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[Andromidius]

[quote]IsaacShep wrote...

[quote]Andromidius wrote...

That the EC was in responce to fan outrage, and its purely to shut people up.[/quote]Yeah hi, by delaying paid DLC they're decreasing the $$$ they will get from it (DLC sales go down as obviously the interest goes down thoroughout months after the game is released), they don't earn anything from EC AND they spent EA's money during that time. What an amazing business plan to release an expansion to a fake ending instead of immediately developing and releasing the real ending that would obviously be 10 time better, right?[/quote]
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Hey, yeah.  There's this thing called Multiplayer.  People spend money on something called 'micro transactions'.  This is something EA love to do.  By keeping the fans happy, they are more likely to buy these micro transactions, which cost EA/Bioware nothing at all.  Glad I could clear that up for you, thanks, bye.

[BatmanTurian]

CanadianGunshy wrote...

A few things are standing out to me at the moment:

First off - the DLCs

The DLCs have been adding new weapons, areas, enemies, for multiplayer.

The Multiplayer game is still pretty much the same (10 Waves and 1 Pickup) with little variety other then a change of venu and what you are shooting at.

(1)The Single Player DLC has been alot (and I mean alot) of anti-IT. Leviathan was basically you getting shipped back to the "beginning" to the race before the reapers that says "Yes, it is about AI vs Synthetics. (No mention of Dark Energy) Yes we wanted to control. Yes we wanted to destroy. Yes it is all done by an AI. It will choose a form to communicate with you... etc etc etc"

(2)The amount of time and resources EA and Bioware have put into defuncting the IT and making the ending they had more player acceptable, they could have funded a new game. What does that tell us?

Either they want the players to be happy so they will buy more ME franchise matierial later on.

OR they are milking the red herring for all it is worth.

The multiplayer orients around promoting classes and "Unique named" characters to the front lines of the Single player campaign. The odd thing is, I have seen this have no effect in the single player campaign except the increase to a number. Why the unique names? They arn't shown on your avatar while playing multiplayer...

My guess (and hope) is that the IT theory is true, and they are aiming to make an ending that involves the results of the multiplayer fanbase. Maybe in a years time we get to see our multiplayer characters assist us on the final push on earth. Maybe it will be squads taking down reapers in a giant online ME Raid to discover the "Truth".

Or maybe the ending is just what they have made it to be... I have high hopes.

(1) this is false. Leviathan heavily supports IT. Harbinger is made of Leviathans, making it highly likely that he is messing with your head at the end.

(2) EA cut their development time, so now they are putting what would have been in the game as DLC. Either that, or this is a very effective milking scheme.

[Home run MF]

 Regarding that Javik line. There are what I assume are cut variations, bacause I haven't been able to trigger them.

Your words do not match your actions. Compassion has weakened you. It will destroy you.
or
There is hope for you. Compassion has not clouded your judgment. Yet.

[shepskisaac]

Andromidius wrote...

1/ They are paid regardless, so long as their contract lasts.  Its not commission work.

The money for contracts doesn't come from nowhere. EA has constant revenue plans that add up to the company's profit and 6 months after the game's release with no paid-DLC thanks to EC is not exactly great news for them.

Andromidius wrote...

2/ Multiplayer.

Funds free MP DLC.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You fundamentally don't understand that just because there might be illusory elements doesn't mean the ending is irrelevant, much like the Harry Potter series.

It doesn't matter if the illusion had great message and all. If it was an illusion from Harby's beam, it means that TIM & Reapers are still alive, the war is not over at all and the story hasn't finished. The game had no ending.

Yes. That's exactly what we're all saying.

Thats not what I'm saying. Ending on a cliffhanger is still an ending, whether you like it or not.

Assassin's Creed does this with every ending and that's just one game series. Halo does this too.

[Andromidius]

I'm done feeding you. You have zero grasp of business. Someone else can take over.

[BatmanTurian]

IsaacShep wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

1/ They are paid regardless, so long as their contract lasts.  Its not commission work.

The money for contracts doesn't come from nowhere. EA has constant revenue plans that add up to the company's profit and 6 months after the game's release with no paid-DLC thanks to EC is not exactly great news for them.

Andromidius wrote...

2/ Multiplayer.

Funds free MP DLC.

And EA has more than just the Mass Effect series. Also, Mass Effect 3 sold very, very well initially. Your money argument is pretty much a straw man.

[shepskisaac]

Even cliffhanger endings have a construct. "Harby shoots Shep -> story ends" has no construct.

[shepskisaac]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Your money argument is pretty much a straw man.

We're talking Electronic Arts. Money argument is the ultimate one here.

[Hrothdane]

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Your money argument is pretty much a straw man.

We're talking Electronic Arts. Money argument is the ultimate one here.

Their share price has dropped a few hundred percent over the last couple years. Their reputation and poor business decisions are catching up with them.

[BatmanTurian]

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Your money argument is pretty much a straw man.

We're talking Electronic Arts. Money argument is the ultimate one here.

And again, they have more than just Mass Effect. Also, a stunning reveal a year after will result in possibly more purchases and ME would become the LOTR of videogames.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You fundamentally don't understand that just because there might be illusory elements doesn't mean the ending is irrelevant, much like the Harry Potter series.

It doesn't matter if the illusion had great message and all. If it was an illusion from Harby's beam, it means that TIM & Reapers are still alive, the war is not over at all and the story hasn't finished. The game had no ending.

Yes. That's exactly what we're all saying.

Thats not what I'm saying. Ending on a cliffhanger is still an ending, whether you like it or not.

But this isn't a proper cliffhanger; a proper cliffhanger finishes it's plot arc. Halo 3 finshes its plot arc, but we didn't know what would happen to Chief floating in space. Mass Effect 2 had a cliffhanger with Shepard and Harbinger having their cross-galaxy staredown, but the immediate plot arc was resolved.

An example of a cliffhanger for ME3 would be: Shepard wakes up, we take back Earth, but still have to kill the Reapers in the rest of the galaxy.

[shepskisaac]

BatmanTurian wrote...

And again, they have more than just Mass Effect.

So? They were losing money for 4 years straight up until last fiscal year despite having more than just Mass Effect. This company tries to squeeze more $$$ at every oppurtunity it can and frankly, they have no other choice, they're barely started making profit after 4 years of huge losses.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also, a stunning reveal a year after will result in possibly more purchases and ME would become the LOTR of videogames.

A stunning reveal a year after will result in more purchases? By the time 90%+ of players already moved on and ME3 is old news? It's already old news with all the new games releasing this fall.

[BatmanTurian]

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And again, they have more than just Mass Effect.

So? They were losing money for 4 years straight up until last fiscal year despite having more than just Mass Effect. This company tries to squeeze more $$$ at every oppurtunity it can and frankly, they have no other choice, they're barely started making profit after 4 years of huge losses.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also, a stunning reveal a year after will result in possibly more purchases and ME would become the LOTR of videogames.

A stunning reveal a year after will result in more purchases? By the time 90%+ of players already moved on and ME3 is old news? It's already old news with all the new games releasing this fall.

Well since you disagree, there seems to be no reason for you to be here discussing this with us, unless you are under the mistaken and condescending notion that you want to " save us from ourselves." If you really do think there's nothing to this, then I suppose you shouldn't be wasting your time with us, yes?

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Your money argument is pretty much a straw man.

We're talking Electronic Arts. Money argument is the ultimate one here.

And again, they have more than just Mass Effect. Also, a stunning reveal a year after will result in possibly more purchases and ME would become the LOTR of videogames.

Exactly. Right now both literalists and ITers aresn't really looking forward to ME4, but with a huge cool reveal, well, that'll make some hype for sure!

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Your money argument is pretty much a straw man.

We're talking Electronic Arts. Money argument is the ultimate one here.

And again, they have more than just Mass Effect. Also, a stunning reveal a year after will result in possibly more purchases and ME would become the LOTR of videogames.

Exactly. Right now both literalists and ITers aresn't really looking forward to ME4, but with a huge cool reveal, well, that'll make some hype for sure!

Marketing 101

[BleedingUranium]

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And again, they have more than just Mass Effect.

So? They were losing money for 4 years straight up until last fiscal year despite having more than just Mass Effect. This company tries to squeeze more $$$ at every oppurtunity it can and frankly, they have no other choice, they're barely started making profit after 4 years of huge losses.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also, a stunning reveal a year after will result in possibly more purchases and ME would become the LOTR of videogames.

A stunning reveal a year after will result in more purchases? By the time 90%+ of players already moved on and ME3 is old news? It's already old news with all the new games releasing this fall.

The people who just keep moving on to the next big thing, people who just play shooters to kill stuff, etc are not the kind of people Mass Effect was written for.

[demersel]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You fundamentally don't understand that just because there might be illusory elements doesn't mean the ending is irrelevant, much like the Harry Potter series.

It doesn't matter if the illusion had great message and all. If it was an illusion from Harby's beam, it means that TIM & Reapers are still alive, the war is not over at all and the story hasn't finished. The game had no ending.

Yes. That's exactly what we're all saying.

Thats not what I'm saying. Ending on a cliffhanger is still an ending, whether you like it or not.

But this isn't a proper cliffhanger; a proper cliffhanger finishes it's plot arc. Halo 3 finshes its plot arc, but we didn't know what would happen to Chief floating in space. Mass Effect 2 had a cliffhanger with Shepard and Harbinger having their cross-galaxy staredown, but the immediate plot arc was resolved.

An example of a cliffhanger for ME3 would be: Shepard wakes up, we take back Earth, but still have to kill the Reapers in the rest of the galaxy.

As much as pains me to say that - it doesn't really have to be like that. The DLCs could add more sides to the story and more peices of the puzzle - simply putting the ending as it is in different context and  allow for some diffinitive implications, so the ending as is would have a totally new meaning - they already showed how easy to do this - in the original the implications were that everybody in the galaxy dies because of relays going supernova and the civilizations set back into dark ages. With just a few slides  the totally changed that. And those thing were not that difficult to come up with - they are really just the checklist of funservice. 

Now, the first DLC leviathan - it already changed the context of the ending - now we know with certainty that even if decide to destroy the reapers - it still won't fix the problem -  the galaxy would not be free to make it's own way. And that is already kinda huge. 

And we can only really speculate about what will they add next. 


Then again - It would have been nice to be able, you know, TAKE THE EARTH BACK, like everysingle ad for this game promised. 

[demersel]

BleedingUranium wrote...

The people who just keep moving on to the next big thing, people who just play shooters to kill stuff, etc are not the kind of people Mass Effect was written for.

Although they do welcome their financial input. :innocent:
As far as i'm conserned - COD auditory paid for IT. 

Modifié par demersel, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:13 .

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You fundamentally don't understand that just because there might be illusory elements doesn't mean the ending is irrelevant, much like the Harry Potter series.

It doesn't matter if the illusion had great message and all. If it was an illusion from Harby's beam, it means that TIM & Reapers are still alive, the war is not over at all and the story hasn't finished. The game had no ending.

Yes. That's exactly what we're all saying.

Thats not what I'm saying. Ending on a cliffhanger is still an ending, whether you like it or not.

Yeah, sure it ends there, but it's not an ending.

[CmdrShep80]

[quote]Andromidius wrote...

[quote]IsaacShep wrote...

[quote]Andromidius wrote...

That the EC was in responce to fan outrage, and its purely to shut people up.[/quote]Yeah hi, by delaying paid DLC they're decreasing the $$$ they will get from it (DLC sales go down as obviously the interest goes down thoroughout months after the game is released), they don't earn anything from EC AND they spent EA's money during that time. What an amazing business plan to release an expansion to a fake ending instead of immediately developing and releasing the real ending that would obviously be 10 time better, right?[/quote]
[/quote]

Hey, yeah.  There's this thing called Multiplayer.  People spend money on something called 'micro transactions'.  This is something EA love to do.  By keeping the fans happy, they are more likely to buy these micro transactions, which cost EA/Bioware nothing at all.  Glad I could clear that up for you, thanks, bye.

[/quote]

its true. I admit it. BioWare has me hooked on freebies. I get free mps free weapons, free packs with a little effort, and an awesome story, all for a few micro transactions. I only ask that I can still play the trilogy 20 years from now like the c&c pack that came out not like Star Trek Dominion wars which I'd have to buy an old PC to ever play it again

[BansheeOwnage]

Home run MF wrote...

 Regarding that Javik line. There are what I assume are cut variations, bacause I haven't been able to trigger them.

Your words do not match your actions. Compassion has weakened you. It will destroy you.
or
There is hope for you. Compassion has not clouded your judgment. Yet.

Interesting quotes. One of them was your signature, no?

Compassion has weakened you. It will destroy you. Nice Foreshadowing there. They both are, for that matter.

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

You fundamentally don't understand that just because there might be illusory elements doesn't mean the ending is irrelevant, much like the Harry Potter series.

It doesn't matter if the illusion had great message and all. If it was an illusion from Harby's beam, it means that TIM & Reapers are still alive, the war is not over at all and the story hasn't finished. The game had no ending.

Yes. That's exactly what we're all saying.

Thats not what I'm saying. Ending on a cliffhanger is still an ending, whether you like it or not.

Assassin's Creed does this with every ending and that's just one game series. Halo does this too.

Wait what? Halo 2 was the only Halo with an actual cliffhanger.

Luckily, I'm on top of the cliff.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:25 .