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Davik, true ..but look at the polls - like the one ComdShep80 quoted - 46 votes in support for IT. So it is not just people in this thread-chatroom - we don't have 46 people. maybe 15 at the very most.

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demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?


Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 

Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?

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Davik Kang wrote...

demersel wrote...
What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?

Level of support is too strong... this thread is more like a chat room for a group of friends... most threads have more trolls than honest participants...

Usually when a DLC drops (SP) this thread becomes flooded in speculation and trolls.

Omega in coming out soon!!! 

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ME Trilogy trailer supports not the literal ending.

It was really cool, and I like how they directly compared Saren to a Banshee! I mean hey - they're both synthesis. Posted Image

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demersel wrote...

Davik, true ..but look at the polls - like the one ComdShep80 quoted - 46 votes in support for IT. So it is not just people in this thread-chatroom - we don't have 46 people. maybe 15 at the very most.


and as far as I know all the regulars voted. I left it open to see if anyone else votes. 

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?


Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 

Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?


Javik is the least likely person to be indoctrinated.

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demersel wrote...

Davik, true ..but look at the polls - like the one ComdShep80 quoted - 46 votes in support for IT. So it is not just people in this thread-chatroom - we don't have 46 people. maybe 15 at the very most.

You kidding, I could name like 50 people from this thread off the top of my head!

@Batman Yeah, this thread is probably the least negative.

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estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?

More like people don't see the need to do so anymore, or just don't care enough for the effort. The absence of people going against the theory (not trolls, because most of them aren't) probably just means that the IT is becoming less and less known.


How many shots at IT are you going to take?

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demersel wrote...

Davik, true ..but look at the polls - like the one ComdShep80 quoted - 46 votes in support for IT. So it is not just people in this thread-chatroom - we don't have 46 people. maybe 15 at the very most.

You, uh... You do realize that there are almost 500 people in the IT group, right? Plus, don't forget the lurkers.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?


Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 

Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?


The thing is, that under the circumstances - Javik is actually more trustworthy than Liara. Liara in ME3 is just weird. Like, for example - the thing she does in her goodbye conversation in priority earth - what the hell was that all about, and is that supposed to mean? 

With Javik we at least know where he's coming from - before we got him out Shaprd gets to expirience last memories of Javik for himself without Javik having any control or knowledge over it. He may not be a defining represantative of the Protheans - but he is what he is. 

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spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?

More like people don't see the need to do so anymore, or just don't care enough for the effort. The absence of people going against the theory (not trolls, because most of them aren't) probably just means that the IT is becoming less and less known.


How many shots at IT are you going to take?

Estebanus has turned into quite a downer (come on, no one likes downers). Probably because Estebanus had enough of hoping. No need to lower moral Esteban. We all know the score...

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Riiiight there is a group thing....Yeah, forgot about that. Don't actually pay much attention to it. Anything interesting there? )))

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IT is on the front page, usually top 5, of the bsn. Everyone on the bsn knows this thread

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BatmanTurian wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?


Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 

Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?


Javik is the least likely person to be indoctrinated.


hate to say it but how do you know?  We fought most of his race in ME 2. He was on a ship filled with indoctrinated people. And the big hint. What if the preview of him before he goes into stasis was not real but in part a hallucination?  For all we know he walked into stasis already as indoctrinated as Shepard is (orzo we all are claiming that is)

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^ (Or so is what it's supposed to say. Darn the auto correct)

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spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?

More like people don't see the need to do so anymore, or just don't care enough for the effort. The absence of people going against the theory (not trolls, because most of them aren't) probably just means that the IT is becoming less and less known.


How many shots at IT are you going to take?

That has nothing to do with the theory's validity. It's just what I think is going on. Most people obviously don't like the theory (That's what it looks like, at least), and since several moderators have told people to stay away, they probably just don't give a damn.

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Yeah he is pretty intolerable lately. Estebanus why don't you turn in to your sister again? You were slightly more pleasant that way.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?


Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 

Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?


Javik is the least likely person to be indoctrinated.


hate to say it but how do you know?  We fought most of his race in ME 2. He was on a ship filled with indoctrinated people. And the big hint. What if the preview of him before he goes into stasis was not real but in part a hallucination?  For all we know he walked into stasis already as indoctrinated as Shepard is (orzo we all are claiming that is)

*sigh* He's Javik. He wants the Reapers dead more than anything. He doesn't want to work with them, for them, or control them, he just wants them gone and it is that immense hate that makes him too strong-willed to be indoctrinated easily.

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demersel wrote..

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...
What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?

Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 
Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?

The thing is, that under the circumstances - Javik is actually more trustworthy than Liara. Liara in ME3 is just weird. Like, for example - the thing she does in her goodbye conversation in priority earth - what the hell was that all about, and is that supposed to mean? 
With Javik we at least know where he's coming from - before we got him out Shaprd gets to expirience last memories of Javik for himself without Javik having any control or knowledge over it. He may not be a defining represantative of the Protheans - but he is what he is. 

Javik's entire existence is to kill Reapers. Javik is also (for now) the last of the Protheans, the Race more advanced than the current cycle. Javik would be a valuable asset on any team. The only inconsitancy that Javik shows is when he evacs during the beam run. Javik simply will never do that. He won't falter like that.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?


Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 

Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?


Javik is the least likely person to be indoctrinated.


hate to say it but how do you know?  We fought most of his race in ME 2. He was on a ship filled with indoctrinated people. And the big hint. What if the preview of him before he goes into stasis was not real but in part a hallucination?  For all we know he walked into stasis already as indoctrinated as Shepard is (orzo we all are claiming that is)

*sigh* He's Javik. He wants the Reapers dead more than anything. He doesn't want to work with them, for them, or control them, he just wants them gone and it is that immense hate that makes him too strong-willed to be indoctrinated easily.

Javik is a more experienced version of Shepard. I'm not saying he couldn't be indoctrinated. However, I highly doubt they would release a day one dlc with a squadmater that will turn out to be, in future dlc, indoctrinated. Moreover, I think we can all agree the farewell scene with Javik makes no sense whatsoever.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

IT is on the front page, usually top 5, of the bsn. Everyone on the bsn knows this thread

Yes, and it's the same group of people that have been here since the beginning that havekept the thread alive up until now.Compared to many other threads, there are a lot less active people in here, however the people who are active are really active.

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demersel wrote...
Davik, true ..but look at the polls - like the one ComdShep80 quoted - 46 votes in support for IT. So it is not just people in this thread-chatroom - we don't have 46 people. maybe 15 at the very most.

You've got way more than 46 too.  Support for IT exists outside this thread and outside these forums.  It's an attractive answer for the somewhat ambiguous ending.  Many people like it for different reasons, but many people like it nonetheless, and the group ranges from casual players to hardcore players, from ending lovers to ending haters, from players with little connection to the story to others obessed with the franchise...

The fact that IT gets brought up by professional journalists when talking about the game's aftermath speaks for itself...

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estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?

More like people don't see the need to do so anymore, or just don't care enough for the effort. The absence of people going against the theory (not trolls, because most of them aren't) probably just means that the IT is becoming less and less known.


How many shots at IT are you going to take?

That has nothing to do with the theory's validity. It's just what I think is going on. Most people obviously don't like the theory (That's what it looks like, at least), and since several moderators have told people to stay away, they probably just don't give a damn.


They could never argue with it anyway.
They have been recycling the same points over and over again(well not anymore since they don't post) back in spring.
It got really boring, proving the same points to be false again and again.

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Yeah he is pretty intolerable lately. Estebanus why don't you turn in to your sister again? You were slightly more pleasant that way.

dafuq. She's in Cyprus right now. How the hell is she supposed to come over here?

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plfranke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?


Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture. 

Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species?  After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?


Javik is the least likely person to be indoctrinated.


hate to say it but how do you know?  We fought most of his race in ME 2. He was on a ship filled with indoctrinated people. And the big hint. What if the preview of him before he goes into stasis was not real but in part a hallucination?  For all we know he walked into stasis already as indoctrinated as Shepard is (orzo we all are claiming that is)

*sigh* He's Javik. He wants the Reapers dead more than anything. He doesn't want to work with them, for them, or control them, he just wants them gone and it is that immense hate that makes him too strong-willed to be indoctrinated easily.

Javik is a more experienced version of Shepard. I'm not saying he couldn't be indoctrinated. However, I highly doubt they would release a day one dlc with a squadmater that will turn out to be, in future dlc, indoctrinated. Moreover, I think we can all agree the farewell scene with Javik makes no sense whatsoever.


Synthesis Javik is just idiotic. they could have at least put his name on the board and alluded to him committing suicide. But we all know why they didn't do that. Synthesis changes everyone fundamentally down to the core of their conciousness.