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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Am glad I ducked out when that hanar was around. The " bad writing " argument is a really big trigger for me. It's the least logical or relevant argument. They say " it's all a dream " would mean anything can be added, but " it's all bad writing" can incorporate anything too. Disagree with me? Well, it's just bad writing. See how that works? They have an illogical argument that covers everything while being completely irrelevant.

Yeah don't even get me started. It's not actually an argument, but good luck telling them that. Plus, even if it was, it would be circular. It's a viewpoint, but it can't disprove anything. It's like how IT is not fanfiction because we invented nothing. In theory (and some people did this - major props), someone could play the end and see it as an indoctrination attempt without even thinking it happened at face value. They would see the literal view and be all like:
What? That makes no sense. Where did you come up with this theory? Posted Image


Exactly. That's why I go bonkers when they go " bad writing". Besides the fact that it's ridiculous ( There is some great writing in there), it's subjective and doesn't even address the evidence supplied. One or two pieces of evidence might be coincidence, but beyond that it's a pattern and anyone who disagrees is in denial, is trolling, or has an agenda to push.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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Discuss! (Ny Day Art in case anyone missed it.)
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There are a lot of things I don't know what to make of.


I mentioned earlier that the blue/red-paragon/renegade thing is obvious.

Also, there are 5 shipmates on shepard's right and six on his left.

Do you mean squadmates? If so, you probably missed Javik on the right.

TOP! Posted Image


I said shepard's left and right, not ours.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Am glad I ducked out when that hanar was around. The " bad writing " argument is a really big trigger for me. It's the least logical or relevant argument. They say " it's all a dream " would mean anything can be added, but " it's all bad writing" can incorporate anything too. Disagree with me? Well, it's just bad writing. See how that works? They have an illogical argument that covers everything while being completely irrelevant.


Yeah, it's just not worth arguing with those people.  That's how House got like he is.  There's only so much time you can spend trying to have an intelligent debate with something that's intellectually closer to a pet than a peer before you're all bitter and hateful.

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Rifneno wrote...

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Am glad I ducked out when that hanar was around. The " bad writing " argument is a really big trigger for me. It's the least logical or relevant argument. They say " it's all a dream " would mean anything can be added, but " it's all bad writing" can incorporate anything too. Disagree with me? Well, it's just bad writing. See how that works? They have an illogical argument that covers everything while being completely irrelevant.


Yeah, it's just not worth arguing with those people.  That's how House got like he is.  There's only so much time you can spend trying to have an intelligent debate with something that's intellectually closer to a pet than a peer before you're all bitter and hateful.

And I've reached that point in my life, so I can relate.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Discuss! (Ny Day Art in case anyone missed it.)

There are a lot of things I don't know what to make of.


I mentioned earlier that the blue/red-paragon/renegade thing is obvious.

Also, there are 5 shipmates on shepard's right and six on his left.

Do you mean squadmates? If so, you probably missed Javik on the right.

TOP! Posted Image


I said shepard's left and right, not ours.

DAMN IT! [/Cerberus trooper]

Had a literalist moment there... Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Am glad I ducked out when that hanar was around. The " bad writing " argument is a really big trigger for me. It's the least logical or relevant argument. They say " it's all a dream " would mean anything can be added, but " it's all bad writing" can incorporate anything too. Disagree with me? Well, it's just bad writing. See how that works? They have an illogical argument that covers everything while being completely irrelevant.


Yeah, it's just not worth arguing with those people.  That's how House got like he is.  There's only so much time you can spend trying to have an intelligent debate with something that's intellectually closer to a pet than a peer before you're all bitter and hateful.

Yeah, you need to know when to disengage sometimes.

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Speaking of the grossly inferior, apparently China is touting the "stealth fighter" they're working on. It looks like they googled "f-22" and tried to build something that looks like whatever popped up. And they painted it bright blue for some reason. I can't stop chuckling. Twenty bucks says the wings would break off if they tried to pull a break turn.

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Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of the grossly inferior, apparently China is touting the "stealth fighter" they're working on. It looks like they googled "f-22" and tried to build something that looks like whatever popped up. And they painted it bright blue for some reason. I can't stop chuckling. Twenty bucks says the wings would break off if they tried to pull a break turn.

Chinese pilot commenting on F22:
Commander that thing just pulled a turn that would shear any of our planes in half!

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When talking to Joker after Sur'kesh, he mentions being more comfortable with making plans involving time travel or teaching the Reapers to love then allying with the Krogan.

Well, he was half right...

That being said, I still think having the Crucible turn into a time machine that acts as a Relay point to drag previous species to the present would be kinda cool. Though a little corny seeing the Protheans and dozens of other species suddenly arrive to carry the day against the Reapers.

But hey, it would certainly make the galaxy a more interesting place. Especially if the reinforcement species didn't get on with each other (i.e. Protheans deciding to restart their empire...).

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of the grossly inferior, apparently China is touting the "stealth fighter" they're working on. It looks like they googled "f-22" and tried to build something that looks like whatever popped up. And they painted it bright blue for some reason. I can't stop chuckling. Twenty bucks says the wings would break off if they tried to pull a break turn.

Chinese pilot commenting on F22:
Commander, I don't know what you did down there but that thing just pulled a turn that would shear any of our planes in half!


Fixed.

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Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of the grossly inferior, apparently China is touting the "stealth fighter" they're working on. It looks like they googled "f-22" and tried to build something that looks like whatever popped up. And they painted it bright blue for some reason. I can't stop chuckling. Twenty bucks says the wings would break off if they tried to pull a break turn.


Its worked for their car manufacturing industry.

The Chinese seem to be very good at copying other people's ideas these days.  And then claiming they came up with it, and there are no copyright infringements to worry about.

So yeah.  I can imagine those copied F-22's will be pretty good in a few years once they've worked out how it all goes together.

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Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of the grossly inferior, apparently China is touting the "stealth fighter" they're working on. It looks like they googled "f-22" and tried to build something that looks like whatever popped up. And they painted it bright blue for some reason. I can't stop chuckling. Twenty bucks says the wings would break off if they tried to pull a break turn.

Chinese pilot commenting on F22:
Commander, I don't know what you did down there but that thing just pulled a turn that would shear any of our planes in half!


Fixed.

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Andromidius wrote...

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Speaking of the grossly inferior, apparently China is touting the "stealth fighter" they're working on. It looks like they googled "f-22" and tried to build something that looks like whatever popped up. And they painted it bright blue for some reason. I can't stop chuckling. Twenty bucks says the wings would break off if they tried to pull a break turn.


Its worked for their car manufacturing industry.

The Chinese seem to be very good at copying other people's ideas these days.  And then claiming they came up with it, and there are no copyright infringements to worry about.

So yeah.  I can imagine those copied F-22's will be pretty good in a few years once they've worked out how it all goes together.


Remind me how a 150 million dollar fighter jet that's so tightly controlled that the country that makes them won't even sell them to their closest allies is any, ANY way like a car that anyone can buy and dissamble to see how it works.  You're not even comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and liquid nitrogen.  Or do you think the hard part of making a plane is designing the chassis?

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Rifneno wrote...
Remind me how a 150 million dollar fighter jet that's so tightly controlled that the country that makes them won't even sell them to their closest allies is any, ANY way like a car that anyone can buy and dissamble to see how it works.  You're not even comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and liquid nitrogen.  Or do you think the hard part of making a plane is designing the chassis?


Actually, i'm subtly suggesting that they like stealing blueprints.

Very subtly.

So subtle that you aren't even reading this.

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Interesting article for people who choose destroy vs people who despise destroy because it kills "people" I.E. Me vs Xil.

Apparently, Scientists have discovered that the human brain can be logical and compassionate but not both at the same time, therefore proving that rejecting a logical choice to be compassionate is illogical.


The human brain is unquestioningly an amazing thing. But for all its strengths, it can be pretty glitchy at times. And indeed, as new research from Case Western Reserve has revealed, our brains have two very important functions that tend to work quite well — just not simultaneously. It turns out that when we’re being analytical, the empathetic parts of our brain shuts down, and vice versa. The insight may help to explain not just the limits to human cognition, but also what may be going wrong in the brains of people with social disorders.

According to new research by Anthony Jack and his colleagues, the brain contains two different networks that are in constant tension. Normally, when we’re not called upon to think too deeply or consider moral issues, our brains idle and toggle between two cognitive modes, what are called the social network and the analytical network. 

So, when we do things like math or our personal accounting, we’re pulling from the analytical network. And when we’re thinking about the needs of others or certain ethical conundrums, we draw from the social network.

However, as Jack’s research has shown, the human brain has evolved a physiological constraint in its ability to engage both of these networks at the same time — networks that are both crucial to our understanding of the external world. When we’re called upon to do one or the other our brains shut down the network that’s not being used — what the researchers are calling a ‘neural constraint’ on account of two incompatible cognitive modes.

To prove that this is the case, Jack took 45 volunteers and asked each of them to take five 10-minute turns inside an fMRI machine. While their brains were being scanned and imaged, they were randomly presented with 40 written and 40 video problems that tested social cognition (reasoning about the mental states of other persons) and physical cognition (reasoning about the causal/mechanical properties of inanimate objects). The participants were also given periods to rest and not think about anything too deeply. 

When the subsequent scans were analyzed, the researchers saw that social problems had shut down the analytical portion of the brain while the social network areas lit up. And vice versa when the analytical questions were presented. Essentially, the appropriate neural pathways lit up depending on which network was being called upon.

It’s worth noting that the study did not assess the participants’ ability to be compassionate while conducting analytical tasks; the neuroscientists were strictly looking at the physiological responses to their tests and making inferences based upon that.

The researchers say that the new insight could help explain such conditions as anxiety, depression, ADHD, and autism — conditions that tend to involve a social dysfunction of some sort. Future treatments may work to target a balance between the two networks.

And as for normal functioning people, the research could also explain why we might make poor moral decisions when having to work on a complex task — including such things as budgeting or performance assessments. And conversely, it’s also a reminder to set aside some quality “thinking time” when we have to consider the logic of our moral views. Read the entire study at NeuroImage.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Apparently, Scientists have discovered that the human brain can be logical and compassionate but not both at the same time, therefore proving that rejecting a logical choice to be compassionate is illogical.


That I can certainly believe.  Its why I sometimes flip-flop between two extremes for a while before I work out which I actually support.  Both have merit, after all.

Its also why its very easy to dismiss certain ideas, since they are neither compassionate or logical.

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Andromidius wrote...

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Apparently, Scientists have discovered that the human brain can be logical and compassionate but not both at the same time, therefore proving that rejecting a logical choice to be compassionate is illogical.


That I can certainly believe.  Its why I sometimes flip-flop between two extremes for a while before I work out which I actually support.  Both have merit, after all.

Its also why its very easy to dismiss certain ideas, since they are neither compassionate or logical.


Precisely. Complex problems are hard to work out because one has to balance logic against morals and one or the other wins out because one cannot think about both at the exact same time.

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Remind me how a 150 million dollar fighter jet that's so tightly controlled that the country that makes them won't even sell them to their closest allies is any, ANY way like a car that anyone can buy and dissamble to see how it works.  You're not even comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and liquid nitrogen.  Or do you think the hard part of making a plane is designing the chassis?


Actually, i'm subtly suggesting that they like stealing blueprints.

Very subtly.

So subtle that you aren't even reading this.


Because the government does such a poor job of protecting the blueprints of their greatest air superiority fighter.  That's why no one else has built one.  And before the Raptor was the apex predator of the skies, it's why no one ever managed to build an F-15 Eagle, a plane that after fourty years in service has never been shot down in combat.  I'm sure nobody wanted one of those either, that's why there were no successful copycats.

Oh hey, did you hear that Hollywood sometimes fictionalizes how flimsy government security is?  I know, right?

The PAK-FA is an actual threat to American air forces.  Because the Russians actually know how to build this stuff and it's not a design they picked up from taking pictures at the Air and Space museum in Ohio.  It remains to be seen how big of a threat, but it's actually a worry to people who know the industry.  This volusChinese knockoff?  It gets laughed at.  A lot.  Probably something to do with the fact that if China tried to build their own engines, it'd likely explode when they activated the afterburner.

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And before the Raptor was the apex predator of the skies, it's why no one ever managed to build an F-15 Eagle, a plane that after fourty years in service has never been shot down in combat.  I'm sure nobody wanted one of those either, that's why there were no successful copycats.

See Rif? The Eagle is really good! Posted ImagePosted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

And before the Raptor was the apex predator of the skies, it's why no one ever managed to build an F-15 Eagle, a plane that after fourty years in service has never been shot down in combat.  I'm sure nobody wanted one of those either, that's why there were no successful copycats.

See Rif? The Eagle is really good! Posted ImagePosted Image


*SMACK*  There are some things we do not joke about!

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*rolls eyes*

Okay.

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I heard the Raptor got buffed last Tuesday, but I didn't know it was apex predator of the skies.

Rokayt will be pleased.

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Andromidius wrote...

*rolls eyes*

Okay.


Yeah, eye rolling is about what I did at "omg teh chinese r steal top sekretz!"  Seriously, what the hell are you thinking?  No wonder the literalists call us conspiracy theorists.  Jesus.

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Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

*rolls eyes*

Okay.


Yeah, eye rolling is about what I did at "omg teh chinese r steal top sekretz!"  Seriously, what the hell are you thinking?  No wonder the literalists call us conspiracy theorists.  Jesus.


I thought it was about the Eagle but it could have been about my comment.

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Hrothdane wrote...

I heard the Raptor got buffed last Tuesday, but I didn't know it was apex predator of the skies.

Rokayt will be pleased.

:D

One of my sets of teeth was buffed too!

And a green bug!

And the Sine Curve got a nice buff.

TOP!

Goodnight awesome people!

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