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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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estebanus wrote...

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I am doing this to cheer you up Estebauns.

Well, you're failing. All it's doing is ****** me off.


There is the Estebauns I know.

But hey you had a good laugh about me trying to unite everyone to form one theory. didn't you.

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masster blaster wrote...

I am doing this to cheer you up Estebauns.


I will treat you as an enemy.

I can see how you think that'd cheer him up.

Look, can you just stop talking for an hour or so, masster? I've got a headache and I'm not in the mood to try and decpipher everything you say at the moment.

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Hooooooold up... Did Liara draw eye brows on her face?

How have I not noticed this? CAN'T UNSEE!

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masster blaster wrote...
No but Shepard could still have some affects of Indcotrination. you can fight it but in the ned it will take over your body, and willpower, so if we have to kill Shepard to stop him/her for killing everyone in the galaxy, then I will do it.


Oh... But you play as Shepard. So unless s/he will realise s/he is indoctrinated and put a bullet in his/her own head, how exactly is Shepard your enemy and how do you plan to stop him/her?

And wouldn't it be the reapers who will kill everyone in the galaxy, not Shepard?

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HagarIshay wrote...

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No but Shepard could still have some affects of Indcotrination. you can fight it but in the ned it will take over your body, and willpower, so if we have to kill Shepard to stop him/her for killing everyone in the galaxy, then I will do it.


Oh... But you play as Shepard. So unless s/he will realise s/he is indoctrinated and put a bullet in his/her own head, how exactly is Shepard your enemy and how do you plan to stop him/her?

And wouldn't it be the reapers who will kill everyone in the galaxy, not Shepard?


You're trying to make sense of masster blaster.

This is a futile endeavor.

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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I am doing this to cheer you up Estebauns.

Well, you're failing. All it's doing is ****** me off.


There is the Estebauns I know.

But hey you had a good laugh about me trying to unite everyone to form one theory. didn't you.

No. All it did was give me a headache, similarly to the one Byne has now.

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I am doing this to cheer you up Estebauns.


I will treat you as an enemy.

I can see how you think that'd cheer him up.

Look, can you just stop talking for an hour or so, masster? I've got a headache and I'm not in the mood to try and decpipher everything you say at the moment.



I will take my leave.

[presses the self detination button]

#4183
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Finally.

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estebanus wrote...
He's just acting like a nutcase again.


Oh. I thought he was being serious... Never mind then.

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LOL. I'm back and 2 new pages pop up.

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Ithurael wrote...

Mike Gable did - in fact - respond to the quesiton about Chris Priestly's post
fr.twitter.com/GambleMike/status/231648298711269376

Keeping things nebulous as ever it seems. Though his statement does show he cares greatly about the franchise.

As for IT. One of the biggest draws to the theory was that it can be added onto what we already got and shepard will wake up and finally defeat the reapers.

Chris stated that there will be no more additions, changes, removals for Mass Effect 3's ending. If one would still believe in IT you would just have to headcanon after the breathscene. Something I just cannot do. I have a wild imagination but thinking up the end to a trilogy myself after seeing an "ending" does not seem possible. I can imagine taking the endings at face value and choosing destroy. Then - after breath scene - my headcanon kicks in and I just imagine LI and I going off to make thousands of blue babies (thessia will be repopulated when I am done)

I will still keep an ear to the ground for news and tip my hat to the remaining believers. but ya. I think IT is out for me now.

Great. We're getting another f*cking cryptic piece of sh*t from Bioware. Be-F*cking-autiful.

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I.....(catches breath). I haven't laughed that hard in a long while.

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HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
He's just acting like a nutcase again.


Oh. I thought he was being serious... Never mind then.

He probably is. I'm just saying he's a nutcase.

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Ithurael wrote...

Mike Gable did - in fact - respond to the quesiton about Chris Priestly's post
fr.twitter.com/GambleMike/status/231648298711269376

Keeping things nebulous as ever it seems. Though his statement does show he cares greatly about the franchise.

As for IT. One of the biggest draws to the theory was that it can be added onto what we already got and shepard will wake up and finally defeat the reapers.

Chris stated that there will be no more additions, changes, removals for Mass Effect 3's ending. If one would still believe in IT you would just have to headcanon after the breathscene. Something I just cannot do. I have a wild imagination but thinking up the end to a trilogy myself after seeing an "ending" does not seem possible. I can imagine taking the endings at face value and choosing destroy. Then - after breath scene - my headcanon kicks in and I just imagine LI and I going off to make thousands of blue babies (thessia will be repopulated when I am done)

I will still keep an ear to the ground for news and tip my hat to the remaining believers. but ya. I think IT is out for me now.

So, he says:

"There will be nothing removed or added"
"Oh by the way Leviathan adds to the catalyst scene"
Lolwut?

People hear really need to count to ten and read things twice before ****ting bricks all over the thread...

It'll be out soon, calm down and everyone can have their little crises once the DLC's out, okay? :)

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paxxton wrote...

LOL. I'm back and 2 new pages pop up.

Most of the posts telling MB to shut up again. His heart's in the right place but, well...

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Why I are you guys picking on masster blaster? I don't get it. Feels almost like bullying to me.

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Hey!

Lurker and IT believer here. I have two questions I haven't really seen before. One will lead into an idea, the other is pretty straightforward. A bit of warning first: my way to IT was and always will be taking everything literally and then picking on its absurdity. So, this post will assume, for instance, that space magic is true and it works and it fits the theme.

First the simple one: Anderson mentions that the Reapers are preparing for something big in London very early. I can't remember exactly when, but it is long before we learn about the Catalyst. Were they planning something other than the end? If so, what was it and why was it dropped? If they were planning on moving the Citadel there, then TIM's shocking and dramatic betrayal (telling the Reapers about the Catalyst) did absolutely nothing. What's with that?

Second question. We are told that the Protheans were building the Crucible, that they very nearly finished it, and that they thought it will save them. We also know that they knew Catalyst = Citadel. They didn't have the Citadel for centuries. What were they thinking? Hate Javik all you want, the Prothean weren't all morons. They couldn't possible expect to retake the Citadel. What's with that?

Now for what is conjecture on my part. The above leads me to believe that the Crucible is in fact more than a power source. I say it creates the RGB beams. However, those beams on their own only travel at light speed. Even if they have enough energy to cover the entire galaxy, it would take a little while. So, the Citadel, the centre of the Mass Relay system is needed to disperse it. And perhaps you can only fire it once, making moving it around to kill Reapers system by system impossible, and it's scale making building dozens of it quite unlikely. A definition of catalyst from Merriam-Webster: an agent that provokes or SPEEDS significant change or action. (emphasis mine) This at least makes some sense.

Let us take this further. As I recall, a closed-up Citadel is pretty much invulnerable. The plan to send Hammer into the beam is, in reality, worse than suicide. The Reapers are vastly more powerful in a space battle than us. Without a doubt they could afford to send, say, 10% of their forces to land and defend the beam. How much chance do you suppose the ground forces have against ten capital ships and fifty destroyers? (This is a very, very, ..., very conservative estimate of their numbers, to make my point even more obvious.)
And that is ignoring the blindingly obvious: shut down the bloody beam.

I understand that getting the Citadel to work with the Crucible and thereby achieve complete victory is tempting, but non-indoctrinated Hackett & Anderson are, much like the Protheans, not morons. A significant portion of the Reapers forces are concentrated in Sol. Fire the Crucible there, then we can take control of the Citadel with ease. The Reaper's MO is to use it to shut down the Relays and take the galaxy system by system. Time to do that ourselves. The entire military might of the galaxy is concentrated in Sol. It is not unreasonable to assume that the Reapers not present are fairly spread out. Keep the fleet together and hunt them down. The Reapers aren't invincible. They are scary because while they are way more advanced than us they also can match us ship for ship, and more. (This is not a fact, but based on established lore it is very likely true.) After dealing a major blow to them, hunting them down one by one might just be possible. Now, I am not convinced this would work. In fact, I'm inclined to say we would still fail. But it's a much, much better plan than Hammer.

To close this out, I just want to stress that I am not trying to come up with a new ending, or argue for a "conventional" victory. In my mind, this scenario comes naturally from my issues with Vendetta. My point is, why aren't these issues addressed, at least on the level of lip service? My intention is to support IT by showing how nonsensical the alternative is.

Regards, Arkennys

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RavenEyry wrote...

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LOL. I'm back and 2 new pages pop up.

Most of the posts telling MB to shut up again. His heart's in the right place but, well...

He tries his best to support IT. Can't blame him for that. We've already lost 2 ITists. Let's not lose another.

Modifié par paxxton, 04 août 2012 - 03:34 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Why I are you guys picking on masster blaster? I don't get it. Feels almost like bullying to me.

Because honestly, I think he's a pain in the ass. Prolonged exposure to his ideas give me headaches, his posts make me facepalm, and deciphering his posts also isn't that easy.

Modifié par estebanus, 04 août 2012 - 03:35 .


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Well, good morning to everyone!  I see masster is being... well, masster, so I'll post something that will hopefully brighten your day, though I make no promises.  That's right, I've started writing fan fiction!  I'll post the link to the frist chapter right here: http://social.biowar...20/blog/218381/  I'm going to have a poll up in a few minutes that will allow you to tell me whether you liked it or disliked it, and will also allow you to review and critique it so you all can give me advice on how to improve my writing style if it needs improvement.  I make no claims about it being good until I've had the opportunity to see what others think about it.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Why I are you guys picking on masster blaster? I don't get it. Feels almost like bullying to me.

He keeps saying stupid things and we kee asking him not to say stupid things. Not really bullying.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Why I are you guys picking on masster blaster? I don't get it. Feels almost like bullying to me.


I'm not picking on him, really, its just he is making absolutely no sense right now.

As a self-proclaimed spelling and grammar National Socialist, masster blaster already tests my patience when he's actually making sense, but when he starts going wildly off topic and making no sense, I ask him to just leave for a while, so I dont say something I'll regret.

I mean, like Raven said, I think his heart is in the right place, but sometimes he just gets to be too much.

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I don't think anyone expects Bioware to release a "waking Up" DLC. They will never truly write out the true ending for us. What they might do, however, is shove in many details that prove that the endings are a ruse, and let us decide for ourselves if we think they are a dream or not. Where this leaves us is a true "choose your own adventure" ending. The players literally decide the ending to the series. Bioware will not spoon feed it to us. They are handing over the keys to the series and saying "here players. give this game the ending you desire."

TLDR: By not putting in a true ending, Bioware is giving us the freedom to end the series the way we want.

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Dwailing wrote...

Well, good morning to everyone!  I see masster is being... well, masster, so I'll post something that will hopefully brighten your day, though I make no promises.  That's right, I've started writing fan fiction!  I'll post the link to the frist chapter right here: http://social.biowar...20/blog/218381/  I'm going to have a poll up in a few minutes that will allow you to tell me whether you liked it or disliked it, and will also allow you to review and critique it so you all can give me advice on how to improve my writing style if it needs improvement.  I make no claims about it being good until I've had the opportunity to see what others think about it.

No offense, but I hate fanfiction. Nothing personal, just some pretty bad experiences I've made before when reading fanfiction.

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Arkennys wrote...

First the simple one: Anderson mentions that the Reapers are preparing for something big in London very early. I can't remember exactly when, but it is long before we learn about the Catalyst. Were they planning something other than the end? If so, what was it and why was it dropped? If they were planning on moving the Citadel there, then TIM's shocking and dramatic betrayal (telling the Reapers about the Catalyst) did absolutely nothing. What's with that?


This has always bugged me. It really seems off.


I understand that getting the Citadel to work with the Crucible and thereby achieve complete victory is tempting, but non-indoctrinated Hackett & Anderson are, much like the Protheans, not morons. A significant portion of the Reapers forces are concentrated in Sol. Fire the Crucible there, then we can take control of the Citadel with ease. The Reaper's MO is to use it to shut down the Relays and take the galaxy system by system. Time to do that ourselves. The entire military might of the galaxy is concentrated in Sol. It is not unreasonable to assume that the Reapers not present are fairly spread out. Keep the fleet together and hunt them down. The Reapers aren't invincible. They are scary because while they are way more advanced than us they also can match us ship for ship, and more. (This is not a fact, but based on established lore it is very likely true.) After dealing a major blow to them, hunting them down one by one might just be possible. Now, I am not convinced this would work. In fact, I'm inclined to say we would still fail. But it's a much, much better plan than Hammer.


I dont think the Crucible works at all if it isnt attached to the Citadel though.