spotlessvoid wrote...
Why does someone who thinks IT is not what Bioware intended, that it's bad writing, spend so much time exclusively in this thread spewing negativity, nitpicking everything, contributing nothing, and being rude to all but a few select people?
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Davik Kang wrote...
You've got way more than 46 too. Support for IT exists outside this thread and outside these forums. It's an attractive answer for the somewhat ambiguous ending. Many people like it for different reasons, but many people like it nonetheless, and the group ranges from casual players to hardcore players, from ending lovers to ending haters, from players with little connection to the story to others obessed with the franchise...demersel wrote...
Davik, true ..but look at the polls - like the one ComdShep80 quoted - 46 votes in support for IT. So it is not just people in this thread-chatroom - we don't have 46 people. maybe 15 at the very most.
The fact that IT gets brought up by professional journalists when talking about the game's aftermath speaks for itself...
Woah, it was only a remark. I didn't mean anything by it.Davik Kang wrote...
As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.estebanus wrote...
Wasn't that during the time where there were more indoctrinationists on the BSN than literalists? I haven't seen many articles mentioning the IT in them since then.
I've seen enough good stories come to a terrible ending in my day to believe that Bioware really did screw up with the endings. However, it's hard to look at all the odd tidbits that have been mentioned in this thread and think that there is nothing fishy going on with the game in general, foolish even.A Bethesda Fan wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Why does someone who thinks IT is not what Bioware intended, that it's bad writing, spend so much time exclusively in this thread spewing negativity, nitpicking everything, contributing nothing, and being rude to all but a few select people?
You don't seriously think they intended it?
I mean it's been 8 months and they tried to patch a stupid ending.
Why waste time patching a stupid ending if it didn't happen anyway.
I'm all for Indoctrination but it is illogical to assume IT is going to be the ending now.
Speculating is unhealthy.
A Bethesda Fan wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Why does someone who thinks IT is not what Bioware intended, that it's bad writing, spend so much time exclusively in this thread spewing negativity, nitpicking everything, contributing nothing, and being rude to all but a few select people?
You don't seriously think they intended it?
I mean it's been 8 months and they tried to patch a stupid ending.
Why waste time patching a stupid ending if it didn't happen anyway.
I'm all for Indoctrination but it is illogical to assume IT is going to be the ending now.
Speculating is unhealthy.
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estebanus wrote...
Woah, it was only a remark. I didn't mean anything by it.Davik Kang wrote...
As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.estebanus wrote...
Wasn't that during the time where there were more indoctrinationists on the BSN than literalists? I haven't seen many articles mentioning the IT in them since then.
I mean that less people care about it, resulting on many IT-related things staying exclusively inside this thread.plfranke wrote...
I disagree with his words completely. How can something become less and less known? Are you saying people are forgetting about IT? Or are you saying new people are coming to see me3's ending but are unaware of IT. It's hard to know about me3 and not know about IT.SwobyJ wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
estebanus wrote...
More like people don't see the need to do so anymore, or just don't care enough for the effort. The absence of people going against the theory (not trolls, because most of them aren't) probably just means that the IT is becoming less and less known.demersel wrote...
What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?
How many shots at IT are you going to take?
While I agree with you there (lol), I also agree with estabanus's words. IT and Mass Effect are not major gaming things anymore.
If they announce an expansion or new game, and info on it streams in, then things can get active again.
Neither did he, it was an Illusive Man quote.estebanus wrote...
Woah, it was only a remark. I didn't mean anything by it.Davik Kang wrote...
As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.estebanus wrote...
Wasn't that during the time where there were more indoctrinationists on the BSN than literalists? I haven't seen many articles mentioning the IT in them since then.
I think he was just paraphrasing TIM for fun. I hope.estebanus wrote...
Woah, it was only a remark. I didn't mean anything by it.Davik Kang wrote...
As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.estebanus wrote...
Wasn't that during the time where there were more indoctrinationists on the BSN than literalists? I haven't seen many articles mentioning the IT in them since then.
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BatmanTurian wrote...
A Bethesda Fan wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Why does someone who thinks IT is not what Bioware intended, that it's bad writing, spend so much time exclusively in this thread spewing negativity, nitpicking everything, contributing nothing, and being rude to all but a few select people?
You don't seriously think they intended it?
I mean it's been 8 months and they tried to patch a stupid ending.
Why waste time patching a stupid ending if it didn't happen anyway.
I'm all for Indoctrination but it is illogical to assume IT is going to be the ending now.
Speculating is unhealthy.
Then... why are you here if you think it's unhealthy?
Davik Kang wrote...
As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.estebanus wrote...
Wasn't that during the time where there were more indoctrinationists on the BSN than literalists? I haven't seen many articles mentioning the IT in them since then.Well that is rife on BSN and the Internet and in life in general (and to be fair it does pop up in this thread from time to time too...)BatmanTurian wrote...
I believe that's called confirmation bias and denial?
estebanus wrote...
Woah, it was only a remark. I didn't mean anything by it.As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.
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demersel wrote...
Actually what EC does, is establish that the entire ending starting with the normandy evac for sure just doesn't make sense and that it was not an accident. )))
Javik being ok with going away in the normandy - impossible.
Garrus being ok with going away in the normandy - impossible.
Tali being ok with going away in the normandy - impossible.
Ashley being ok with going away in the normandy - impossible.
James being ok with going away in the normandy - impossible.
Not so sure about Kaidan....but anyway.
EDI getting an evac due to an ingury and being ok with it - that is just beyond stupid.
No, let's move on a bit - the mere fact of normandy being ably to perform a pick up right in fron of the bean guarded by harbinbger makes ENTIRE priority:Earth mission poinless - if it can do that - then why couldn't we just dropped over there in the first place - skipping all the tedios combat in london.
Then, the fact that it comes in mere three seconds after shepard calls for a pick up - is impossible.
Not to mention that the fact that Shepard is even able to contact Joker to ask for pick up is impossible since, just two minutes before that we're explicitly told that the beam blocks all communications near it, and screws up targeting and navigation systems.
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BatmanTurian wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
CmdrShep80 wrote...
demersel wrote...
What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?
Maybe...we're indoctrinating them. After all it is an insidious means of changing someone's way of thinking and if we can indoctrinate their leaders entire nations will fall overnight. Javik can tell you more what happened to his culture.
Speaking of Javik. Anyone know why we are so trusting of a single Prothean when we know next to nothing about their culture or their species? After all isn't it strange that Liara looks at Javik with suspicious awe and is getting suggestions from him that changes her way of thinking?
Javik is the least likely person to be indoctrinated.
I think what he's wondering about is if the Prothians have their own way of 'convincing' other organics to listen to it (Leviathans, Rachni, Thorian, Asari, ... human?).
One of my theories is that organics in the ME universe inevitably learn some form (minor or major) of Dominate
That's an interesting theory. Certainly Shepard seems to have a benevolent form of it without negative side effects.
This is utter BSBatmanTurian wrote...
I don't care that you disagree because you're wrong. High EMS Destroy is the ending where Shepard wakes up from Starbabby's dream-state formed during the process of indoctrination while Shepard is unconcious. Therefore, anything that supports Destroy is valid for IT. Period. The fact that we have to argue about this astounds me.
if not... Let's just say, we may have a problem...BansheeOwnage wrote...
I think he was just paraphrasing TIM for fun. I hope.estebanus wrote...
Woah, it was only a remark. I didn't mean anything by it.Davik Kang wrote...
As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.estebanus wrote...
Wasn't that during the time where there were more indoctrinationists on the BSN than literalists? I haven't seen many articles mentioning the IT in them since then.
kayA Bethesda Fan wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
A Bethesda Fan wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Why does someone who thinks IT is not what Bioware intended, that it's bad writing, spend so much time exclusively in this thread spewing negativity, nitpicking everything, contributing nothing, and being rude to all but a few select people?
You don't seriously think they intended it?
I mean it's been 8 months and they tried to patch a stupid ending.
Why waste time patching a stupid ending if it didn't happen anyway.
I'm all for Indoctrination but it is illogical to assume IT is going to be the ending now.
Speculating is unhealthy.
Then... why are you here if you think it's unhealthy?
I'm not speculating.
smokingotter1 wrote...
Cause we wouldn't have that kick ass mission where you have to activate the missles to shoot down the reaper and a trillion banshee come chasing after you... died so many times....
That's why. Duh.
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plfranke wrote...
I disagree with his words completely. How can something become less and less known? Are you saying people are forgetting about IT? Or are you saying new people are coming to see me3's ending but are unaware of IT. It's hard to know about me3 and not know about IT.SwobyJ wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
estebanus wrote...
More like people don't see the need to do so anymore, or just don't care enough for the effort. The absence of people going against the theory (not trolls, because most of them aren't) probably just means that the IT is becoming less and less known.demersel wrote...
What really surprises me - we don't get here as much trolls as we used to.... Maybe it does really start to sink in?
How many shots at IT are you going to take?
While I agree with you there (lol), I also agree with estabanus's words. IT and Mass Effect are not major gaming things anymore.
If they announce an expansion or new game, and info on it streams in, then things can get active again.
Helps with siding with the reapers? Most definitely, it helps.smokingotter1 wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Yeah he is pretty intolerable lately. Estebanus why don't you turn in to your sister again? You were slightly more pleasant that way.
Or you can turn into an otter. Join the otters and you will be spared, join us and we can find a place for you.
Edit: liking seafood helps with the transition.
You are talking in absolutes here while you cannot know if it's true or not.BansheeOwnage wrote...
The thing is, it doesn't matter anyway, because destroy is the only non-indoctrinated choice before the end anyway. Therefore, supporting destroy supports IT. This particular topic has nothing to do with any hallucination.
But you should both probably disengage before someone dies.
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