IsaacShep wrote...
If it has different core values then of course the nature of the ending changes because Shep-AI shapes it.Davik Kang wrote...
The new AI may have different initial core values, but the nature of the ending sin't really different imo.
But she does so while having a badass reaper voice. Who wouldn't want that?Rifneno wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
If it has different core values then of course the nature of the ending changes because Shep-AI shapes it.Davik Kang wrote...
The new AI may have different initial core values, but the nature of the ending sin't really different imo.
Well it's not like Shepbinger starts ranting about immortality and being beyond organic comprehension like Sovereign while referring to itself as "something greater" like Harbinger.
Oh no wait, yes he does.
I said a similar thing to Xil in another threadRifneno wrote...
Well it's not like Shepbinger starts ranting about immortality and being beyond organic comprehension like Sovereign while referring to itself as "something greater" like Harbinger.
Oh no wait, yes he does.
Davik Kang wrote...
I see your point. I just think that the idea of galactic domination, as proposed by the Control ending, has a menacing undertone. I think there's a reason Shepard is transformed into an AI, refers to the organic Shepard in the third person, and begins with words like "Immortal, Infinite..." etc. But as you say: it's just my opinion. I don't have conclusive evidence regarding what will actually happen.Xilizhra wrote...
Shepard, even as an AI, is still the character of the player; note how even the epilogue is changed by the player's actions during the game. Whether Shepard goes berserk later on is up to the individual Control choosers. Saying that the cycle would restart is like saying that a Destroy Shepard would inevitably cheat on Liara; it's not up to you to say.
I take offense to that and declare you humans are all the same. A blight on galactic purity! A hand of the reapers!MegumiAzusa wrote...
If my Shep would be Renegade there wouldn't be any Batarians left :3
Davik Kang wrote...
As always, you fail to grasp the obvious. IT isn't just a thread or the people behind it. IT is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.estebanus wrote...
Wasn't that during the time where there were more indoctrinationists on the BSN than literalists? I haven't seen many articles mentioning the IT in them since then.Well that is rife on BSN and the Internet and in life in general (and to be fair it does pop up in this thread from time to time too...)BatmanTurian wrote...
I believe that's called confirmation bias and denial?
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(wipes away man tear).
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I can live with that :3ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
I take offense to that and declare you humans are all the same. A blight on galactic purity! A hand of the reapers!MegumiAzusa wrote...
If my Shep would be Renegade there wouldn't be any Batarians left :3
Logic has nothing to do with emotions.Eryri wrote...
I'm not the first person to say this regarding control, but I think it's worth repeating; it's as though Frodo suddenly decided to wield the One Ring himself, usurp Sauron, take mental control over all the Orcs and then helpfully order them to go and rebuild Minas Tirith.
I think most people's reaction if that had actually happened in LotR would be a mixture of WTF! and Ewww!
It's just that thematically discordant and unsettling. Particularly taking control of the Orcs (/Reapers). Yes they were hideously unsympathetic, but the idea of the hero enslaving them and using them as tools would be repugnant to most people.
Personally I'm of the (admittedly instinctive and not terribly original), opinion that Power is morally corrosive. Concentrating too much of it in one person's hands is one of the worst thing you can do to them, and a recipe for disaster.
Plus, Shepard sounds so horribly sad and lonely even in Paragon control. Assuming a literal viewpoint, I'd actually rather imagine that nothing human or emotional remains in this new entity. The thought of my Shep. alone forever, watching everyone and everything he loved eventually die and pass away is just ...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I can live with that :3ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
I take offense to that and declare you humans are all the same. A blight on galactic purity! A hand of the reapers!MegumiAzusa wrote...
If my Shep would be Renegade there wouldn't be any Batarians left :3
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spotlessvoid wrote...
And there is always this
MegumiAzusa wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
And there is always this
MegumiAzusa wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
And there is always this
demersel wrote...
And the EC's "A future that many will never see" is direct reprise of ME1's "Victory" with a liitle of "From the Wreckage" mixed in(very very little).
Or maybe just because of the many casualties? The titles of the tracks are all quotes from the respective endings...CmdrShep80 wrote...
demersel wrote...
And the EC's "A future that many will never see" is direct reprise of ME1's "Victory" with a liitle of "From the Wreckage" mixed in(very very little).
its very interesting that the title of that track like I've said before is tied to the destroy ending. Which ending did most people pick again? If you know then you know that the title makes total sense
I fully agree on this one with you.ZerebusPrime wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
IMHO, IT can be separated from the literal outcomes. IT greatly implies that Destroy high EMS is the right way to go, but... ..........it's equally possible that Shepard's brain is just so much mush after any or all of the endings. Indoctrination is a damaging process. If what we see at the end of the game is a massive indoctrinated hallucination, then none of it bodes well for Shepard. Shepard could "survive" in Destroy high EMS but be left comatose.
EDIT: I was going somewhere with this, but I've missed the mark. By the time I straighten it out in my head, the thread'll probably be well past this post. Nevertheless...
I guess what I was trying to say is that your final decision might not actually matter all that much. To me Indoctrination Theory simply states that Shepard is being indoctrinated across the whole of ME3 (possibly a bit in ME2, as well) and that the ending is at least 60% in his head (legal standard, kind of like how bread can't contain bug parts past a certain percentage of its volume) via hallucination, hypnosis, or both. Regardless of your choice at the end, if what we see in the ending is an illusion then we don't know what happens to Shepard's physical body (breath scene is good, but his mind could still be so much chopped up spaghetti after the mental confrontation with the childlike embodiment of all Reapers).
That said, I can't support Destroy as the sole right decision anymore because the process of Refusal very much sounds like resisting indoctrination even if we can't get the breath scene that way. As such, I remain split between Destroy and Refuse.
Control and Synthesis are still crazy, though.
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masster blaster wrote...
Hello people it's all about will power. Galatic readiness is Shepards readiness. The War Assets is Shepard's willpower.
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ZerebusPrime wrote...
The missing link: why a child?
I was thinking about cut version of David Anderson's "you did good" talk. In this conversation, Anderson asks Shepard if he ever thought about starting a family and tells him that not having a family was one of his greatest regrets in life. Here in the IT thread, though, we see Anderson in this sequence not as himself but rather as Shepard's unspoiled "good" side, in which case this conversation should have raised all sorts of red flags. If Shepard's conscience regrets not having a family, then it means that deep down Shepard regrets not having a family. And therein was the kink in his mental armor that the Reapers first seeped through, creating the apparition of the child playing outside Shepard's window. The Reapers then sought to widen the gap by showing the kid get vaporized, and then again and again with successive dreams. Finally, they manage to crack Shepard after his failure on Thessia. After that, we start seeing progressively weirder things in Shepard's waking hours, starting from the Cerberus HQ mission and culminating in the Decision Chamber.
Or, from a more literal point of view, it could have simply implied that Anderson had been seeing visions of children, too, which would point towards his own indoctrination.
starlitegirlx wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
The missing link: why a child?
I was thinking about cut version of David Anderson's "you did good" talk. In this conversation, Anderson asks Shepard if he ever thought about starting a family and tells him that not having a family was one of his greatest regrets in life. Here in the IT thread, though, we see Anderson in this sequence not as himself but rather as Shepard's unspoiled "good" side, in which case this conversation should have raised all sorts of red flags. If Shepard's conscience regrets not having a family, then it means that deep down Shepard regrets not having a family. And therein was the kink in his mental armor that the Reapers first seeped through, creating the apparition of the child playing outside Shepard's window. The Reapers then sought to widen the gap by showing the kid get vaporized, and then again and again with successive dreams. Finally, they manage to crack Shepard after his failure on Thessia. After that, we start seeing progressively weirder things in Shepard's waking hours, starting from the Cerberus HQ mission and culminating in the Decision Chamber.
Or, from a more literal point of view, it could have simply implied that Anderson had been seeing visions of children, too, which would point towards his own indoctrination.
Where is this converation about having a family? I've never come across that in game.
spotlessvoid wrote...
Hey Ax. I was just about to post that, then I felt the slightest breeze and thought A Ninja is here
Sure enough.
AxStapleton wrote...
starlitegirlx wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
The missing link: why a child?
I was thinking about cut version of David Anderson's "you did good" talk. In this conversation, Anderson asks Shepard if he ever thought about starting a family and tells him that not having a family was one of his greatest regrets in life. Here in the IT thread, though, we see Anderson in this sequence not as himself but rather as Shepard's unspoiled "good" side, in which case this conversation should have raised all sorts of red flags. If Shepard's conscience regrets not having a family, then it means that deep down Shepard regrets not having a family. And therein was the kink in his mental armor that the Reapers first seeped through, creating the apparition of the child playing outside Shepard's window. The Reapers then sought to widen the gap by showing the kid get vaporized, and then again and again with successive dreams. Finally, they manage to crack Shepard after his failure on Thessia. After that, we start seeing progressively weirder things in Shepard's waking hours, starting from the Cerberus HQ mission and culminating in the Decision Chamber.
Or, from a more literal point of view, it could have simply implied that Anderson had been seeing visions of children, too, which would point towards his own indoctrination.
Where is this converation about having a family? I've never come across that in game.
Its cut dialogue which got cut out from the final conversation with Anderson.
Here.
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