's hope we can live by it".

Javik is a lot more explicit - he mentions that the Reapers turned children against their people because they would have trouble fighting back; this is a direct reference to starbinger. He also tells the story of one race from his cycle that underwent synthesis and was enslaved by the synthetic components - "they were monsters". The final dialogue with him is also a strong hint: Link (especially beginning at 1:00) - there is no other significant decision apart from that in the decision chamber after that dialogue.

I just hope that Javik having to execute his entire crew when they wound up indoctrinated isn't foreshadowing Shepard's future.  That would...  God, God no.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

You have to remember that Control supporters believe that it is the Paragon choice (shows how deluded they are) because "no one else dies". Shepard sacrifices themselves to save everyone... Yah..

So that cold logic does not come into play with Control. It is meant to fool at the most simple of levels (the color swap).

As to what your squadmates think, over the course of the series, never once did they mention ideals similar to TIM's or Starbrat/Harbinger's (Control and "Ascension")

[demersel]

ME3 - is one big loyalty mission for shepard.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

You know I was just thinking (This may go nowhere/lead to nothing):

Javik was the pinnacle warrior of his time. Entrusted with leading any surviving Protheans after the war.

His entire crew/squad was indoctrinated and they hunted him endlessly until Javik managed to ambush and kill all of them.

Now I always thought they were drawing parallels between Javik and Shepard, but now I see much deeper.

The Reapers, if they wanted could have pushed harder and indoctrinated him along with his crew, instead they chose to subvert and destroy not only his moral and resolve but also that of the remaining Protheans.

The Reapers took vested interest in demoralizing the Prothean people by subverting their leader.

Sound familiar?

[Restrider]

For me, it was Refuse at first. Since I felt kind of betrayed by that ending, I chose Control - because I simply wanted the power. Synthesis, I first thought that it was the best choice, but something was really off with it, Destroy was the straight-forward choice, but the Shep I played in my first ME3 playthrough was more of renegade character. I think the choice I made after Refuse was triggered by the fact that I did not want to jump through loops anymore to get what I want (since ME1 actually). It was some kind of sociopathic "F*CK YOU" reaction to all those that opposed me.
Then IT happenend...

[demersel]

Reapers want to eradicate the very notion of opposing them through any type of open confrontation. Only those who a very serious reson for avoiding it would do such a thing.