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[demersel]

We KNOW that ME series writers used Hyperion series as one of the source for inspiration. So in that book there were two things that the enemy used in secret to control the galaxy - the things everybody used as it was convinient technology that made their life easier - And those were TRANSPORT and COMMUNICATION.

They had the Protal Network (transport) and the Fatline (comm).. Both were instant across all of the galaxy. Fatline was even believed to be working on the principle of Quantum entanglent (which turned out to be a lie).

ME has Relay network - for the ease of travel And QEC for the easy of communication.

Believe me, I know where i'm coming from with this.

Modifié par demersel, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Humakt83]

Jacob is meh. Anyway, how many days were Shepard unconscious/dreaming after beacon on Eden Prime at the beginning of trilogy? How many in Arrival?

[demersel]

byne wrote...
 You could have one QEC terminal with multiple different QEC connections though.

Exactly my point! and that one QEC terminal is a Reaper!

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

Look - this works something like this.

QEC is strictly point to point - there are two particles that are connected via quantum entaglent - you change the ste of one particle - the other one changes accordingly.

So, basicly it is A to B.

And this works exaclty like that in ME2.

But in ME3 you suddenly can call multiple people in very different places,

How can this be?

Imegine you're at point A.
Then Anderson is at point B.
and then you get Hackett - he's at point C
And the Dalatress - she's point D.

So how does it work? The only way for it to work the way it is for you communicator already being connected woth those four points (and infinite numbers of others we didn't yet call, or talket to, but who are potentially there, since the normandy was retrofitted to be Allience flagship)

So really that would give as that Point A actually consist of infinite nuber of other points -
like this:
Point A = (B1+C1+D1+Xn1)

That does look a bit overcomplicated doesn't it? because all other points would also have to be like that for them being able to speak to anyone but you.

There is another way how it can work.

Imagine - you're point A.
What is point B?
Point A - is just a small particle (could be an atom) that is connected to some other particle (atom somewhere)

So, what if that atom - that point B is actually an atom that is part of a Reaper?

Reapers are huge. They have infinite number of particles in them. Any one of them could potentially be quantum entangled with some other particle somewhere.

What if you point A calls point B which is a reaper.
And in tern that point be could call any other point - Like anderson is A1, Hacket is A2, Dalatres is A3 etc... And the reapers only consists of points B? THey are huge computers after all - it would be no trouble for them to process and relete the information faster than in real time.

In fact that could be the exact way the indoctrination itself works - it entangles organic particles to be in alignment to them - once you get enough of you brain or body tuned in line with the reapers - you'll start hearing them all the time. When it is extensive enougfh they would even be able to directly control you.

Not this again....
The Normandy SR2 was upgraded with more than one pair of entangled particles, because it was designed to serve as a command center for Admiral Anderson. Hence the war room - and communication upgrades.

[byne]

demersel wrote...

We KNOW that ME series writers used Hyperion series as one of the source for inspiration. So in that book there were two things that the enemy used in secret to control the galaxy - the things everybody used as it was convinient technology that made their life easier - And those were TRANSPORT and COMMUNICATION.

They had the Protal Network (transport) and the Fatline (comm).. Both were instant across all of the galaxy. Fatline was even believed to be working on the principle of Quantum entanglent (which turned out to be a lie).

ME has Relay network - for the ease of travel And QEC for the easy of communication.

Believe me, I know where i'm coming from with this.

Except we built the QECs. We know for a fact that they work using quantum entanglement because we were the ones who made them.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

QECs were already portable by the time the Reapers invaded. The live-tweeting of the invasion Emily Wong did was being done through a QEC she had in the back of her skycar

Just think for a second, use your brain!
How can a thing that uses point to point principle, be connected to all of the same devices AND be portable at the same time. 

And don't give me "that's not how QEC works". Cause you don't know that either. And if you do - please expain it here to me so i could take notes, and go patent the thing tomorrow and be rich for the rest of my life (that was a joke if you can't tell)

Ehm the Normandy moves about half the galaxy and remains connected, I dont think making the QEC portable is problem.

[demersel]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

We KNOW that ME series writers used Hyperion series as one of the source for inspiration. So in that book there were two things that the enemy used in secret to control the galaxy - the things everybody used as it was convinient technology that made their life easier - And those were TRANSPORT and COMMUNICATION.

They had the Protal Network (transport) and the Fatline (comm).. Both were instant across all of the galaxy. Fatline was even believed to be working on the principle of Quantum entanglent (which turned out to be a lie).

ME has Relay network - for the ease of travel And QEC for the easy of communication.

Believe me, I know where i'm coming from with this.

Except we built the QECs. We know for a fact that they work using quantum entanglement because we were the ones who made them.

Oh Yeah? And how and when did we come up with the idea? Does the phrase "All your technology developed by the path we desired?" ring any bells? 

[byne]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...
 You could have one QEC terminal with multiple different QEC connections though.

Exactly my point! and that one QEC terminal is a Reaper!

AND IT TURNS OUT THAT REAPER IS TIM!

I'm done talking about this. You're just pulling things out of thin air, then telling me to use my brain when i dont agree with your wild ideas.

[demersel]

No, Byne. That reaprer used to be the derelict reaper in ME2 initially, but we destroyed it. Now it is just some other one, perhaps even Harbinger.
And besides, wasn't the QEC technology introduced after analising soverign's debrees?

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

We KNOW that ME series writers used Hyperion series as one of the source for inspiration. So in that book there were two things that the enemy used in secret to control the galaxy - the things everybody used as it was convinient technology that made their life easier - And those were TRANSPORT and COMMUNICATION.

They had the Protal Network (transport) and the Fatline (comm).. Both were instant across all of the galaxy. Fatline was even believed to be working on the principle of Quantum entanglent (which turned out to be a lie).

ME has Relay network - for the ease of travel And QEC for the easy of communication.

Believe me, I know where i'm coming from with this.

Except we built the QECs. We know for a fact that they work using quantum entanglement because we were the ones who made them.

Oh Yeah? And how and when did we come up with the idea? Does the phrase "All your technology developed by the path we desired?" ring any bells? 

Even today we know the basic principle of QEC (though it is yet unknown if it can be used to communicate for superluminar information exchange).
Rachni/Leviathans supposedly use organic QEC.
Reapers use QEC for direct control and indoctrination (once the victim has willingly implated itself with nanides/reaper upgrades -> Saren).
The galactic military and those who can afford it use QEC.

What you are saying is like: "OMG, Reapers use lasers!!! Lasers are Reaper tech...! We all have to throw our lasers away or we will be indoctrinated, use stones to attack them!"

Okay, that last part was exaggurated.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

We KNOW that ME series writers used Hyperion series as one of the source for inspiration. So in that book there were two things that the enemy used in secret to control the galaxy - the things everybody used as it was convinient technology that made their life easier - And those were TRANSPORT and COMMUNICATION.

They had the Protal Network (transport) and the Fatline (comm).. Both were instant across all of the galaxy. Fatline was even believed to be working on the principle of Quantum entanglent (which turned out to be a lie).

ME has Relay network - for the ease of travel And QEC for the easy of communication.

Believe me, I know where i'm coming from with this.

Except we built the QECs. We know for a fact that they work using quantum entanglement because we were the ones who made them.

Oh Yeah? And how and when did we come up with the idea? Does the phrase "All your technology developed by the path we desired?" ring any bells? 

That quote is only relevant to tehcnology asociated with the Mass Relays, Protheans or the Reapers themselves, none of which are ever mentioned in regards to the construction of the QEC.

Whatever the case it is a moot point since a QEC only works to communicate between the designated other QEC and the one on the Normandy SR-2 was placed there by Hacket because he was turning it into his command center. Unless you are going to start the Hacket was Indoctrinated discussion up again...

Also the device on Earth need not be a QEC as you said it never mentioned and standard radio chatter is working fine. Considering everyone you talk too is either in London or in orbit above the device on Earth could quite easily be a radio communciator with an attached holo.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:44 .

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

QECs were already portable by the time the Reapers invaded. The live-tweeting of the invasion Emily Wong did was being done through a QEC she had in the back of her skycar

Just think for a second, use your brain!
How can a thing that uses point to point principle, be connected to all of the same devices AND be portable at the same time. 

And don't give me "that's not how QEC works". Cause you don't know that either. And if you do - please expain it here to me so i could take notes, and go patent the thing tomorrow and be rich for the rest of my life (that was a joke if you can't tell)

Quantum entanglement is a real thing.  Enjoy.  On a related note, stop defending your idea and question it for a minute.

[demersel]

Actually stand alone radio chatter DOESN'T work after reapers came into the system. And the fact that it DOES all over priority Earth is really interesting.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

Quantum entanglement is a real thing.  Enjoy.  On a related note, stop defending your idea and question it for a minute.

I did question it the fisrt time i got it. It is nuts like hell.   Makes an interesting story to think about though. And since it is a whole month before omega, and there isn't really no new ME related info at the moment....

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

Actually stand alone radio chatter DOESN'T work after reapers came into the system. And the fact that it DOES all over priority Earth is really interesting.

Well, do you remember the room where Liara says goodbye to Shepard?
There is that one Alliance Marine at the radio. He is giving instructions to a civilian, who is trying to perform first aid on an injured soldier. In the end she decides to shoot herself, once she realizes that Reaper troops are approaching her. Do you think she used QEC to communicate?

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Actually stand alone radio chatter DOESN'T work after reapers came into the system. And the fact that it DOES all over priority Earth is really interesting.

Now this is an excellent point.  QEC is the only known form of wireless communication that the Reapers can't screw with.  Those radios should not be working.

[Jusseb]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

You have to remember that Control supporters believe that it is the Paragon choice (shows how deluded they are) because "no one else dies". Shepard sacrifices themselves to save everyone... Yah..

So that cold logic does not come into play with Control. It is meant to fool at the most simple of levels (the color swap).

As to what your squadmates think, over the course of the series, never once did they mention ideals similar to TIM's or Starbrat/Harbinger's (Control and "Ascension")

In any other game, sacrificing yourself would actually be the 'paragon' choice, you're the hero. 

But this is different, other forces come to play here that let you think it is, but it isn't. 

Modifié par Jusseb, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:55 .

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

demersel wrote...

Actually stand alone radio chatter DOESN'T work after reapers came into the system. And the fact that it DOES all over priority Earth is really interesting.

Well, do you remember the room where Liara says goodbye to Shepard?
There is that one Alliance Marine at the radio. He is giving instructions to a civilian, who is trying to perform first aid on an injured soldier. In the end she decides to shoot herself, once she realizes that Reaper troops are approaching her. Do you think she used QEC to communicate?

I think that for all we know ALL radio chatter in priority Earth could be fake. Since you know, radios should not work AT ALL.  

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

Actually stand alone radio chatter DOESN'T work after reapers came into the system. And the fact that it DOES all over priority Earth is really interesting.

Quote please because we contact the Normandy using a radio and speak to Joker radio during the escape form Earth.

In fact here is the Codex entry for the battle on earth, the important part at least: "After destroying Earth's comm buoys, smaller Reaper destroyers wiped out all GPS and communications satellites in Earth's orbit and cut the undersea fiber-optic cables that linked the continents. Earth's resistance now relies on outdated radio towers and a few quantum entanglement communicators whose matched pairs happen to be on other continents or outside the Sol system."

Yeah they wiped out some communication, but radio is completely fine as long as you have a sender and a reciever and the person you are trying to reach has the same and is close enough. Considering the Normandy can communicate with the ground team almost no matter the mission I think we can build radios which cover London.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 30 octobre 2012 - 03:57 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

Restrider wrote...

demersel wrote...

Actually stand alone radio chatter DOESN'T work after reapers came into the system. And the fact that it DOES all over priority Earth is really interesting.

Well, do you remember the room where Liara says goodbye to Shepard?
There is that one Alliance Marine at the radio. He is giving instructions to a civilian, who is trying to perform first aid on an injured soldier. In the end she decides to shoot herself, once she realizes that Reaper troops are approaching her. Do you think she used QEC to communicate?

I think that for all we know ALL radio chatter in priority Earth could be fake. Since you know, radios should not work AT ALL.  

Look at my latest post with Codex quote, as long as you have a sender and receiver radios are quite fine.

[demersel]

We need to make a list of every line of dialoge that is said via radio chatter during both the prologue, after the reapers came in, and in Priority: Earth. As we know from before mars mission - QEC is the only thing that allows communication in the entire system.

[demersel]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Look at my latest post with Codex quote, as long as you have a sender and receiver radios are quite fine.

Except that radio is the easiest to jam, fake or tamper with. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

We need to make a list of every line of dialoge that is said via radio chatter during both the prologue, after the reapers came in, and in Priority: Earth. As we know from before mars mission - QEC is the only thing that allows communication in the entire system.

Good god, look two posts above, Codex entry stating the resistance are using radios, so much for it beeing impossible!

[Rifneno]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Actually stand alone radio chatter DOESN'T work after reapers came into the system. And the fact that it DOES all over priority Earth is really interesting.

Quote please because we contact the Normandy using a radio and speak to Joker radio during the escape form Earth.

In fact here is the Codex entry for the battle on earth, the important part at least: "After destroying Earth's comm buoys, smaller Reaper destroyers wiped out all GPS and communications satellites in Earth's orbit and cut the undersea fiber-optic cables that linked the continents. Earth's resistance now relies on outdated radio towers and a few quantum entanglement communicators whose matched pairs happen to be on other continents or outside the Sol system."

Yeah they wiped out some communication, but radio is completely fine as long as you have a sender and a reciever and the person you are trying to reach has the same and is close enough. Considering the Normandy can communicate with the ground team almost no matter the mission I think we can build radios which cover London.

What?  That's... that's stupid.  Radio towers can get knocked out by a bad storm, and the REAPERS aren't bothering to just blow the damn things up?  Or at least fill the frequences that humans use with static?