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[spotlessvoid]

@Megumi

Do you have a particular interpretation you like at this point, or are you dissatisfied with what Bioware did?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

MegumiAzusa wrote...


As you can see the energy is ablated around the base of the tower, thus there is a shield between Shep and the explosion.

But??

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 03 novembre 2012 - 03:58 .

[Davik Kang]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Sorry wanted only to quote the post you've quoted, forgot to remove your part

Yes my mistake, I realised that afterwards but too late

ZerebusPrime wrote...
manipulation etc.

Regarding other points, the indoctrination seems to have succeeded for many players (go talk to the Synthesis crowd [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]) and we only assume that Destroy makes it a failure (and I sure hope it does).  As for serious after-effects... well, the game ended at a rather nerve racking cliffhanger from an IT point of view.  It remains to be seen just how much damage has or has not been done.  Shepard's brain may have implants allowing it to reconstruct itself or otherwise keep "Shepard" intact somehow, but that's purely conjecture.

You're quite right about your manipulation point; I regretted focusing on that the instant I clicked 'submit'.  However I hope that the overall point still stands - the Codex doesn't definitively imply that Shepard will be rendered a gibbering animal based on what happened.  So I think it's reasonable to assume that the breath scene shows she did survive, and that even Bioware with their morally challenging ending wouldn't be so cruel as to inflict permanent brain damage on our beloved hero.

As such I feel the conjecture is unnecessary.  Btw for me the indoctrination attempt actually heppened on the Citadel, but that's another story.  But irrespective of the finer details, if you consider indoctrination to be involved in the ending, then Destroy does seem to be the logical choice for a symbolic resistance.  Whether any of the others can be said to allow for resisting indoctrination is kind of moot given the consequences of each choice... and this follows imo no matter what interpretation you take (even literally literal literal), though for different reasons in each case.

[Seifer006]

i hate liara...

[demersel]

 I really fail to see the alledged force field and how even if it is present it helps Shepard survive...

Modifié par demersel, 03 novembre 2012 - 04:13 .

[Davik Kang]

Seifer006 wrote...

i hate liara...

on that note... time to bail... goodnight all

[Rifneno]

Seifer006 wrote...

i hate liara...

Sure, why not.

[ZerebusPrime]

Seifer006 wrote...

i hate liara...

This might help.  Play Mass Effect 1.  Do the Therum mission dead last.  Be as rude to her as possible and threaten to "drop her ass back in that damned volcano".  

It's theraputic. :innocent:

[Andromidius]

Hmm. Joker seems to know things he shouldn't know.

When talking to him post-Tunchunka he says "dig until we see daylight, huh?" Obviously a reference to Eve's experiences.

So either he's a nosy git (which is believable), or its another noche in the 'shared memories' symptom of early indoctrination exposure.

Interesting.

[TJBartlemus]

demersel wrote...

 I really fail to see the alledged force field and how even if it is present it helps Shepard survive...

Sup guys!! I see the sheild, but it is containing the explosion in this pic.  Notice that if you zoom in it looks like a nuke going off (originating from the beam) and that the wave is hitting the inside of the shield. 

 What happens next is that the force becomes too great for the shield and bursts it like a bubble thus exposing Shepard to space. Impossible to survive.

[Rifneno]

I don't know what a git is, but I can see myself calling Joker one. I'm gonna go with that.

[Andromidius]

TJBartlemus wrote...
Sup guys!! I see the sheild, but it is containing the explosion in this pic.  Notice that if you zoom in it looks like a nuke going off (originating from the beam) and that the wave is hitting the inside of the shield. 

 What happens next is that the force becomes too great for the shield and bursts it like a bubble thus exposing Shepard to space. Impossible to survive.

Hey.

And yeah, even if the shield doesn't break it would just cause the pressure wave inside the shield to amplify exponentially.  Like when a grenade goes off inside an enclosed room.

And if the shield breaks, then you're spaced without a suit.  Lose-lose situation.

And git means 'bastard', only less offensive and nothing to do with parentege.

[Rifneno]

TJBartlemus wrote...

demersel wrote...

 I really fail to see the alledged force field and how even if it is present it helps Shepard survive...

Sup guys!! I see the sheild, but it is containing the explosion in this pic.  Notice that if you zoom in it looks like a nuke going off (originating from the beam) and that the wave is hitting the inside of the shield. 

 What happens next is that the force becomes too great for the shield and bursts it like a bubble thus exposing Shepard to space. Impossible to survive.

No known force field is powerful enough to withstand an explosion the size of the one we see there.  That's the size of a thermonuclear bomb.  Even Reapers are vulnerable to those.  That's why "the old nuclear missile silos" were first priority targets when they hit Earth.  Quantum shielding is capable of withstanding that kind of blast, but only the basic structure of the Citadel is quantum shielded, or could be quantum shielded.  QS isn't something that can be extended like a mass effect field.  Either an object is QSed, or it's not.  So unless this is a totally new technology, Shepard's beyond dead.

[TJBartlemus]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

i hate liara...

This might help.  Play Mass Effect 1.  Do the Therum mission dead last.  Be as rude to her as possible and threaten to "drop her ass back in that damned volcano".  

It's theraputic. :innocent:

Really.  I don't really hate any of the characters...other than Allers just for existing. That's it. 

 I also realized what ME3 was missing. A prominant "bad guy". In all good scifi there is a main bad guy to which you focus the attention. Like the Emperor and Darth Vader in Star Wars. (Still raging over Ep. 7) To not have them and just go against the Empire would be boring. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Do I have to take out the Survive List again? I'll do it man.

Edit: Did it.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 03 novembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[ZerebusPrime]

TJBartlemus wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

i hate liara...

This might help.  Play Mass Effect 1.  Do the Therum mission dead last.  Be as rude to her as possible and threaten to "drop her ass back in that damned volcano".  

It's theraputic. :innocent:

Really.  I don't really hate any of the characters...other than Allers just for existing. That's it. 

 I also realized what ME3 was missing. A prominant "bad guy". In all good scifi there is a main bad guy to which you focus the attention. Like the Emperor and Darth Vader in Star Wars. (Still raging over Ep. 7) To not have them and just go against the Empire would be boring. 

I think they tried to make Tech Ninja Kai Leng the personal antagonist, but he needed more development.

[Andromidius]

TJBartlemus wrote...
 I also realized what ME3 was missing. A prominant "bad guy". In all good scifi there is a main bad guy to which you focus the attention. Like the Emperor and Darth Vader in Star Wars. (Still raging over Ep. 7) To not have them and just go against the Empire would be boring. 

The Illusive Man fits the bill.  So would Kei Leng, if he wasn't such a paper tiger.

Though i don't hate TIM.  I pity him, and I'm frustrated that he's working against human interests in such a blind fumbling manner.

Edit: Actually, the bad guy in ME3 is the GODDAMN MISSION JOURNAL.

Yet again my 'perfect' playthrough is ruined because I forgot I need to hand in certain quests before I finish Tuchunka.  So I have the option of going back to a save before I even start on the planet, or giving up on perfection.

Seriously, what the hell.  Apperently people stop needing an Improved Power Grid after the Citadel gets trashed.  Come on!

Modifié par Andromidius, 03 novembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Rifneno]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

i hate liara...

This might help.  Play Mass Effect 1.  Do the Therum mission dead last.  Be as rude to her as possible and threaten to "drop her ass back in that damned volcano".  

It's theraputic. :innocent:

Really.  I don't really hate any of the characters...other than Allers just for existing. That's it. 

 I also realized what ME3 was missing. A prominant "bad guy". In all good scifi there is a main bad guy to which you focus the attention. Like the Emperor and Darth Vader in Star Wars. (Still raging over Ep. 7) To not have them and just go against the Empire would be boring. 

I think they tried to make Tech Ninja Kai Leng the personal antagonist, but he needed more development.

I was going to say "no one takes a cereal thief seriously" but yeah, same basic gist.

[TJBartlemus]

Andromidius wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...
 I also realized what ME3 was missing. A prominant "bad guy". In all good scifi there is a main bad guy to which you focus the attention. Like the Emperor and Darth Vader in Star Wars. (Still raging over Ep. 7) To not have them and just go against the Empire would be boring. 

The Illusive Man fits the bill.  So would Kei Leng, if he wasn't such a paper tiger.

Though i don't hate TIM.  I pity him, and I'm frustrated that he's working against human interests in such a blind fumbling manner.

WRONG. The main "bad guy" was established in ME2, the emperor of the Mass Effect series. Harbinger. All we are going against in ME3 are pawns to the main bad guy. The amazing lack of Harbinger is surprising. It's like not having Darth Vader make an appearance in episode 6. 

WHYYYYYY BIOWARE?!?!?!?!

[TJBartlemus]

Only a short visit. I bid you all a good night!!!

[Andromidius]

TJBartlemus wrote...
WRONG. The main "bad guy" was established in ME2, the emperor of the Mass Effect series. Harbinger. All we are going against in ME3 are pawns to the main bad guy. The amazing lack of Harbinger is surprising. It's like not having Darth Vader make an appearance in episode 6. 

WHYYYYYY BIOWARE?!?!?!?!

No, that's who it should have been.  Apperently we're supposed to believe Harbinger is an innocent little snowflake who needs us to end his grudging murderspree on the Galaxy.

Yeah, not buying it.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...
WRONG. The main "bad guy" was established in ME2, the emperor of the Mass Effect series. Harbinger. All we are going against in ME3 are pawns to the main bad guy. The amazing lack of Harbinger is surprising. It's like not having Darth Vader make an appearance in episode 6. 

WHYYYYYY BIOWARE?!?!?!?!

No, that's who it should have been.  Apperently we're supposed to believe Harbinger is an innocent little snowflake who needs us to end his grudging murderspree on the Galaxy.

Yeah, not buying it.

I don't know... if Harbinger wants to make himself out to be the victim, I'm happy to help make him one.

[BleedingUranium]

GUYS! I performed an experiment just now!

My dad's good with storys, themes, and all the stuff that makes us ITers good at what we do. He knows nothing about IT, but I gave him no context anyway. Not what there were from, not track names; nothing. I played him the following four tracks, and asked him to say outloud everything he felt and thought of when listening to the music.

Synthesis
Factual
What comes next?
Storytelling
Progress
Convergence
Coming together with a plan
Exploring
Looking
Analyzing
Awe
Approaching a terminus
Coming to an end

Control
Apprehension
Concern
Uncertainty
Anticipation
Fear
Unknown
Tension

Refuse
Aftermath
Loss
Reflection
Death
Realization
What now?
Remembering
Determination

Destroy
Hope
New beginning
Looking ahead
Colleagues
Starting anew

Discuss!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 novembre 2012 - 08:03 .

[hukbum]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I played him the following four tracks, and asked him to say outloud everything he felt and thought of when listening to the music.

He came up with that list of words by listening to the songs only?
Interesting words he listed there for control ... concern, fear, tension - not really something I'd call positive.

That's why I'm asking if he really doesn't know anything about the game itself and/or the endings. Because if yes - this is ... hmm ... odd? weird?

I have to says that I like this topic. Always something new and interesting. Now I will continue reading. Still have some pages to go

[BansheeOwnage]

hukbum wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I played him the following four tracks, and asked him to say outloud everything he felt and thought of when listening to the music.

He came up with that list of words by listening to the songs only?
Interesting words he listed there for control ... concern, fear, tension - not really something I'd call positive.

That's why I'm asking if he really doesn't know anything about the game itself and/or the endings. Because if yes - this is ... hmm ... odd? weird?

I have to says that I like this topic. Always something new and interesting. Now I will continue reading. Still have some pages to go

Yes. He had no context. Cool huh?

Top!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 novembre 2012 - 08:36 .