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[Lazengan]

401 Kill wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

The franchise is gone, dead. It's actually quite convenient for Bioware that you people are still trying to defend the really bad ending to mass effect. They will like to keep you speculating so you can continue to finance dragon age 3. Bioware didnt have to solve their own problems, their community did it for them

Then why are you sticking around?

I like multiplayer
and I am funding Dragon age 3

This is neither part of multiplayer nor Dragon Age 3... We are discussing the game we love. Why do you feel the need to come in here and say it all sucks?

Generating revenue for bioware through mass effect is contributing to the development of dragon age 3

Mass effect 3 was poorly written and had a terrible ending, but it's still a good and fun game to play  in terms of actual play and mechanics. You understand that the project directors wanted to make an interactive movie, not a game and failed horribly at it.

("A boss would be too video gamey" - Casey Hudson. <--------- Maybe because Mass effect is a game?! What the fuck is this shit)

However the people in charge of the multiplayer component are actually a different team of people headquartered somewhere else, and they do an excellent job at designing a game that we can play. 

IT theory sucks

[JamieCOTC]

Was Shepard indoctrinated? No, I don't think so. S/he was supposed to come under Reaper control, but they couldn't work out the mechanics, so they presented the player w/ nonsensical vagueness to suggest that something odd might be happening. It might be indoctrination, it might not be indoctrination. So I guess that means Shepard was indoctrinated for some players, but not for others.

I think they wanted to go w/ an IT type ending, but couldn't pull it off, unfortunately the ending choices were always in the game and essentially the same. So I'm not sure BW's version of IT would have been any better than what we got. While I don't personally believe in IT, I can understand what some players would choose to play it that way. It's kind of a mess otherwise.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 01 novembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Lazengan]

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

The franchise is gone, dead. It's actually quite convenient for Bioware that you people are still trying to defend the really bad ending to mass effect. They will like to keep you speculating so you can continue to finance dragon age 3. Bioware didnt have to solve their own problems, their community did it for them

That's pretty much what I believe as well.

You believe that the only reason Bioware doesn't deny IT is to use us to make more money???

ya

If they stated IT theory isn't true, you people would move on to other communities.

but you stay and continue to promote the franchise by participating in an active community, creating art, and writing stories. 

[demersel]

By the way. Alpha and Omega thing in that wallpaper..... There is also the center of the universe and Earth....

In a book by Isaac Asimov called The Second Foundation (final part of the Foundation Trilogy) - they actually found where was the second foundation - (the location) - spoilers, naturally
It goes like this - the First Foundation was founded on a planet called Terminus, and rightly so - it was on the very far rim of the galaxy.
And it was said that somewhere, on the other end of the universe, - the Second Foundation was founded. (Foundation was supposed to be the core for a new galactic civilization, in the wake of immenet collapse of Galactic Empire - Foundation was supposed to be the catalyst tand the core for a Second Galactic Empire, to prevent the galaxy from hundreds of thousands of years of chaos and barbarism, so it would be a mere thousand years between First and Second Galactic Empires - the guy who thought it out invented some mathematicly correct way of predicting the future, so the Foundation was his solution to chaos and barbarism). SOOO, back to the point - the first faoundation was on the farthest rim of the galaxy. And the second was supposed to be on the other end of the galaxy. But where exactly - nobody knew. (it was a secret foundation, the opposite of the first) - and in the third book they have located it - it turned out to be on planet Trantor - the former capital of the First Galactic Empire - which was located in the very middle of the galaxy. (somehow, don't ask).

Sooo, given we have alpha and omega, we also have earth and centre of the galaxy - one's the centre - the other one is the rim - the opposites.

[byne]

Lazengan wrote...

However the people in charge of the multiplayer component are actually a different team of people headquartered somewhere else, and they do an excellent job at designing a game that we can play.

Its a good thing Rifneno isnt here to **** about multiplayer.

[Simon_Says]

Lazengan wrote...

IT theory sucks

Explain why, without resorting to whether or not it's Bioware's intent or what the ramifications are/could be, but on it's own as a literary interpretation.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Lazengan wrote...

The interdimensional labyrinth created by the anti-spiral was part of the story, and explicitly shown.

And I hoped that the reapers could have been lord genome, something bigger could have been the anti spiral.

Anyway 

The franchise is gone, dead. It's actually quite convenient for Bioware that you people are still trying to defend the really bad ending to mass effect. They will like to keep you speculating so you can continue to finance dragon age 3. Bioware didnt have to solve their own problems, their community did it for them

Indoctrination was introduced to the series before we even knew what a Reaper was, its effects have been constantly shown and elaborated on as the series progressed. All the symptoms described of Indoctrination are present in Shepard throughout ME3.

Leviathan takes it one step further showing us a world created within our own mind in a scene whose start directly mirrors the start of the final sequence with the "Catalyst" and then proceed to tell us the Reapers have perfected this mind control.

I am sorry but what was you point about the interdimensional labyrinth beeing part of the story and explicitely shown again?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Lazengan wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

The franchise is gone, dead. It's actually quite convenient for Bioware that you people are still trying to defend the really bad ending to mass effect. They will like to keep you speculating so you can continue to finance dragon age 3. Bioware didnt have to solve their own problems, their community did it for them

That's pretty much what I believe as well.

You believe that the only reason Bioware doesn't deny IT is to use us to make more money???

ya

If they stated IT theory isn't true, you people would move on to other communities.

but you stay and continue to promote the franchise by participating in an active community, creating art, and writing stories. 

Fun fact, I do write stories in my free time, fan fiction mostly and have been doing so for 3 years. nothing Mass Effect though. I am also educating myself towards becoming a videogame designer so the IT is inpiration and lessons for me the way I see it.

[demersel]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

Yes. Thank you. Darth Revan should check it out. )))

Check what out?

The Best of All IT video. )))

www.youtube.com/watch

[Lazengan]

Simon_Says wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

IT theory sucks

Explain why, without resorting to whether or not it's Bioware's intent or what the ramifications are/could be, but on it's own as a literary interpretation.

It's a coping mechanism 

[401 Kill]

Lazengan wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Lazengan wrote...
The franchise is gone, dead. It's actually quite convenient for Bioware that you people are still trying to defend the really bad ending to mass effect. They will like to keep you speculating so you can continue to finance dragon age 3. Bioware didnt have to solve their own problems, their community did it for the

That's pretty much what I believe as well.

You believe that the only reason Bioware doesn't deny IT is to use us to make more money???

ya
If they stated IT theory isn't true, you people would move on to other communities.
but you stay and continue to promote the franchise by participating in an active community, creating art, and writing stories. 

I think it's safe to say when they are done with ME3 and we are still in the same place I won't get myself into any future Bioware projects- including Mass Effect 4. They can only keep this up for so long.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:02 .

[Eryri]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

Yes. Thank you. Darth Revan should check it out. )))

Check what out?

I think Demersel is talking about the special mission failure scene that plays if you let the timer run out in the Arrival DLC

http://www.youtube.c...JCtr3uyZ4#t=23s

It's basically a horrible vision of the future if Shepard dies.

Edit: Sorry, my mistake - thought you were talking about something else

Modifié par Eryri, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:01 .

[Lazengan]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

The franchise is gone, dead. It's actually quite convenient for Bioware that you people are still trying to defend the really bad ending to mass effect. They will like to keep you speculating so you can continue to finance dragon age 3. Bioware didnt have to solve their own problems, their community did it for them

That's pretty much what I believe as well.

You believe that the only reason Bioware doesn't deny IT is to use us to make more money???

ya

If they stated IT theory isn't true, you people would move on to other communities.

but you stay and continue to promote the franchise by participating in an active community, creating art, and writing stories. 

Fun fact, I do write stories in my free time, fan fiction mostly and have been doing so for 3 years. nothing Mass Effect though. I am also educating myself towards becoming a videogame designer so the IT is inpiration and lessons for me the way I see it.

Oh God, don't draw any inspiration from Bioware if you want to be a game designer

you are going to be a GAME DESIGNER, not a film director wannabe

[byne]

Lazengan wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

IT theory sucks

Explain why, without resorting to whether or not it's Bioware's intent or what the ramifications are/could be, but on it's own as a literary interpretation.

It's a coping mechanism 

So, your reasons for IT sucking arent based on any of the merits of the theory itself, but simply because you see it as a coping mechanism?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Lazengan wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

IT theory sucks

Explain why, without resorting to whether or not it's Bioware's intent or what the ramifications are/could be, but on it's own as a literary interpretation.

It's a coping mechanism 

Well that is a new one, but it dosent deal with mountains of evidence, hints and indications found in the Mass Effect games, not to mention the gaping plot holes IT conveniently fill.

There is simply to much material duck up on IT for it to be handwaved of as a coping mechanism.

[demersel]

Eryri, no. I was talking about "It's a fake!' -video. )))

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

Eryri, no. I was talking about "It's a fake!' -video. )))

Oops. Sorry. Thought you were replying to Master Blaster

[demersel]

Lazengan wrote...

Oh God, don't draw any inspiration from Bioware if you want to be a game designer

you are going to be a GAME DESIGNER, not a film director wannabe

I'm a film direcrtor, and I like IT. What's your problem with film directors? 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Lazengan wrote...

Oh God, don't draw any inspiration from Bioware if you want to be a game designer

you are going to be a GAME DESIGNER, not a film director wannabe

Did I ever say I was solely drawin inspiration from Bioware? Matter of fact my favorite series of all time is the Legend of Zelda series and that is not what you would call a story heavy series (though it has its moments).

But fact is that Bioware has created some of the most memorable characters I have experienced in my considerable amount of gaming and I still remember some of their great plot twists, like the Revan reveal with a smile.

I would be a fool not to learn from what was good, just as I should learn from what is bad.

At this moment if IT is false then ME3 is indeed probably the worst ending ever, but if IT is true Bioware has instead pulled of a piece of storytelling impossible in any other media by directly fooling the player into going against values, themes and ideals established over dozens of hours of gaming.

That is something to consider.

[Lazengan]

byne wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

IT theory sucks

Explain why, without resorting to whether or not it's Bioware's intent or what the ramifications are/could be, but on it's own as a literary interpretation.

It's a coping mechanism 

So, your reasons for IT sucking arent based on any of the merits of the theory itself, but simply because you see it as a coping mechanism?

if I judged the Theory by it's own merits, it could be used to explain everything from the entire mass effect series starting from when he first meets Sovereign.

"k lul everything from here is just a dream"

and there is no way I could be disproved at all under the mechanics of indoctrination

it's a stupid line of thinking

[demersel]

Everyone here watched the movie Inception? Think of the kid as of the most basic thing that to plant inside shepard's head as a new idea.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

demersel wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

Yes. Thank you. Darth Revan should check it out. )))

Check what out?

The Best of All IT video. )))

www.youtube.com/watch

What did i just watch? Whatever it was, it made me laugh.

[Eryri]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

At this moment if IT is false then ME3 is indeed probably the worst ending ever, but if IT is true Bioware has instead pulled of a piece of storytelling impossible in any other media by directly fooling the player into going against values, themes and ideals established over dozens of hours of gaming. 

That is something to consider.

And of course, even if IT isn't true now, there's nothing stopping Bioware from taking inspiration from this thread, and moving the franchise in this direction in the future though DLC.

Which they would be well advised to consider, seeing how much traction the IT has gained - over 6000 pages of posts and counting.

[Lazengan]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

Oh God, don't draw any inspiration from Bioware if you want to be a game designer

you are going to be a GAME DESIGNER, not a film director wannabe

At this moment if IT is false then ME3 is indeed probably the worst ending ever, but if IT is true Bioware has instead pulled of a piece of storytelling impossible in any other media by directly fooling the player into going against values, themes and ideals established over dozens of hours of gaming.

That is something to consider.

But they aren't legendary artists whose intention was to pull that off, you just want to believe that 

[byne]

Lazengan wrote...

if I judged the Theory by it's own merits, it could be used to explain everything from the entire mass effect series starting from when he first meets Sovereign.

"k lul everything from here is just a dream"

and there is no way I could be disproved at all under the mechanics of indoctrination

it's a stupid line of thinking

Except none of the known signs of indoctrination start appearing until ME3.

Though since you apparently think my line of thinking is stupid, I really dont see a point in continuing this discussion.

It couldnt be that we just interpreted something differently than you, clearly we're all using IT as a coping mechanism because we cant face reality.