starlitegirlx wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Sareth Cousland wrote...
leonia42 wrote...
I think Javik's intentions are quite clear. However, I am curious as to what you think Garrus thinks on the situation. The conversation regarding dictators seems to favour control and he even speaks favourably of TIM at Cronos station (with the addendum that he once had good intentions but has since gone mad). I like to think all of the squad-mates would support Destroy but that's just wishful thinking, when you get down to it.. do you really think they'd all agree?
"Sometimes, the universe needs cold hearted dictators" / "if one million over here must die so that two millions over there would live, could you pull the trigger?" (not an exact quote)
Both favor destroy. Control implies that Shepard can do what he wants with the Reapers - both paragon and renegade control epilogues paint him as a leader who is serving the many, with different measures of force - so he is a dictator, but not really "cold-hearted". To destroy, however, is to kill one million over here so that two millions over there can live. If you reply with the paragon option to Garrus' question whether you could pull the trigger (cp. Shep's action in destroy), you essentially say that it's immoral and that war cannot be reduced to mathematics - to which Garrus replies "a nice sentiment - let's hope we can live by it".
Javik is a lot more explicit - he mentions that the Reapers turned children against their people because they would have trouble fighting back; this is a direct reference to starbinger. He also tells the story of one race from his cycle that underwent synthesis and was enslaved by the synthetic components - "they were monsters". The final dialogue with him is also a strong hint: Link (especially beginning at 1:00) - there is no other significant decision apart from that in the decision chamber after that dialogue.
I just hope that Javik having to execute his entire crew when they wound up indoctrinated isn't foreshadowing Shepard's future. That would... God, God no.
I think it might be a potential future depending on choices... but if you have a confident crew, I'd more imagine picking Control/Synthesis results in THEM having to execute YOU.
But the choices aren't real so javik wouldn't be executing anyone. Gotta remember that everything in the chamber is NOT HAPPENING. So things that may or may not happen after them (beyond discussion of why one would choose to not destroy and then examination of the outcome of that choice for IT purposes) is irrelevant. It never happens. Making those choices does nothing but fully indoctrinate Shepard and turn him/her into a tool of the reapers. There is no actually synthesis and there is no actual control because in REALITY where shepard currently is not, there is no frackin' way in hell reapers would ever let shepard control them. Nor is there a way to force synthesis as laid out by the brat on everyone or the reapers would be doing it. The only thing the reaper do is change organics into abominations. There is no element of synthesis involved. Those choices are likely plucked from Shepard's mind as they represent the two major conflicts Shepard had to work to resolve (quarians/geth for control and genophage/uplifting that caused need for genophage for synthesis). It's all symbolism and issues from shepard's mind that the reapers are using and TWISTING to indoctrinate shepard. So remember, NOT REAL.
Excuse me? I know. Read my post again.
My point was that:
1)If you have a good crew (loyal, close to you, romanced), but pick Control/Synthesis, potential outcome would be them having to either talk down (maybe just enough for you to suicide... sigh) or kill you.
If you pick Destroy, they literally pick you out of the rubble:
Ashley: "..You're the reason we're here."
Shepard: "I've had people like you picking me up and dusting me off when I've stumbled."
Destroy would be him stumbling. Hell, Control might be as well, but in a more insidious way. Synthesis would be utterly falling for it.
I think its a good idea to look at it all as a hallucination:
Synthesis --> Walk into the beam (in reality), and get submersed in indoctrination
Control --> move to the left and allow indoctrination to still continue to touch your mind even stronger, but remain somewhat resistent (the 'death' of the Crucible scene could mean more mental death, but it could still mean physical death too for all we know)
Destroy --> move to the right and get pushed into rubble as it goes down on you
2)If you DON'T have a good crew (as in, you don't talk to them and reassure them, romance them, help them, etc), you get the ME3 equal of the fail-Suicide Mission. The doubts in Shepard's crew result in them falling prey to the situation and they may perhaps fall into indoctrination themselves, even if you pick Destroy.
Huge hypotheticals, but I just wanted to explain how Bioware *could* take the story if they wanted to.
Of course I 'know' the ending is in Shepard's head - however, its still a question of whether its a 100% dream of more of a 'waking nightmare' and Shepard is instead stumbling towards the real beam.
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Also, Joker gets there in less than three seconds...
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if IT isn't real, I won't be dissapointed, so actually rather fortuitous for me but I hope it comes true for you guys and gals.
. It's a theory supported by evidence (so its not only a hypothesis), but its not a proof of what the story is.
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I certainly hope so, thats why I'm here
