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[Linkforlife]

demersel wrote...

I did prove you wrong.

Go back to my first post, I reedited my post to say just that. Like I said, I realized my mistake after I finished submitting it.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Linkforlife wrote...

Yes, I realized that it was an indoctrination point after I typed it, I was considering editing it, but I thought you would have been smart enough to see that. Instead you have to resort to attacking someone.

And back to my original point, I said "could" I never said that he HAD PTSD, I said it was a possibility, all you had to do was prove me wrong and I would have stopped right there.

Well we did kinda prove you wrong through the fact that Shepard is missing a key element of PTSD, the aversion to the events which caused the PTSD.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Yes, I realized that it was an indoctrination point after I typed it, I was considering editing it, but I thought you would have been smart enough to see that. Instead you have to resort to attacking someone.

And back to my original point, I said "could" I never said that he HAD PTSD, I said it was a possibility, all you had to do was prove me wrong and I would have stopped right there.

Well we did kinda prove you wrong through the fact that Shepard is missing a key element of PTSD, the aversion to the events which caused the PTSD.

This.

Kelly Chambers has PTSD. She doesn't want to be on the Normandy again, for fear of reliving the trauma of being abducted by the collectors.

Shepard doesn't show any signs of this type of behaviour.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:46 .

[Linkforlife]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Yes, I realized that it was an indoctrination point after I typed it, I was considering editing it, but I thought you would have been smart enough to see that. Instead you have to resort to attacking someone.

And back to my original point, I said "could" I never said that he HAD PTSD, I said it was a possibility, all you had to do was prove me wrong and I would have stopped right there.

Well we did kinda prove you wrong through the fact that Shepard is missing a key element of PTSD, the aversion to the events which caused the PTSD.

Yes, I realized this, that is why I went back and edited my first post regarding this, can we drop this now?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Yes, I realized that it was an indoctrination point after I typed it, I was considering editing it, but I thought you would have been smart enough to see that. Instead you have to resort to attacking someone.

And back to my original point, I said "could" I never said that he HAD PTSD, I said it was a possibility, all you had to do was prove me wrong and I would have stopped right there.

Well we did kinda prove you wrong through the fact that Shepard is missing a key element of PTSD, the aversion to the events which caused the PTSD.

This.

Kelly Cahmbers has PTSD. She doesn't want to be on the Normandy again, for fear of reliving the trauma of being abducted by the collectors.

And as I mentioned the Asari in Huerta Memorial Hospital who is out right called PTSD victim.

Two PTSD victims in game displaying a critical PTSD symptom which Shepard shows no signs of.

[demersel]

It will take some time now for the hornet's nest you've stirred up to settle down again. ))

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Linkforlife wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Yes, I realized that it was an indoctrination point after I typed it, I was considering editing it, but I thought you would have been smart enough to see that. Instead you have to resort to attacking someone.

And back to my original point, I said "could" I never said that he HAD PTSD, I said it was a possibility, all you had to do was prove me wrong and I would have stopped right there.

Well we did kinda prove you wrong through the fact that Shepard is missing a key element of PTSD, the aversion to the events which caused the PTSD.

Yes, I realized this, that is why I went back and edited my first post regarding this, can we drop this now?

Okay, sorry It just wasent clear from your posts if you had seen that bit.

[Rifneno]

I think we're missing the big picture here. Shepard may not have PTSD... but Jacob still sucks.

[Linkforlife]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Yes, I realized that it was an indoctrination point after I typed it, I was considering editing it, but I thought you would have been smart enough to see that. Instead you have to resort to attacking someone.

And back to my original point, I said "could" I never said that he HAD PTSD, I said it was a possibility, all you had to do was prove me wrong and I would have stopped right there.

Well we did kinda prove you wrong through the fact that Shepard is missing a key element of PTSD, the aversion to the events which caused the PTSD.

Yes, I realized this, that is why I went back and edited my first post regarding this, can we drop this now?

Okay, sorry It just wasent clear from your posts if you had seen that bit.

I apologize for any confusion that has occured as a result of it.

[Linkforlife]

Rifneno wrote...

I think we're missing the big picture here. Shepard may not have PTSD... but Jacob still sucks.

I agree good sir.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

I think we're missing the big picture here. Shepard may not have PTSD... but Jacob still sucks.

Yep. And he's still on the citadel when you storm cronos. Yet you can call him up to have a nice chat when you're on earth. This kind of tells that the whole "goodbuy via comm" thing might be fake. And one more proof that there is something seriosly off with the QEC. (i still say that each time we use it we're talking to or through a reaper). 

[Andromidius]

I just see it as Jacob being a lazy sod. Quite why he's hanging around a hospital I have no idea, maybe he's trying to get a sick note.

"Dear Admiral Hackett, I'd love to storm Earth with you and the rest of the fleet but I'm afraid I'm terminally ill with a varity of different and highly contageous diseases. Darn. All the best, Jacob."

[byne]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I think we're missing the big picture here. Shepard may not have PTSD... but Jacob still sucks.

Yep. And he's still on the citadel when you storm cronos. Yet you can call him up to have a nice chat when you're on earth. This kind of tells that the whole "goodbuy via comm" thing might be fake. And one more proof that there is something seriosly off with the QEC. (i still say that each time we use it we're talking to or through a reaper). 

You can say that as many times as you want, but it will never be how QECs actually work.

[Dwailing]

So, how's it going everyone? I see there's been more PTSD conversation.

[demersel]

Look - this works something like this.

QEC is strictly point to point - there are two particles that are connected via quantum entaglent - you change the ste of one particle - the other one changes accordingly.

So, basicly it is A to B.

And this works exaclty like that in ME2.

But in ME3 you suddenly can call multiple people in very different places,

How can this be?

Imegine you're at point A.
Then Anderson is at point B.
and then you get Hackett - he's at point C
And the Dalatress - she's point D.

So how does it work? The only way for it to work the way it is for you communicator already being connected woth those four points (and infinite numbers of others we didn't yet call, or talket to, but who are potentially there, since the normandy was retrofitted to be Allience flagship)

So really that would give as that Point A actually consist of infinite nuber of other points -
like this:
Point A = (B1+C1+D1+Xn1)

That does look a bit overcomplicated doesn't it? because all other points would also have to be like that for them being able to speak to anyone but you.

There is another way how it can work.

Imagine - you're point A.
What is point B?
Point A - is just a small particle (could be an atom) that is connected to some other particle (atom somewhere)

So, what if that atom - that point B is actually an atom that is part of a Reaper?

Reapers are huge. They have infinite number of particles in them. Any one of them could potentially be quantum entangled with some other particle somewhere.

What if you point A calls point B which is a reaper.
And in tern that point be could call any other point - Like anderson is A1, Hacket is A2, Dalatres is A3 etc... And the reapers only consists of points B? THey are huge computers after all - it would be no trouble for them to process and relete the information faster than in real time.

In fact that could be the exact way the indoctrination itself works - it entangles organic particles to be in alignment to them - once you get enough of you brain or body tuned in line with the reapers - you'll start hearing them all the time. When it is extensive enougfh they would even be able to directly control you.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...
You can say that as many times as you want, but it will never be how QECs actually work.

Though I do have to wonder if the Reapers were semi-responsible for its creation.  I mean everything else apperently is, and it would make sense that they use a similar system themselves (or maybe something better).

Who knows.

[demersel]

We do know them to use it! Object Rho is connected to the reapers via quntum entanglent. It would actually explaint how are they able to assume direct control, and why even parts of dead reapers still can indoctrinate. It explains the rapid transformation of body tissue into - huskiefied flesh. It explains whispers, - all of it.

You just don't want to listed and thing about the concept even for one minute for some reason. 

Modifié par demersel, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

Look - this works something like this.

QEC is strictly point to point - there are two particles that are connected via quantum entaglent - you change the ste of one particle - the other one changes accordingly.

So, basicly it is A to B.

And this works exaclty like that in ME2.

But in ME3 you suddenly can call multiple people in very different places,

How can this be?

Imegine you're at point A.
Then Anderson is at point B.
and then you get Hackett - he's at point C
And the Dalatress - she's point D.

So how does it work? The only way for it to work the way it is for you communicator already being connected woth those four points (and infinite numbers of others we didn't yet call, or talket to, but who are potentially there, since the normandy was retrofitted to be Allience flagship)

So really that would give as that Point A actually consist of infinite nuber of other points -
like this:
Point A = (B1+C1+D1+Xn1)

That does look a bit overcomplicated doesn't it? because all other points would also have to be like that for them being able to speak to anyone but you.

There is another way how it can work.

Imagine - you're point A.
What is point B?
Point A - is just a small particle (could be an atom) that is connected to some other particle (atom somewhere)

So, what if that atom - that point B is actually an atom that is part of a Reaper?

Reapers are huge. They have infinite number of particles in them. Any one of them could potentially be quantum entangled with some other particle somewhere.

What if you point A calls point B which is a reaper.
And in tern that point be could call any other point - Like anderson is A1, Hacket is A2, Dalatres is A3 etc... And the reapers only consists of points B? THey are huge computers after all - it would be no trouble for them to process and relete the information faster than in real time.

In fact that could be the exact way the indoctrination itself works - it entangles organic particles to be in alignment to them - once you get enough of you brain or body tuned in line with the reapers - you'll start hearing them all the time. When it is extensive enougfh they would even be able to directly control you.

We could go by the disturbingly logical conclusion that the Alliance has been evolving the QEC equibment during the war allowing to become at least semi portable (as in it it can be set up rather easily) and making sure each drop zone had one linked to the others? I mean I can see why you would want to improve on equibment allowing communication with no chance of the enemy listening in.

Also...is the equibment on Earth ever refered to as a QEC? I cant remember, but if not the entire point is a bit moot. Even if it looks like QEC holos from the Normandy, holos are nothing new in ME so it could easily be a standard communicator (again unless its is mentioned as a QEC, cant remember).

[byne]

demersel wrote...

You just don't want to listed and thing about the concept even for one minute for some reason. 

Because unless we're just finding random QECs laying in the street, we know how they were created, and we know which particles are entangled. At no point were Reapers ever involved.

A change in one particle affects the other one instantly. There is no point at which the signal would ever pass through a Reaper.

[byne]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

We could go by the disturbingly logical conclusion that the Alliance has been evolving the QEC equibment during the war allowing to become at least semi portable (as in it it can be set up rather easily) and making sure each drop zone had one linked to the others? I mean I can see why you would want to improve on equibment allowing communication with no chance of the enemy listening in.

QECs were already portable by the time the Reapers invaded. The live-tweeting of the invasion Emily Wong did was being done through a QEC she had in the back of her skycar

[demersel]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

We could go by the disturbingly logical conclusion that the Alliance has been evolving the QEC equibment during the war allowing to become at least semi portable (as in it it can be set up rather easily) and making sure each drop zone had one linked to the others? I mean I can see why you would want to improve on equibment allowing communication with no chance of the enemy listening in.

for that to you'd have to physicly add new parts to ALL of your comm devices EACH time you make a new one. Across all the galaxy with all the races. 

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Also...is the equibment on Earth ever refered to as a QEC? I cant remember, but if not the entire point is a bit moot. Even if it looks like QEC holos from the Normandy, holos are nothing new in ME so it could easily be a standard communicator (again unless its is mentioned as a QEC, cant remember).

It doesn't say it anywhere. BUT - in the beginning of ME3 when reapers come NOTHING works BUT the QEC. In the end of ME3 the reapers are still there so why would it change? No the device on earth can't be anything other than QEC. 

[demersel]

byne wrote...

QECs were already portable by the time the Reapers invaded. The live-tweeting of the invasion Emily Wong did was being done through a QEC she had in the back of her skycar

Just think for a second, use your brain!
How can a thing that uses point to point principle, be connected to all of the same devices AND be portable at the same time. 

And don't give me "that's not how QEC works". Cause you don't know that either. And if you do - please expain it here to me so i could take notes, and go patent the thing tomorrow and be rich for the rest of my life (that was a joke if you can't tell)

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

It doesn't say it anywhere. BUT - in the beginning of ME3 when reapers come NOTHING works BUT the QEC. In the end of ME3 the reapers are still there so why would it change? No the device on earth can't be anything other than QEC. 

Nothing work for intergalactic communication, radio chatter would still works though as shown by...every single time EDI or anyone else give us a an update through raido chatter.

Every single person we speak to through the communicator is London or in orbit above somewhere. It can really be as simple as that.

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...

I think we're missing the big picture here. Shepard may not have PTSD... but Jacob still sucks.

QFT

[byne]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

QECs were already portable by the time the Reapers invaded. The live-tweeting of the invasion Emily Wong did was being done through a QEC she had in the back of her skycar

Just think for a second, use your brain!
How can a thing that uses point to point principle, be connected to all of the same devices AND be portable at the same time. 

And don't give me "that's not how QEC works". Cause you don't know that either. And if you do - please expain it here to me so i could take notes, and go patent the thing tomorrow and be rich for the rest of my life (that was a joke if you can't tell)

I see literally no reason it cant be portable. And one QEC can only be connected to one other QEC. It cant be connected to multiple other ones. You could have one QEC terminal with multiple different QEC connections though.

At no point should "REAPERS DID IT" enter the equation.