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[401 Kill]

I posted something similar, but I have cleaned it up a bit:

Have you ever read "An Occurance At Owl Creek Bridge"? I think it relates very nicely to the situation here.

A short summary: the main character Farquhar is being hung for a plot to help the confederates in the Civil War. When he is hung, the rope breaks and he attempts to escape. You follow his journey back home, and when he finally gets there it fades to black. He was killed from the hanging, his escape and happy reunion with his wife never happened.  It was an illusion that the reader believed happened until the end.

While the story progressed through his "escape", in reality, he was dead. The author was writing using the realism style of writing, and "making fun" of romanticism writing (The Hero's journey). The author tells the reader many times that the main character is dead, yet the reader will still route for him to escape because of his backstory. "He is the main character, he's got to escape! Go Farquhar!" I thought this related quite nicely to the endings, you see how they all play out, but in reality, Shepard is still in the rubble. "Our entire force was decimated.". Yet we are shown Shepard rising up, and moving forward, and Anderson on the Citadel too. "Our Hero is not done yet, he is invincible!".

The game, and series, have told us that if you remain in close proximity to Reaper Artifacts, you will become indoctrinated. Another fact is that no single mind will be immune to indoctrination. The only reason the Rachni Queen, and the people of Feros' Zhu's Hope colony resisted is because of the "link" between multiple minds that were shared. These links protected them. Currently, Shepard does not have these links. The dreams, the identity crisis, "Struggle if you wish Shepard, your mind will be mine." tell the player that the Reapers want to indoctrinate Shepard, and Shepard is under an influence of indoctrination but still resisting. A lot of players however, will miss these signs if they are not paying attention, seeing as the story will continue to progress. Even the weirdness after Shepard is "hit" by Harbinger's beam will be over-looked, because the story will progress. 
When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 03 novembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Do you think they'll even use Halo 4 for RvB?

I sure hope not. From what I've seen of Halo 4 I dont like the look as much as 3.

Agreed. I'm glad they switched back from Reach to 3 and decided to use Reach for Alpha's head.

Top.

They did a video recently in Halo 4. Might be because they used an alpha version of the game or something, but the characters look like action figures more than video game characters.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Do you think they'll even use Halo 4 for RvB?

I sure hope not. From what I've seen of Halo 4 I dont like the look as much as 3.

Agreed. I'm glad they switched back from Reach to 3 and decided to use Reach for Alpha's head.

Top.

They did a video recently in Halo 4. Might be because they used an alpha version of the game or something, but the characters look like action figures more than video game characters.

The earliest Halo 3 videos had that look too. 4 looks better than Reach, at least.

EDIT: I don't think we'll have to worry about it looking bad

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 novembre 2012 - 10:56 .

[BatmanTurian]

SwobyJ wrote...

Personal Log: Damini Sengupta

Attempts are ongoing at figuring out what the end product of our research was meant for. While it is obvious that the delivery system was to be implant-reliant, with evident neurological applications, many questions remain as of yet unanswered. The loss of Dr. Horace Armstrong in particular is hindering our efforts to speedily reconstruct the nature of the Illusive Man's goals. We have several parts of the whole, which lead us to chilling conclusions. But we are nowhere near figuring out what said whole might be - and that is what scares me the most.


Davik in particular should read this.

My money is on a new human reaper that TIM wants to control being built at Omega.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 novembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Femshep is in Halo 4!

And Harbinger!

Awesome!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 novembre 2012 - 10:57 .

[BatmanTurian]

401 Kill wrote...

I posted something similar, but I have cleaned it up a bit:

Have you ever read "An Occurance At Owl Creek Bridge"? I think it relates very nicely to the situation here.

A short summary: the main character Farquhar is being hung for a plot to help the confederates in the Civil War. When he is hung, the rope breaks and he attempts to escape. You follow his journey back home, and when he finally gets there it fades to black. He was killed from the hanging, his escape and happy reunion with his wife never happened.  It was an illusion that the reader believed happened until the end.

While the story progressed through his "escape", in reality, he was dead. The author was writing using the realism style of writing, and "making fun" of romanticism writing (The Hero's journey). The author tells the reader many times that the main character is dead, yet the reader will still route for him to escape because of his backstory. "He is the main character, he's got to escape! Go Farquhar!" I thought this related quite nicely to the endings, you see how they all play out, but in reality, Shepard is still in the rubble. "Our entire force was decimated.". Yet we are shown Shepard rising up, and moving forward, and Anderson on the Citadel too. "Our Hero is not done yet, he is invincible!".

The game, and series, have told us that if you remain in close proximity to Reaper Artifacts, you will become indoctrinated. Another fact is that no single mind will be immune to indoctrination. The only reason the Rachni Queen, and the people of Feros' Zhu's Hope colony resisted is because of the "link" between multiple minds that were shared. These links protected them. Currently, Shepard does not have these links. The dreams, the identity crisis, "Struggle if you wish Shepard, your mind will be mine." tell the player that the Reapers want to indoctrinate Shepard, and Shepard is under an influence of indoctrination but still resisting. A lot of players however, will miss these signs if they are not paying attention, seeing as the story will continue to progress. Even the weirdness after Shepard is "hit" by Harbinger's beam will be over-looked, because the story will progress. 
When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Unless Harbinger purposely missed of course.

" Serve us" BZZZZZT!

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Do you think they'll even use Halo 4 for RvB?

I sure hope not. From what I've seen of Halo 4 I dont like the look as much as 3.

Agreed. I'm glad they switched back from Reach to 3 and decided to use Reach for Alpha's head.

Top.

They did a video recently in Halo 4. Might be because they used an alpha version of the game or something, but the characters look like action figures more than video game characters.

They're starting to reach the limit of console and pc tech, so things are starting to fall into uncanny valley territory.

[smokingotter1]

BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

snip*

When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Unless Harbinger purposely missed of course.

" Serve us" BZZZZZT!

Even if he missed and Shepard was still kind of alive you'd think Harbinger would finish vaporize him just to be sure.
Harbinger: "Ok I think I got him, he looks dead. Yeah, close enough. TGIF!" (Harbinger heads off to join the other reapers for a kegger)

Modifié par smokingotter1, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[Home run MF]

SwobyJ wrote...

Personal Log: Damini Sengupta

Attempts are ongoing at figuring out what the end product of our research was meant for. While it is obvious that the delivery system was to be implant-reliant, with evident neurological applications, many questions remain as of yet unanswered. The loss of Dr. Horace Armstrong in particular is hindering our efforts to speedily reconstruct the nature of the Illusive Man's goals. We have several parts of the whole, which lead us to chilling conclusions. But we are nowhere near figuring out what said whole might be - and that is what scares me the most.


Davik in particular should read this.

Shepard: So what's this work of yours that Cerberus wants so badly?

Dr. Cole: It's based on tech gathered from the Collectors. In essence, it involves dissecting Reaper-to-Collector communications. Dr. Horace Armstrong and I were working on a practical human application, an implant of sorts. Once he'd completed his component and moved on to less "valuable" work, he disappeared.

Modifié par Home run MF, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:08 .

[BatmanTurian]

smokingotter1 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

snip*

When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Unless Harbinger purposely missed of course.

" Serve us" BZZZZZT!

Even if he missed and Shepard was still kind of alive you'd think Harbinger would finish vaporize him just to be sure.
Harbinger: "Ok I think I got him, he looks dead. Yeah, close enough. TGIF!" (Harbinger heads off to join the other reapers for a kegger)

I think Harbinger leaving was the moment, way before the EC, when I said " Bullsh*t!" to my t.v. out loud. It startled my wife, who was reading on the couch next to me.

[Hrothdane]

smokingotter1 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

snip*

When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Unless Harbinger purposely missed of course.

" Serve us" BZZZZZT!

Even if he missed and Shepard was still kind of alive you'd think Harbinger would finish vaporize him just to be sure.
Harbinger: "Ok I think I got him, he looks dead. Yeah, close enough. TGIF!" (Harbinger heads off to join the other reapers for a kegger)

I agree. Harbinger establishing character moment is mercilessly shooting down the Normandy without warning and then doubling back to make sure it is destroyed. He then attempts to retreive Shepard's body to guarantee that Shepard is dead.

Harbinger has an entry under "dangerously genre savvy" on tvtropes for a reason.

[BatmanTurian]

Home run MF wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Personal Log: Damini Sengupta

Attempts are ongoing at figuring out what the end product of our research was meant for. While it is obvious that the delivery system was to be implant-reliant, with evident neurological applications, many questions remain as of yet unanswered. The loss of Dr. Horace Armstrong in particular is hindering our efforts to speedily reconstruct the nature of the Illusive Man's goals. We have several parts of the whole, which lead us to chilling conclusions. But we are nowhere near figuring out what said whole might be - and that is what scares me the most.


Davik in particular should read this.

Shepard: So what's this work of yours that Cerberus wants so badly?

Dr. Cole: It's based on tech gathered from the Collectors. In essence, it involves dissecting Reaper-to-Collector communications. Dr. Horace Armstrong and I were working on a practical human application, an implant of sorts. Once he'd completed his component and moved on to less "valuable" work, he disappeared.

So, the tech that created the current implanted Cerberus baddies?

[smokingotter1]

BatmanTurian wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

snip*

When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Unless Harbinger purposely missed of course.

" Serve us" BZZZZZT!

Even if he missed and Shepard was still kind of alive you'd think Harbinger would finish vaporize him just to be sure.
Harbinger: "Ok I think I got him, he looks dead. Yeah, close enough. TGIF!" (Harbinger heads off to join the other reapers for a kegger)

I think Harbinger leaving was the moment, way before the EC, when I said " Bullsh*t!" to my t.v. out loud. It startled my wife, who was reading on the couch next to me.

I did some computer analysis. Enhance! Take a look at this totally 100% undoctored photo. Circled the evidence.


Now if we can only find out if Anderson was born in London we'll have a rock solid case.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[BatmanTurian]

smokingotter1 wrote...

I did some computer analysis. Enhance! Take a look at this totally 100% undoctored photo. Circled the evidence.


Now if we can only find out if Anderson was born in London we'll have a rock solid case.

He went to go have a beer. Now that explains everything.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:14 .

[smokingotter1]

BatmanTurian wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

I did some computer analysis. Enhance! Take a look at this totally 100% undoctored photo. Circled the evidence.

snip*
Now if we can only find out if Anderson was born in London we'll have a rock solid case.

He went to go have a beer. Now that explains everything.

And the crucible is just a device that notifies the cops so Harbinger gets a DUI.. reapers defeated.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

snip*

When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Unless Harbinger purposely missed of course.

" Serve us" BZZZZZT!

Even if he missed and Shepard was still kind of alive you'd think Harbinger would finish vaporize him just to be sure.
Harbinger: "Ok I think I got him, he looks dead. Yeah, close enough. TGIF!" (Harbinger heads off to join the other reapers for a kegger)

I agree. Harbinger establishing character moment is mercilessly shooting down the Normandy without warning and then doubling back to make sure it is destroyed. He then attempts to retreive Shepard's body to guarantee that Shepard is dead.

Harbinger has an entry under "dangerously genre savvy" on tvtropes for a reason.

Exactly, just like he did the first time, before he had the idea to PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY.

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

I did some computer analysis. Enhance! Take a look at this totally 100% undoctored photo. Circled the evidence.

snip*
Now if we can only find out if Anderson was born in London we'll have a rock solid case.

He went to go have a beer. Now that explains everything.

And the crucible is just a device that notifies the cops so Harbinger gets a DUI.. reapers defeated.

I don't think I want to meet whoever polices the reapers...

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

snip*

When you look back on it, it seems clear that the Reapers are trying to influence Shepard, just like how it becomes clear that Farquhar was dead from the hanging.  If Shepard was actually hit by Harbingers beam, he would be dead, there is no way around this.

Unless Harbinger purposely missed of course.

" Serve us" BZZZZZT!

Even if he missed and Shepard was still kind of alive you'd think Harbinger would finish vaporize him just to be sure.
Harbinger: "Ok I think I got him, he looks dead. Yeah, close enough. TGIF!" (Harbinger heads off to join the other reapers for a kegger)

I agree. Harbinger establishing character moment is mercilessly shooting down the Normandy without warning and then doubling back to make sure it is destroyed. He then attempts to retreive Shepard's body to guarantee that Shepard is dead.

Harbinger has an entry under "dangerously genre savvy" on tvtropes for a reason.

Exactly, just like he did the first time, before he had the idea to PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY.

Harbinger confirmed for pervert.

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

Nice catch, but I'm talking more about symbolism by the writers.

Davik was writing earlier that the truth of the ending might just be that:
-Shepard is dying in rubble
-The Crucible was never used (or was it? dunno)
-Illusive Man is still alive (this part is more my thoughts)
-the galaxy's forced are all gathered together on ONE spot, in a trap

It's a very dire ending, but it would be covered up by the endings Bioware gave us, especially with Extended Cut (extended DREAM).

The 'several parts of the whole' are our puzzle pieces, the biggest ones being the current and upcoming ME3 DLC.

"But we are nowhere near figuring out what said whole might be - and that is what scares me the most."

Not sure which is worse: Literal endings, or that nihilistic IT ending.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[CmdrShep80]

^ +1 to SwoobyJ

[BatmanTurian]

SwobyJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Personal Log: Damini Sengupta

Attempts are ongoing at figuring out what the end product of our research was meant for. While it is obvious that the delivery system was to be implant-reliant, with evident neurological applications, many questions remain as of yet unanswered. The loss of Dr. Horace Armstrong in particular is hindering our efforts to speedily reconstruct the nature of the Illusive Man's goals. We have several parts of the whole, which lead us to chilling conclusions. But we are nowhere near figuring out what said whole might be - and that is what scares me the most.


Davik in particular should read this.

My money is on a new human reaper that TIM wants to control being built at Omega.

Nice catch, but I'm talking more about symbolism by the writers.

Davik was writing earlier that the truth of the ending might just be that:
-Shepard is dying in rubble
-The Crucible was never used (or was it? dunno)
-Illusive Man is still alive (this part is more my thoughts)
-the galaxy's forced are all gathered together on ONE spot, in a trap

It's a very dire ending, but it would be covered up by the endings Bioware gave us, especially with Extended Cut (extended DREAM).

The 'several parts of the whole' are our puzzle pieces, the biggest ones being the current and upcoming ME3 DLC.

"But we are nowhere near figuring out what said whole might be - and that is what scares me the most."

Jade's puzzle theory + IT may be how it's all actually going down.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:25 .