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[masster blaster]

Lazengan

Bill Casey wrote...

Shepard: What's the Citadel's pulse regarding the war?

Bailey: I think all the reports are starting to sink in. You can only live in denial so long.

Shepard: You either wake up or die. Either way...

Bailey: Yeah. One good thing about people having their heads up their asses is the quiet. Now there's no more quiet. Everybody's openly suspicious of everybody else, and they're not timid about yelling about it.
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Shepard: Is the Citadel gearing up for war?

Bailey: There's a false sense of security here. Even people from worlds that have gone down act like they're safe. I guess it's not just human nature. We all lie to ourselves to deal with horror.
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Bailey: Yeah, I'm just like everyone else, losing myself in things I can control. And at the moment, that means creating the illusion of security here.
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Bailey: Good work today, Shepard. You did what had to be done. Remember that.
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Shepard: We both have jobs to do, Bailey. I suggest we do them.

Bailey: Yep. Good talking with you.

"No. We-- I do not know what happened in the war. We only heard
discordance, songs the color of oily shadows" - Rachni Queen talking of
the memory of the Rachni War, ME1

"A tone from space hushed one
voice after another. It forced the singers to resonate with its own
sour, yellow note" - Rachni Queen about her survival hearing her mother
cry in her dreams.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

The thing is... even if Literal - Destroy is STILL the best choice.

No! Literally the best are Control & Synthesis.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

The thing is... even if Literal - Destroy is STILL the best choice.

No! Literally the best are Control & Synthesis.

Synthesis is a goddamn abomination, and control is just killing yourself and letting an AI you have no control over rule the galaxy.

Both are horrible choices.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

The thing is... even if Literal - Destroy is STILL the best choice.

No! Literally the best are Control & Synthesis.

Nope.

Modifié par demersel, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[masster blaster]

Ashley: I can't believe it came to that. We were so close to...

Shepard: Ash, it's okay. We figured it out. We stopped Udina and got to walk away. That's the important part.

Ashley: I can't believe he was responsible for all of it. Was he indoctrinated?

Shepard: It's hard to say.

Ashley: How do we fight something that can worm its way into your head?

Shepard: I don't know, but we don't have a choice.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

The thing is... even if Literal - Destroy is STILL the best choice.

No! Literally the best are Control & Synthesis.

IT'S A FAAAKE!

[Lazengan]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

byne wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

If IT was indeed intentional, then for what reason? To make future content for Mass effect? Bioware said they are done with the franchise

You do realize they're already announced Mass Effect 4, right?

damn didnt see that

soooo what. The IT theory is to leave you all speculating until the next release?

If Bioware plays on with the IT theory in ME4, it would not be an intentional goal 10 years in the making.

You cannot seriously think they had planned this all along since the begining, or even at the begining of mass effect 3 development

Considering how well the pieces fit together, yes thaat is exactly what we can believe.

at this point, that is just unwavering loyalty to Bioware, up to the dangerous point of fanboyism.

If they tried to cater to the call of duty audience in their current releases, and casual dim witted audiences with a demand for action, what makes you think they would write such deep mentally convulting scripts that provoke beyond the fourth wall thinking. This is the same script with terrible B-movie lines about "the horrors of war" and hilarious attempts at portrayals of post traumatic stress (ghost boy dream sequences lul). 

IT theory being intentional is extremely laughable, The writers at Bioware are not that good of writers and it is definitely not their style. 

what happens if they screw up mass effect 4? Moar Indoct theory? An easy way to cover for losses I suppose

Modifié par Lazengan, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:51 .

[masster blaster]

Joker: So you went into the geth consensus? Like, virtual reality?

Shepard: Yeah. It was strange, but I got out all right.

Joker: Did you? I mean, how would you know?

Shepard: How would I know what?

Joker: If you really got out! See, if the geth experience everything virtually, then you could only think you're in the real world. What if this--like, everything you're seeing now--is a simulation?

EDI: Shepard, I can confirm that this is the real world.

Joker: Oh, okay, well that'll solve that. Man, good thing we have an unshackled AI around to tell us what reality is.

EDI: Perhaps I missed some salient information.
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Shepard: Have you heard anything about Earth?

Ashley: We have reports coming all the time on what's going on. Half are wild speculation, and half are probably too optimistic to be true.

Shepard: We have to believe that we can do something.

Ashley: When I thought you were dead, I lost hope. I'm telling you. But when you came back? I was ready to believe anything. I mean, maybe this problem can't be solved by some grunt shooting the bogeyman in the face, but if you think it might help, I'm game.
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Kaidan: Are you flirting with me, Commander? Wait, wait! Don't tell me. Let me live in the illusion.
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Kaidan: I want to kick the Reapers straight to hell. Cerberus, too. People near death say their lives flash before their eyes... The future flashed for me--the anguish, the families, the children... It made me determined to live.
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Shepard: I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Garrus: We both know you need a clear head to win a war. There's no room for mistakes here. You should catch some shut-eye.
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Ashley: I don't know what you are... not since they got their hands on you. Is it really you? Would you even know if they were controlling you somehow?
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Modifié par masster blaster, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[demersel]

It is really really strange how the suppesed COD target auditory has no problem with ME3 ending and no problem with understanding the concept of IT.....

[JamieCOTC]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

byne wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

If IT was indeed intentional, then for what reason? To make future content for Mass effect? Bioware said they are done with the franchise

You do realize they're already announced Mass Effect 4, right?

damn didnt see that

soooo what. The IT theory is to leave you all speculating until the next release?

If Bioware plays on with the IT theory in ME4, it would not be an intentional goal 10 years in the making.

You cannot seriously think they had planned this all along since the begining, or even at the begining of mass effect 3 development

Considering how well the pieces fit together, yes thaat is exactly what we can believe.

Some of the pieces fit together, true, but that's because Shepard was supposed to come under Reaper control, but that was cut due to technical issues. What we got was, I guess, Plan B, and a bad plan at that. The original concept of IT is interesting and would have been a great piece of storytelling, but all it boils down to now is that destroy is the best option.  IT is also interesting as a social phenomenon that so many players refused to believe the ending of the game was as bad as it was.  I too believe IT is a coping mechanism, but that doesn’t mean it sucks, far from it.  It simply illustrates how many people had such a fondness for this game and didn’t want it to fail like it did. 

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

The thing is... even if Literal - Destroy is STILL the best choice.

No! Literally the best are Control & Synthesis.

Synthesis is a goddamn abomination, and control is just killing yourself and letting an AI you have no control over rule the galaxy.

Both are horrible choices.

Shepard's "alive", just different. And now in Control.

And if Synthesis is genuine, then it's great for all to have cool upgrades and not hear voices.

Modifié par paxxton, 01 novembre 2012 - 10:57 .

[Bill Casey]

Lazengan wrote...

The indoctrination theory may make sense in context, but For Bioware to pull something legendary where it begins to break fourth wall, is impossible in their current state. They are not those kind of writers and never have been.

U mad bro?

[demersel]

Paxxton, the synthesis that is shown in ME3 if literal - is the most horrible thing to have happened in the universe EVER. You basicly kill everyone and everything, down to plants and bacteria everywhere. Yes in their place the new universe is borne - but the old one is deaqd nonetheless.

[estebanus]

Hm, I just got both the cerberus harrier and collector asault rifle. Lucky me, I guess.

[masster blaster]

Hey bill

Saren Arterius: I don’t like it, brother. They don’t serve us. They only care about the monolith.

Desolas Arterius: And that’s why I’m going to all of this trouble to make them associate me with it. I’m the protector. I’m giving it a place of respect. Someplace where I can figure out how to make it control them!
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Desolas Arterius: I have a monolith too – And like his, mine is an evolution accelerator. Too long there has been parity between the races on the Citadel. When any upstart race can enter as equals, it’s time to change the equation. It’s time to bring the myths to life.

Jack Harper (TIM): I’m telling you again, you don’t know what you’re dealing with. Ancient classics aside. There’s more to your monolith than just an evolutionary jump start. It’s dangerous!
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Desolas Arterius: Imagine a legion of turians – evolved to a state of ultimate physical perfection! Never resting – Never yielding!
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Desolas Arterius: Nonsense! We’re pacifying the Meta-Turians. Recall the forces outside. I just need to… adjust the experiment.

Jack Harper: That won’t work, Desolas! That was never going to work!


Oh look what happened to Saren's brother, and look at what TIM is telling Saren"s brother. Isn't it funny how Bioware managed to bring this little tide bit back into ME3, only Shepard is Jack, and TIM is Saren"s brother.

Ya Bioware doesn't know what they are doing Hanar.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Shepard's "alive", just different. And now in Control.

Nope. Shepard is dead and gone in control. The AI tells you that itself.

[Lazengan]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey bill

Saren Arterius: I don’t like it, brother. They don’t serve us. They only care about the monolith.

Desolas Arterius: And that’s why I’m going to all of this trouble to make them associate me with it. I’m the protector. I’m giving it a place of respect. Someplace where I can figure out how to make it control them!
________________________________________

Desolas Arterius: I have a monolith too – And like his, mine is an evolution accelerator. Too long there has been parity between the races on the Citadel. When any upstart race can enter as equals, it’s time to change the equation. It’s time to bring the myths to life.

Jack Harper (TIM): I’m telling you again, you don’t know what you’re dealing with. Ancient classics aside. There’s more to your monolith than just an evolutionary jump start. It’s dangerous!
________________________________________

Desolas Arterius: Imagine a legion of turians – evolved to a state of ultimate physical perfection! Never resting – Never yielding!
________________________________________

Desolas Arterius: Nonsense! We’re pacifying the Meta-Turians. Recall the forces outside. I just need to… adjust the experiment.

Jack Harper: That won’t work, Desolas! That was never going to work!


Oh look what happened to Saren's brother, and look at what TIM is telling Saren"s brother. Isn't it funny how Bioware managed to bring this little tide bit back into ME3, only Shepard is Jack, and TIM is Saren"s brother.

Ya Bioware doesn't know what they are doing Hanar.

Okay, so what's stopping Bioware from admitting the canonicity of IT

Such great writing should not be misunderstood or unrewarded rite?

Modifié par Lazengan, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:03 .

[masster blaster]

demersel wrote...

Paxxton, the synthesis that is shown in ME3 if literal - is the most horrible thing to have happened in the universe EVER. You basicly kill everyone and everything, down to plants and bacteria everywhere. Yes in their place the new universe is borne - but the old one is deaqd nonetheless.

Gavin Archer: This is a hybrid
intelligence the likes of which I have never seen. I don't know where
the man ends and the machine begins.

Shepard: You should have considered that before you started the experiment.
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Gavin Archer: I'm begging you, don't do anything rash.

Shepard: Rash? Like forcing your brother into an experiment?

Gavin Archer: I know how this must look, but I never intended any harm to come to him. You must believe me
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Gavin Archer: Any war we fight with the Geth will be bloody. I was asked to find a way to avoid that.

Shepard: Who gave you the right to play God?

Gavin Archer: People who were too afraid to make difficult decisions themselves.
When they pray for a miracle, they're really praying for men like me to
make the tough choices. If my work spares a million mothers morning the
loss of a million sons, my conscience will rest easy.
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Gavin Archer: It would be the perfect weapon. -- Victory without casualties! We could avoid war with the Geth altogether. That was the plan, anyway.
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Shepard: What went wrong with the experiment?

Gavin Archer: David
volunteered to interface with the VI to give it genuine consciousness.
Theoretically it should have been safe, but... with artificial
intelligence there is no such thing as safe.

Shepard: Then you shouldn't have attempted it.

God damn, this is it. This puts the nail in the coffin for control and synthesis. Over and out.

Just replace David with Shepard in that bolded sentence.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Paxxton, the synthesis that is shown in ME3 if literal - is the most horrible thing to have happened in the universe EVER. You basicly kill everyone and everything, down to plants and bacteria everywhere. Yes in their place the new universe is borne - but the old one is deaqd nonetheless.

Not killed. Modified. And then everyone's happy.  Synthesis is not about spiritual transformation but engineered change.

[byne]

Lazengan wrote...

Okay, so what's stopping Bioware from admitting the canonicity of IT

Such great writing should not be misunderstood or rewarded rite?

Because lots of speculation from everyone.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Synthesis is about playing god and deciding you personally know what is best for the universe.

Fixed.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard's "alive", just different. And now in Control.

Nope. Shepard is dead and gone in control. The AI tells you that itself.

His consciousness was uploaded to the new Catalyst.

[demersel]

Lazengan wrote...

Okay, so what's stopping Bioware from admitting the canonicity of IT

Such great writing should not be misunderstood or unrewarded rite?

Because why spoil the surprise before time?

[masster blaster]

"This nightmare never ends." - Liara

"I am starting to understand what the word "nightmare" means to organics. And why you feel trapped when you can't wake up." - EDI

"As a child, I always had nightmares about geth attacking me in my sleep.The worst horror I could imagine. Until now." -Tali

"The only thing Cerberus gave me that I'm grateful for.A precaution if I was ever captured by the enemy.Or couldn't wake from my nightmare." - Dr. Gavin Archer

"After your intervention, the Illusive Man insisted I find another test subject. Someone who shared my brother David's "abilities."I couldn't bear the thought of reliving the nightmare." - Dr. Gavin Archer

"Not a monster who tortured his own brother.I told him if his intention was to work with the devil, he only had to look in the mirror. I wanted out of his nightmare."
- Dr. Gavin Archer

"Believe me, it's a nightmare I re-live every night. He went berserk -- his mind became a computer virus that infected all our systems." - Dr. Gavin Archer

"Now I can have all-new nightmares about them."

"Well, anyone who lives through this war won't be short on nightmares." -Garrus

"I still have slime to clean off my armor.What a nightmare."

"Sounds like it was a nightmare down there."

"Now it's mutated asari. The Reapers are just a giant nightmare factory that never ends." -Garrus

"Tonight: A nightmare on Earth. Human leaders using military force on their own people." -Diana Allers

"It'll be the last one if I have anything to say about it. This nightmare finally ends today." - Commander Shepard

"I can hardly believe it, myself. Like everything back on Earth was some kind of nightmare." - Commander Shepard

"I think all the reports are starting to sink in. You can only live in denial so long.You either wake up or die. Either way..."

"If they're lucky, they grew up thinking the galaxy is basically a decent place.Some rough spots here and there, but for the most part, life makes sense. Now they find out it was all a lie.They wake up to see these things in the dark that just want to destroy everyone they ever cared about.If they survive, there'll be a lot of angry orphans out there looking for answers."

"Rila's not one of them yet. She can't be. She just needs to wake up! Look -- Rila's alive! She's not a monster.Please, let me wake her up. Then we can leave." - Samara's Daughter

"The hell it won't. We get to this artifact, and we can all wake up." - Commander Shepard.

"Wake up." - Catalyst

OMG Bioware doesn't know what they are doing. Oh right they do.

"If they're lucky, they grew up thinking the galaxy is basically a
decent place.Some rough spots here and there, but for the most part,
life makes sense. Now they find out it was all a lie.They wake up to see
these things in the dark that just want to destroy everyone they ever
cared about.If they survive, there'll be a lot of angry orphans out
there looking for answers." (garrus afte grissom.academy)
"The crash site's a nightmare." (shepard in turian platoon mission...but it really does not support in any way)


Oh wait um ya..they...ya they did it again.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:08 .

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard's "alive", just different. And now in Control.

Nope. Shepard is dead and gone in control. The AI tells you that itself.

His consciousness was uploaded to the new Catalyst.

No it wasnt. The AI was based off of her, but she herself is gone.