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[byne]

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

[Restrider]

starlitegirlx wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

The missing link: why a child?

I was thinking about cut version of David Anderson's "you did good" talk. In this conversation, Anderson asks Shepard if he ever thought about starting a family and tells him that not having a family was one of his greatest regrets in life. Here in the IT thread, though, we see Anderson in this sequence not as himself but rather as Shepard's unspoiled "good" side, in which case this conversation should have raised all sorts of red flags. If Shepard's conscience regrets not having a family, then it means that deep down Shepard regrets not having a family. And therein was the kink in his mental armor that the Reapers first seeped through, creating the apparition of the child playing outside Shepard's window. The Reapers then sought to widen the gap by showing the kid get vaporized, and then again and again with successive dreams. Finally, they manage to crack Shepard after his failure on Thessia. After that, we start seeing progressively weirder things in Shepard's waking hours, starting from the Cerberus HQ mission and culminating in the Decision Chamber.

Or, from a more literal point of view, it could have simply implied that Anderson had been seeing visions of children, too, which would point towards his own indoctrination.

Where is this converation about having a family? I've never come across that in game.

As far as I know, it shows up, when you have no LI.

[byne]

Restrider wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Where is this converation about having a family? I've never come across that in game.

As far as I know, it shows up, when you have no LI.

Incorrect. It was cut. It doesnt appear in the actual game at all.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

It is quite puzzling.

[BatmanTurian]

SwobyJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade's puzzle theory + IT may be how it's all actually going down.

I feel its a general mixture of:

-IT
-Puzzle
-Deception
-Waking Nightmare

With some incorrect details in each of them. The Hackett theory I've talked about before is.. well, I don't think hes actually indoctrinated, but I do think that the Alliance is NOT as pure as we are lead to believe in ME3. It's just part of the narrative that we get to see them in a better light... for now.

I'm not sure how we would combine them all, like some kind of voltron reject or a reaper.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:33 .

[Home run MF]

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

That only happens if your Shepard is Paragon.
If renegade he says this: Lies are easy to detect. But you seem to be telling the truth, Commander. For now.

[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

FFZero wrote...

I'm not sure whether it was cut or if you have to meet certain parameters, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Shepard can’t have romanced anyone throughout the series to get it. All I know is I’ve never seen it in game, which is a good thing or I would’ve been crying even more at that point.

I guess nothing but a rumor. Had no romance while using the non import Shep and it was just the standard conversation.

I don't know, but I had that conversation during an EC run with a Shep without LI. I always thought this was alluding to Shepard having no LI.

[BatmanTurian]

SwobyJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

I think Bioware writes it where:

-Shepard consciously wants Destroy
-*Always wonders* about Control (but doesn't let himself believe it can/will happen, most of the time)
-Wishes for Synthesis, at least in many playthrough

When you read between the lines. That's why the Catalyst choices are both so jarring, yet not totally unexpected. We DO realize that Shepard does sometimes ask about how controlling the Reapers is possible, even as he consciously objects to and rejects the notion.

And his friendship and openness (in most playthroughs) to synthetics and AI is a sign that in some part of him, he wishes a form of synthesis (the kind in the Synthesis ending dream, ahem) would be possible.

Interesting theory. Gives ammunition to people like Ieldra, Seival, and HYR though.

[byne]

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

That only happens if your Shepard is Paragon.
If renegade he says this: Lies are easy to detect. But you seem to be telling the truth, Commander. For now.

I know its paragon only, but even paragons want to destroy the Reapers. Doesnt make sense for it to be a Paragon only thing.

[Humakt83]

BatmanTurian wrote...
 They're starting to reach the limit of console and pc tech, so things are starting to fall into uncanny valley territory.

Console tech? Ages ago. PC tech? No.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

Uh, because he's open to alternatives to destroy?  I mean, the simple fact that it's possible for Shepard to choose something other than Destroy, IT or not, show's that his resolve is weakening.

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade's puzzle theory + IT may be how it's all actually going down.

I hope so. They're in no way incompatible, and the PT is pretty much confirmed to a point. IT is super-likely too.

I'm just glad Halo 4 comes out in 2 days. It's always been my fallback game. That's where my name comes from, after all. I mean, I always end up going back to Halo after playing other games. It is very consistent. I know Halo 4 will have a good ending. And 2 of my favourite characters (Femshep, Harbinger) are in it!

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade's puzzle theory + IT may be how it's all actually going down.

I hope so. They're in no way incompatible, and the PT is pretty much confirmed to a point. IT is super-likely too.

I'm just glad Halo 4 comes out in 2 days. It's always been my fallback game. That's where my name comes from, after all. I mean, I always end up going back to Halo after playing other games. It is very consistent. I know Halo 4 will have a good ending. And 2 of my favourite characters (Femshep, Harbinger) are in it!

I like Halo, but I think the story got ridiculous when it turned out that 100,000 years ago, humans were just as advanced as the Forerunners and were allied with the Prophets. 

[BatmanTurian]

Humakt83 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
 They're starting to reach the limit of console and pc tech, so things are starting to fall into uncanny valley territory.

Console tech? Ages ago. PC tech? No.

I'm talking about physicality. Quantum computing will be the next step, but soon they will reach the limit of physical hardware and microchips.

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

That only happens if your Shepard is Paragon.
If renegade he says this: Lies are easy to detect. But you seem to be telling the truth, Commander. For now.

When is that conversation? I've only played From Ashes once.

"Wipe the reapers from existence"? I like it.

[BatmanTurian]

SwobyJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade's puzzle theory + IT may be how it's all actually going down.

I feel its a general mixture of:

-IT
-Puzzle
-Deception
-Waking Nightmare

With some incorrect details in each of them. The Hackett theory I've talked about before is.. well, I don't think hes actually indoctrinated, but I do think that the Alliance is NOT as pure as we are lead to believe in ME3. It's just part of the narrative that we get to see them in a better light... for now.

I'm not sure how we would combine them all, like some kind of voltron reject or a reaper.

IT --> Indoctrination/enthrallment/etc is used.
Puzzle --> Bioware has even openly admitted to using the DLC as "puzzle pieces" to the story
Deception --> The Catalyst is lying
Waking Nightmare --> At least part of the ending is happening in a different form, in the 'real' world, and Shepard may be walking toward the big beam in the real London as well, if you pick Synthesis

Makes sense. What would we call this over-arching theory?

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade's puzzle theory + IT may be how it's all actually going down.

I hope so. They're in no way incompatible, and the PT is pretty much confirmed to a point. IT is super-likely too.

I'm just glad Halo 4 comes out in 2 days. It's always been my fallback game. That's where my name comes from, after all. I mean, I always end up going back to Halo after playing other games. It is very consistent. I know Halo 4 will have a good ending. And 2 of my favourite characters (Femshep, Harbinger) are in it!

I like Halo, but I think the story got ridiculous when it turned out that 100,000 years ago, humans were just as advanced as the Forerunners and were allied with the Prophets. 

As far as I understand it, Humans ARE the Forerunners.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

That only happens if your Shepard is Paragon.
If renegade he says this: Lies are easy to detect. But you seem to be telling the truth, Commander. For now.

When is that conversation? I've only played From Ashes once.

"Wipe the reapers from existence"? I like it.

Its right after you pick Javik up, during the conversation with him and Liara. Its the second choice you have when talking to him. Pick the renegade option as a paragon.

[Home run MF]

byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard: The goal of  this ship is to wipe the Reapers from existence.
Javik: But how far are you willing to go to achieve that goal? I do not believe you commander. Lying is a biological marker. There is doubt behind your words.

This conversation always stands out to me. Why would there be doubt behind Shepard's words?

That only happens if your Shepard is Paragon.
If renegade he says this: Lies are easy to detect. But you seem to be telling the truth, Commander. For now.

I know its paragon only, but even paragons want to destroy the Reapers. Doesnt make sense for it to be a Paragon only thing.

Foreshadowing the ending maybe? Victory at any cost always seemed more renegade during the games.
Doomsday and I talked about this the other day. He said a paragon Shepard is more empathic and that could be a way in for indoctrination. He pointed out that during the Catalyst conversation the paragon options were more dubious.

Modifié par Home run MF, 03 novembre 2012 - 11:57 .