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[legaldinho]

MaximizedAction wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

If the Leviathan confirms the presence of the AI, it doesn't disprove IT. The reapers would work off what Shepard knew. If they contradicted his prior knowledge s/he would start to question what s/he's seeing. Doesn't do anything particular for and against the theory, which is what bioware wants.

If the Leviathan state sthere is no AI on the other hand...

I can get down with that, I suppose. But in terms of what Bioware are doing, it wouldn't speak much of their faith in pushing the alternative interpretation.

I will give you all 10 pesos if Leviathan states there is no AI, positively that is. No way.

More likely, we'll get more on the background, and how the AI is simply not to be trusted.

How can Leviathan explicitly state something about the existence of an AI if the DLC is placed pre-ending and we only find out about the AI in the last 10 min. It would be some sort of a break in the story flow.

Because the AI is inextricably linked to the origin of the reapers- if his story is true- and that's what this DLC is supposed to be about.

[Jadebaby]

TSA_383 wrote...

Unless they've totally changed the script and therefore overarching plot since the data leak 2 months ago... then no, it'll do the exact opposite.

Leviathan is made up of the first species that the intelligence which they created attempted to force into its ideal of synthesis.

How on earth can that not come along and make it really ****ing clear that it's a trick and the reaper AI has another agenda?

Because the Catalyst's logic doesn't have to be correct to still pick one of the three colours.

The Leviathan will contradict the starchild. this much is proven in the EC leak. However, it will contradict it in a way that will still solidify it's position in the narrative.

I'm thinking something along the lines of..

"This Ai (catalyst) that was supposed to take care of us is broken, you need to fix it." Leviathan said.

"What ai? what are you talking about?" Shepard says.

"You have come too far" Leviathan said.

_____

Enter starchild scene.

"I am the catalyst"

"Oh so you're that AI leviathan spoke of" shepard says

"what ever you were told is irrelevant, you have 4 choices, pick them wisely. How you feel about me or my motives is irrelevant. The crucible has 3 functions or you can choose not to use it because it's a lazy plot device, the rest is up to you."

DENNA-DEN... DENNA-DEN. That stupid fricken RGB colour choice music.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

estebanus wrote...

It's funny. I finished Katawa Shoujo at pretty much the same point I stopped having any faith anymore in IT being true.

"Have a little faith."

...

Was that the wrong quote to use in this circumstance?

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

It's funny. I finished Katawa Shoujo at pretty much the same point I stopped having any faith anymore in IT being true.

I am disappoint in you estebanus!

Which route did you do?

Also, do you have 100% of the scenes in the KS Library? If not, you're not done!

I'm sorry Byne, this really does pain me greatly.

Oh, and I finished Emi's route. The scene at the graveyard was... touching, to say the least.

[Jadebaby]

estebanus wrote...

Yeah, when you created it.

I meant recently, I updated it this morning with a lot more content. Actually coming together quite nicely now. Almost looks like a legit theory! XD

[byne]

I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

Wait wait wait. Please tell me this isnt whats making people lose hope?

A post where not only does Chris tell us something we already knew from other statements that had been made, but also contradicts the first paragraph with the second? (see bolditalics)

Modifié par byne, 04 août 2012 - 02:51 .

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

F*ck, that's it. My last shimmer of hope well and truly gone...

You had little faith. *facepalm*

Paxxton, I was a believer from day 1. I had faith in it stronger than you could possibly imgaine. But, reflecting on it, all of what has happened... I just can't find it in my heart any longer to believe in it. I'm sorry.

And believe me, this hurts me alot. One of the biggest thigs that has consumed my time on the internet was being here with you guys. And I still will, just not as one of you any longer.

You're taking it too seriously. Try to appreciate the whole game. IT is only part of that experience. And there's still Leviathan DLC which is something new for the SP campaign.

[AxStapleton]

byne wrote...

I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

Wait wait wait. Please tell me this isnt whats making people lose hope?

A post where not only does Chris tell us something we already knew from other statements that had been made, but also contradicts the first paragraph with the second? (see bolditalics)

I know, right?

[masster blaster]

Well byne Otter went back to lucker mode, but know Estebauns wants out of IT. Can't blame him for doing so hell I do sometimes, but still have some faith that Bioware did plan IT.

But hey Estebauns it's up to you but I will treat you as an enemy. All oh fight are my enemy. And the one left standing is my enemy.

[paxxton]

I'm hungry. Going to make some food.

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

estebanus wrote...

F*ck, that's it. My last shimmer of hope well and truly gone...

What put the nail in the coffin?

It's just... I've had more than enough of Bioware's cryptic statements. I don't want to grasp on to a shimmer of hope and then just have it slammed out of my reach again and replaced by a seeping blade of hopelesness that ends up penetrating my hand and letting its virulent venom destroy me.

That sounded a bit too artistic, didn't it?

Just remember that the corpes in this coffin is only sleeping, and at some point, the sleeping person will possibly wake up and break through the coffin it was put in.

[Applepie_Svk]

They will either pretend that everything is allright and there is no problem with game, until they released some post-DLC content, which will prove IT.
I am not believing into their PR office again, because they already prove that lying is their ground after what they lied past 6 months.

In case it was all in plan they get some of the fans back and it will even cause purchase of older DLCs as effect of regained trust, or they will continue in that nonsense and they loose next part of fanbase and weak their positions as company for future, everyone will look upon their promises with reservation. I wish IT to be true because it´s great idea and it belongs to Mass Effect not like some ventkid with own YA DAWG meme in the end of whole seriesm, disgusting....

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

It's funny. I finished Katawa Shoujo at pretty much the same point I stopped having any faith anymore in IT being true.

I am disappoint in you estebanus!

Which route did you do?

Also, do you have 100% of the scenes in the KS Library? If not, you're not done!

I'm sorry Byne, this really does pain me greatly.

Oh, and I finished Emi's route. The scene [spoiler goes here] was... touching, to say the least.

Well, as long as you dont go all crazy literalist on us, you can believe whatever you want, Estebanus!

Estebanus, mentioning that scene is sort of a spoiler for Emi's route. From what I recall others here are playing KS too.

I loved that scene too though.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

F*ck, that's it. My last shimmer of hope well and truly gone...

You had little faith. *facepalm*

Paxxton, I was a believer from day 1. I had faith in it stronger than you could possibly imgaine. But, reflecting on it, all of what has happened... I just can't find it in my heart any longer to believe in it. I'm sorry.

And believe me, this hurts me alot. One of the biggest thigs that has consumed my time on the internet was being here with you guys. And I still will, just not as one of you any longer.

You're taking it too seriously. Try to appreciate the whole game. IT is only part of that experience. And there's still Leviathan DLC which is something new for the SP campaign.

Oh, I loved the game as a whole, and the EC made the ending acceptable for me. So I guess I'm satisfied either way.

Modifié par estebanus, 04 août 2012 - 02:55 .

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

It's funny. I finished Katawa Shoujo at pretty much the same point I stopped having any faith anymore in IT being true.

I am disappoint in you estebanus!

Which route did you do?

Also, do you have 100% of the scenes in the KS Library? If not, you're not done!

I'm sorry Byne, this really does pain me greatly.

Oh, and I finished Emi's route. The scene [spoiler goes here] was... touching, to say the least.

Well, as long as you dont go all crazy literalist on us, you can believe whatever you want, Estebanus!

Estebanus, mentioning that scene is sort of a spoiler for Emi's route. From what I recall others here are playing KS too.

I loved that scene too though.

I'm still a supporter. I'm just not a believer anymore. And I'll still be around here, talking about stuff if I can.

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, it wasn't clear from what you wrote. I thought you became a "BioWare-sucks" literalist. So you just think IT wasn't planned at all?

No, I'm saying that I think they never intended it, and that they'll probably (hopefully I'm wrong) never implement it in-game. But I won't say that Bioware sucks. Because I know they don't, and I'll never stoop down to that level of vulgarity.

I would rather suggest it was planned that everyone has his/her own thoughts. In my opinion there is even no definite answer if you get indoctrinated or not. I think it's not ambiguous because it should be hard to "get", but everyone should make up his/her mind about what it means. So if you say it's indoctrination for you, then it is, if you say it's literal, then it is literal. Though there are some stuff that just can't be denied and therefor I have to say it's definitely indoctrination for me.
I would even say they had plans for both ways, which would be followed depending on reactions and mp victories.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Well byne Otter went back to lucker mode, but know Estebauns wants out of IT. Can't blame him for doing so hell I do sometimes, but still have some faith that Bioware did plan IT.

But hey Estebauns it's up to you but I will treat you as an enemy. All oh fight are my enemy. And the one left standing is my enemy.

You treat me as an enemy, but why? I'm still a supporter, but I'm not a believer.

Setting up totals will eventually get you killed, Blaster.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

I'm still a supporter. I'm just not a believer anymore. And I'll still be around here, talking about stuff if I can.

Well thats good! Would have sucked if you planned to stop posting in the thread.

Also: Do you plan on doing any routes other than Emi's? Or just hers?

[Jadebaby]

byne wrote...

I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

Wait wait wait. Please tell me this isnt whats making people lose hope?

A post where not only does Chris tell us something we already knew from other statements that had been made, but also contradicts the first paragraph with the second? (see bolditalics)

I don't think it's as much about losing hope as it is about not being able to endure. This post doesn't confirm they will never change/add/subtract/add to the endings. However, it DOES confirm that any dramatic changes/influences to the endings wont happen for a long time, if they happen at all.

It's been 5 months and people just can't keep up the fight anymore when BioWare have stamped down their intentions for SP content. IF we ever see a change, it wont be for another year, at least. The last 5 months has been hell everytime I think of ME. I can't imagine what another year of feeling like this would do to me.

Probably something like what Estebanus was talking about with the virulent venom... Or maybe that's already happened to me. ME3's endings have made me pretty bitter, that much I know for certain.

[estebanus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, it wasn't clear from what you wrote. I thought you became a "BioWare-sucks" literalist. So you just think IT wasn't planned at all?

No, I'm saying that I think they never intended it, and that they'll probably (hopefully I'm wrong) never implement it in-game. But I won't say that Bioware sucks. Because I know they don't, and I'll never stoop down to that level of vulgarity.

I would rather suggest it was planned that everyone has his/her own thoughts. In my opinion there is even no definite answer if you get indoctrinated or not. I think it's not ambiguous because it should be hard to "get", but everyone should make up his/her mind about what it means. So if you say it's indoctrination for you, then it is, if you say it's literal, then it is literal. Though there are some stuff that just can't be denied and therefor I have to say it's definitely indoctrination for me.
I would even say they had plans for both ways, which would be followed depending on reactions and mp victories.

Oh, I agree partially. I'm sure that that's pretty much what Bioware intended, but I don't believe anymore that they'll expand on it, which saddens me greatly.

[AxStapleton]

masster blaster wrote...

Well byne Otter went back to lucker mode, but know Estebauns wants out of IT. Can't blame him for doing so hell I do sometimes, but still have some faith that Bioware did plan IT.

But hey Estebauns it's up to you but I will treat you as an enemy. All oh fight are my enemy. And the one left standing is my enemy.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Well byne Otter went back to lucker mode, but know Estebauns wants out of IT. Can't blame him for doing so hell I do sometimes, but still have some faith that Bioware did plan IT.

But hey Estebauns it's up to you but I will treat you as an enemy. All oh fight are my enemy. And the one left standing is my enemy.

If you treat Estebanus as an enemy I will treat you as an enemy. Estebanus could go full literalist and call IT a silly theory made by a bunch of kooks and I would still treat him as a friend.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well byne Otter went back to lucker mode, but know Estebauns wants out of IT. Can't blame him for doing so hell I do sometimes, but still have some faith that Bioware did plan IT.

But hey Estebauns it's up to you but I will treat you as an enemy. All who fight are my enemy. And the one left standing is my enemy.

You treat me as an enemy, but why? I'm still a supporter, but I'm not a believer.

Setting up totals will eventually get you killed, Blaster.

you don't get the refrence on the last scentence is from.

And I am saying do as you wish, but I will still treat you as an enemy, in which case i don't know who my enemys are still.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm still a supporter. I'm just not a believer anymore. And I'll still be around here, talking about stuff if I can.

Well thats good! Would have sucked if you planned to stop posting in the thread.

Also: Do you plan on doing any routes other than Emi's? Or just hers?

Yeah, I originally planned on pursuing Hanako, but I guess my decision at the running track kinda blew that option for me. I'll do that one next time.

Modifié par estebanus, 04 août 2012 - 03:02 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm still a supporter. I'm just not a believer anymore. And I'll still be around here, talking about stuff if I can.

Well thats good! Would have sucked if you planned to stop posting in the thread.

Also: Do you plan on doing any routes other than Emi's? Or just hers?

Yeah, I originally planned on pursuing Hanako, but I guess my decision at the running track kinda blew that option for me. I'll do that one next time.

Hah, that happened to me too.

Happens to most people.