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[RavenEyry]

BluSoldier wrote...

TLDR: By not putting in a true ending, Bioware is giving us the freedom to end the series the way we want.

I've thought that was likely since before EC. I don't think it's a bad idea at heart, but if true Bioware have handled so tremendously badly that it's almost funny.

[MaximizedAction]

BluSoldier wrote...

I don't think anyone expects Bioware to release a "waking Up" DLC. They will never truly write out the true ending for us. What they might do, however, is shove in many details that prove that the endings are a ruse, and let us decide for ourselves if we think they are a dream or not. Where this leaves us is a true "choose your own adventure" ending. The players literally decide the ending to the series. Bioware will not spoon feed it to us. They are handing over the keys to the series and saying "here players. give this game the ending you desire."

TLDR: By not putting in a true ending, Bioware is giving us the freedom to end the series the way we want.

Is that what professional writers get paid for nowadays? I thought it was the writer's job to write a story. That implies a beginning, a middle part and an end. Leaving out one part gets you a lower mark.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 août 2012 - 03:41 .

[estebanus]

I'll be playing some MGS now. I'll see you later, I guess.

[RavenEyry]

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

[AxStapleton]

BluSoldier wrote...

I don't think anyone expects Bioware to release a "waking Up" DLC. They will never truly write out the true ending for us. What they might do, however, is shove in many details that prove that the endings are a ruse, and let us decide for ourselves if we think they are a dream or not. Where this leaves us is a true "choose your own adventure" ending. The players literally decide the ending to the series. Bioware will not spoon feed it to us. They are handing over the keys to the series and saying "here players. give this game the ending you desire."

TLDR: By not putting in a true ending, Bioware is giving us the freedom to end the series the way we want.

To be honest though, that isn't what we payed them for. We came up with a million ways the trilogy could end in our imaginations after playing through ME2 but we still bought the next game to see how the professionals would finish their piece of work. I know that a waking up DLC probably isn't going to happen but if it all ends on a "make up your own story" kind of ending then that would just be stupid and null the point of even buying the game because there are many games that beat Mass Effect on game mechanics hands down but its the story we were drawn to.

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

I'm not depressed.  I'm in a great mood.  Did you see my post on the previous page?

Edit: Well, the current page now, too, lol.

Modifié par Dwailing, 04 août 2012 - 03:46 .

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well, good morning to everyone!  I see masster is being... well, masster, so I'll post something that will hopefully brighten your day, though I make no promises.  That's right, I've started writing fan fiction!  I'll post the link to the frist chapter right here: http://social.biowar...20/blog/218381/  I'm going to have a poll up in a few minutes that will allow you to tell me whether you liked it or disliked it, and will also allow you to review and critique it so you all can give me advice on how to improve my writing style if it needs improvement.  I make no claims about it being good until I've had the opportunity to see what others think about it.

No offense, but I hate fanfiction. Nothing personal, just some pretty bad experiences I've made before when reading fanfiction.

I've seen some very great fan fictions in my life.  Heck, some of them surpass "real" novels, at least in my eyes.

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

I'm not!!! YAY MONOCLES FOR ALL!!

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

I'm not depressed.  I'm in a great mood.  Did you see my post on the previous page?

Well maybe not everyone, there jus seems to be a dark cloud over the thread today.

I rarely read fanfic I'm afraid so I probably wont look at yours, sorry.

[TSA_383]

Arkennys wrote...
First the simple one: Anderson mentions that the Reapers are preparing for something big in London very early. I can't remember exactly when, but it is long before we learn about the Catalyst. Were they planning something other than the end? If so, what was it and why was it dropped? If they were planning on moving the Citadel there, then TIM's shocking and dramatic betrayal (telling the Reapers about the Catalyst) did absolutely nothing. What's with that?

Because it was always their plan to bring you there, along with all the galaxy's fleets.
A touch of suggestion to Shepard, and possible outright indoctrination of the Illusive Man, and you both played right into the scheme...

[Leonia]

byne wrote...

I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

Wait wait wait. Please tell me this isnt whats making people lose hope?

A post where not only does Chris tell us something we already knew from other statements that had been made, but also contradicts the first paragraph with the second? (see bolditalics)

I think it's more a case of some of us being frustrated by the lack of straight talk from Bioware after all this time. The contradiction is typical and frankly some of us are tired of being strung along and sick of getting mixed signals.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

byne wrote...

Arkennys wrote...

I understand that getting the Citadel to work with the Crucible and thereby achieve complete victory is tempting, but non-indoctrinated Hackett & Anderson are, much like the Protheans, not morons. A significant portion of the Reapers forces are concentrated in Sol. Fire the Crucible there, then we can take control of the Citadel with ease. The Reaper's MO is to use it to shut down the Relays and take the galaxy system by system. Time to do that ourselves. The entire military might of the galaxy is concentrated in Sol. It is not unreasonable to assume that the Reapers not present are fairly spread out. Keep the fleet together and hunt them down. The Reapers aren't invincible. They are scary because while they are way more advanced than us they also can match us ship for ship, and more. (This is not a fact, but based on established lore it is very likely true.) After dealing a major blow to them, hunting them down one by one might just be possible. Now, I am not convinced this would work. In fact, I'm inclined to say we would still fail. But it's a much, much better plan than Hammer.

I dont think the Crucible works at all if it isnt attached to the Citadel though.

Yeah, the Crucible does not work without the Citadel according to Vendetta and the Reaper forces at Earth is still a far superior force than what we are bringing even under the best of circumstances.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 04 août 2012 - 03:48 .

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

I'm not depressed.  I'm in a great mood.  Did you see my post on the previous page?

Well maybe not everyone, there jus seems to be a dark cloud over the thread today.

I rarely read fanfic I'm afraid so I probably wont look at yours, sorry.

Yeah I not a fan of fan fiction any more you tend to forget what is the real story and what is not lol, did that with Harry potter years ago.

[estebanus]

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

Maybe because I finally ended up not believing in IT anymore?

Nah, I don't think that's the reason. Or not the only one, at least.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well, good morning to everyone!  I see masster is being... well, masster, so I'll post something that will hopefully brighten your day, though I make no promises.  That's right, I've started writing fan fiction!  I'll post the link to the frist chapter right here: http://social.biowar...20/blog/218381/  I'm going to have a poll up in a few minutes that will allow you to tell me whether you liked it or disliked it, and will also allow you to review and critique it so you all can give me advice on how to improve my writing style if it needs improvement.  I make no claims about it being good until I've had the opportunity to see what others think about it.

No offense, but I hate fanfiction. Nothing personal, just some pretty bad experiences I've made before when reading fanfiction.

I've seen some very great fan fictions in my life.  Heck, some of them surpass "real" novels, at least in my eyes.

And certainly some of it surpases the writing of paid writers...<_<

Not refering to Bioware though, more Blizzard and their handling of the Wacraft lore.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 04 août 2012 - 03:54 .

[Dwailing]

Oh, I should note that I'm also writing my fic so that we'll have an example of an ACTUAL fan fiction about the ending when people call IT a fan fiction. My story is fan fiction, IT is an interpretation of the ending and a valid possibility for what's going on.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

Maybe because I finally ended up not believing in IT anymore?

Nah, I don't think that's the reason. Or not the only one, at least.

OMGWTF?!  You don't believe in IT anymore?!   But, but, but you've always been one of our strongest supporters!   Having you give up on IT would be like having Arian give up on IT, or Rifneno give up on IT, or even ME give up on IT.  It's just something that cannot happen!

[RavenEyry]

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

Maybe because I finally ended up not believing in IT anymore?

Nah, I don't think that's the reason. Or not the only one, at least.

Maybe it's a symptom and not a cause?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

I'm not depressed.  I'm in a great mood.  Did you see my post on the previous page?

Well maybe not everyone, there jus seems to be a dark cloud over the thread today.

I rarely read fanfic I'm afraid so I probably wont look at yours, sorry.

Yeah I not a fan of fan fiction any more you tend to forget what is the real story and what is not lol, did that with Harry potter years ago.

Hehe I can see that becoming a problem. I am a fan fiction writer myself, but I stick to writing new stories and stories that fit into existing holes in a universe rather than changing existing events.

Makes me feel like I am contributing to the universe and not altering it to suit my fantasy on some level

[Dwailing]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

I'm not depressed.  I'm in a great mood.  Did you see my post on the previous page?

Well maybe not everyone, there jus seems to be a dark cloud over the thread today.

I rarely read fanfic I'm afraid so I probably wont look at yours, sorry.

Yeah I not a fan of fan fiction any more you tend to forget what is the real story and what is not lol, did that with Harry potter years ago.

I'm trying to write my fic within the strict bounderies of the ME universe.  But I won't know if I'm succeeding or failing unless people look at it and review it.

Modifié par Dwailing, 04 août 2012 - 03:53 .

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

Maybe because I finally ended up not believing in IT anymore?

Nah, I don't think that's the reason. Or not the only one, at least.

OMGWTF?!  You don't believe in IT anymore?!   But, but, but you've always been one of our strongest supporters!   Having you give up on IT would be like having Arian give up on IT, or Rifneno give up on IT, or even ME give up on IT.  It's just something that cannot happen!

Sadly, it's true. I have lost any hope of the IT ever being implemented in the game or confirmed. It sucks, but that's just how it is.

And since I'm one of the oldest IT believers(As in, believing in it longest), it hurts me even more.

[TheConstantOne]

TSA_383 wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Mike Gable did - in fact - respond to the quesiton about Chris Priestly's post
fr.twitter.com/GambleMike/status/231648298711269376

Keeping things nebulous as ever it seems. Though his statement does show he cares greatly about the franchise.

As for IT. One of the biggest draws to the theory was that it can be added onto what we already got and shepard will wake up and finally defeat the reapers.

Chris stated that there will be no more additions, changes, removals for Mass Effect 3's ending. If one would still believe in IT you would just have to headcanon after the breathscene. Something I just cannot do. I have a wild imagination but thinking up the end to a trilogy myself after seeing an "ending" does not seem possible. I can imagine taking the endings at face value and choosing destroy. Then - after breath scene - my headcanon kicks in and I just imagine LI and I going off to make thousands of blue babies (thessia will be repopulated when I am done)

I will still keep an ear to the ground for news and tip my hat to the remaining believers. but ya. I think IT is out for me now.

So, he says:

"There will be nothing removed or added"
"Oh by the way Leviathan adds to the catalyst scene"
Lolwut?

People hear really need to count to ten and read things twice before ****ting bricks all over the thread...

It'll be out soon, calm down and everyone can have their little crises once the DLC's out, okay? 

What Chris's quote does is indicate that, as of right now, the Catalyst decision *is* the end of the game.  In other other words, Shepard does use the Crucible.  What DLCs can do is provide more information to help Shepard see that its a lie and learn what the Crucible really does when it fires.  Destroy could really play out as its presented and the other two options be illusions.

I don't know how much info Chris has on the writers' plans but his quote could help thin down the number of viable ITs

[estebanus]

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

Maybe because I finally ended up not believing in IT anymore?

Nah, I don't think that's the reason. Or not the only one, at least.

Maybe it's a symptom and not a cause?

Maybe.

[Dwailing]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Why's everyone so depressed today anyway?

I'm not depressed.  I'm in a great mood.  Did you see my post on the previous page?

Well maybe not everyone, there jus seems to be a dark cloud over the thread today.

I rarely read fanfic I'm afraid so I probably wont look at yours, sorry.

Yeah I not a fan of fan fiction any more you tend to forget what is the real story and what is not lol, did that with Harry potter years ago.

Hehe I can see that becoming a problem. I am a fan fiction writer myself, but I stick to writing new stories and stories that fit into existing holes in a universe rather than changing existing events.

Makes me feel like I am contributing to the universe and not altering it to suit my fantasy on some level

And I'm not trying to alter the universe in any way.  I'm writing this from the perspective of IT.  Everything related to the ending itself will have all the actual spoken dialogue transcribed from the game, and I'll try to keep Shepard's thoughts in line with his actual personality (Well, MY Shepard's actual personality.).  The only place that things will get interesting will be once the hallucination has been broken.