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[demersel]

Andromidius wrote...

Well it is mentioned that they prefer to use other species to do their work for them, and can control people from vast distances away. Thus suggesting either they don't like travelling, find it difficult, or can't. The latter is unlikely since the Reapers wouldn't have any difficulty finding them.

No. That doesn't suggest that they don't like treveling, find it difficult, or can't. That only suggests that they control people from vast distances away. Which is pretty amazing. They also can kill a reaper over a distance just with a thought. Which is also pretty amazing. And they also menaged to avoid being slauthered by the reapers all this time - which is amazing beyond anything. We just don't know what are they capable off. But we do know that once there was a time when they were benting the galaxy to their will - which could mean anything, but i doubt that they simply meant having a lot of thralles. 

[Andromidius]

Well it suggests it to me. And considering their choice of habitation (or rather, their ability to live there) they appear to be aquatic lifeforms. Aquatic lifeforms with little to no ability to craft anything themselves (no hands, from what we saw), so they enthrall other species to do the job for them.

Maybe they force them to build huge ships to carry them around. But that would be a lot of effort when you could just get the thrall to go do it for you.

[Rifneno]

Also, has anyone else found that ME has ruined other games for them? I finally got around to playing Final Fantasy Dissidia 012, and I just can't take this crap seriously anymore. A horde of killer mannequins (yes, seriously) just doesn't measure up to the Reapers' villainy. I can't find a damn to give about them. And listening to Cloud's emo bull**** isn't a trillionth as deep as they probably think it is. Hardly as enlightening as that random Mordin conversation I just pasted. Damned bar is too high now.

[demersel]

Andromidius wrote...

They are just hiding there. You don't hide at home. That's the first place to look for you. Their abulity to live live there is pretty amazing also. And they are no aquatic. Should they be aquatic - finding them all would not be a problem. You just check all the planets with water (Duh).

No the water world we found them in - is the farthest possible place from their natural habitat.  It's a place that that's not even accured to reapers to look for them.

Have you seen the Inglorious Bastards? The opening?  

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

Also, has anyone else found that ME has ruined other games for them?

Yes. 

New Vegas was surprisingly interesting though. 

[GethPrimeMKII]

Rifneno wrote...

Also, has anyone else found that ME has ruined other games for them? I finally got around to playing Final Fantasy Dissidia 012, and I just can't take this crap seriously anymore. A horde of killer mannequins (yes, seriously) just doesn't measure up to the Reapers' villainy. I can't find a damn to give about them. And listening to Cloud's emo bull**** isn't a trillionth as deep as they probably think it is. Hardly as enlightening as that random Mordin conversation I just pasted. Damned bar is too high now.

To be fair, Dissidia 012 has a ****** poor plot even without games like Mass Effect setting the standard. Its one of the few games where I feel perfectly fine with ignoring the story and focusing on the action.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Also, has anyone else found that ME has ruined other games for them? I finally got around to playing Final Fantasy Dissidia 012, and I just can't take this crap seriously anymore. A horde of killer mannequins (yes, seriously) just doesn't measure up to the Reapers' villainy. I can't find a damn to give about them. And listening to Cloud's emo bull**** isn't a trillionth as deep as they probably think it is. Hardly as enlightening as that random Mordin conversation I just pasted. Damned bar is too high now.

Not really other games, but such a long, indepth, and character driven story with so many interesting philosophies and ideas has made watching an average 2 hour movie feel like reading a 10 page children's book.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Another thing I'll say about Dissidia is that they did a terrible job with their portrayal of many characters - particularly Cloud. There's many more facets to Cloud's personality in FF7 than Dissidia's brooding emo Cloud.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Whoa... way too many pages to catch up with.

I just wanted to say, I do think the modular theory is a valid possibility, but I think it will only support destroy, and not refuse.

For several reasons;

- Refuse wasn't in the original game, so that would mean the 'real ending' wouldn't have been in the game
- I think that (despite everything Shepard says) it simply means you don't even intend to destroy the Reapers any more after talking to the "catalyst". That's what you always wanted to do, and you just give up on it.

Just look back at Arrival. Shepard had no choice, she sacrificed the Batarians. Doing nothing, and letting the Reapers poor through, is letting everyone die anyway. And that is exactly what happens in refuse. It's like just letting the Reapers start their invasion, because aw poor Batarians. Only it's aw poor Geth, and then all organics get harvested.

But also:

- You spend almost the entire game listening to people telling you to destroy the Reapers, give them no quarter, etc. You don't exactly spend time listening to people who tell you, if you're faced with some difficult choices, it's better not to do anything at all.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[Rifneno]

SwobyJ wrote...

I still enjoy FF9 and 12.

FF9 because of its whimsy and general fun for me... FF12 for the fact that I can completely ignore the story and just grind stuff.

OMG! You're the other one! I'd heard there was someone else out there that liked the grindfests in FFXII but I thought they were just screwing with me! Not that the story is bad. IMO it's one of the better FFs storywise. I was really disappointed when I found out Revenant Wings had basically nothing to do with FFXII. IX was great nostalgia even when it was new. Definitely a much needed breath of fresh air after Cloud and Squall.

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Another thing I'll say about Dissidia is that they did a terrible job with their portrayal of many characters - particularly Cloud. There's many more facets to Cloud's personality in FF7 than Dissidia's brooding emo Cloud.

QFT. Cloud is "looking for a reason to fight", so he challenges an ally to a fight for no particular reason and then balks at Sephiroth challenging him because he's "got nothing to believe in". Seriously?

But at least we get to Hell's Gate Aeris. That's unlimited laughs.

[ZerebusPrime]

I gave up on Japanese RPG's some time ago *cough*Xenosaga2*cough*. Apparently it takes a Canadian company to tell a decent story.

[Rifneno]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I gave up on Japanese RPG's some time ago *cough*Xenosaga2*cough*. Apparently it takes a Canadian company to tell a decent story.

I love Xenogears, Xenosaga 1, and Xenosaga 3.  I cannot finish XS2.  It bores me to tears and the battle system is worse than FFVIII, if such a thing is possible.  That game was an abomination.  Judging all jRPGs by that one is like judging western games by Daikatana.

[Hrothdane]

While Dissidia screws up many characters' personalities, it makes Golbez a million times more interesting and awesome.

A lot of the other earlier characters, the ones hat lacked much personality, actually end up coming ahead.

FFX will always have a special place in my heart, no matter what.

[BleedingUranium]

Synthesis is both fantastic and incredible.

[ZerebusPrime]

Rifneno wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I gave up on Japanese RPG's some time ago *cough*Xenosaga2*cough*. Apparently it takes a Canadian company to tell a decent story.

I love Xenogears, Xenosaga 1, and Xenosaga 3.  I cannot finish XS2.  It bores me to tears and the battle system is worse than FFVIII, if such a thing is possible.  That game was an abomination.  Judging all jRPGs by that one is like judging western games by Daikatana.

That's just the last one I played.  The full list is substantial.  I've even played Super Robot Wars Alpha in raw kanji.  I've just gotten tired of story elements that are geared towards a Japanese mindset.  I have a highly educated American mindset and prefer to catre to that now.

..........although, if I could get my hands on a copy of Metal Wolf Chaos...

[DoomsdayDevice]

Home run MF wrote...

 Regarding that Javik line. There are what I assume are cut variations, bacause I haven't been able to trigger them.

Your words do not match your actions. Compassion has weakened you. It will destroy you.
or
There is hope for you. Compassion has not clouded your judgment. Yet.

This supports my hypothesis. Paragon Shepard's dialogue at times (especially in the decision chamber) seems a lot more dubious and indoctrinated than renegade Shep's. There's even a paragon dialogue option labeled 'I think I understand' when speaking to the "catalyst'.

My hypothesis is that paragon Shep is more empathic than renegade Shep, and therefore more susceptible to indoctrination. Empathy/compassion are a good thing, but not when dealing with hyper-intelligent mind-controlling/brainwashing/indoctrinating genocidal constructs.

Javik's line about compassion seems to support this idea.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[Rifneno]

Hrothdane wrote...

While Dissidia screws up many characters' personalities, it makes Golbez a million times more interesting and awesome.

A lot of the other earlier characters, the ones hat lacked much personality, actually end up coming ahead.

FFX will always have a special place in my heart, no matter what.

Yuna's response to Starbinger.

Golbez got a lot more interesting in The After Years, or so I've heard. Haven't played it myself as it's on a Nintendo system.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Synthesis is both fantastic and incredible.

Incredible. Root word credible, prefix denoting a lack thereof. Well, I've gotta give you that one. Synthesis is incredible indeed.

[spotlessvoid]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Synthesis is both fantastic and incredible.

Yes


Don't listen to Rifneno. He'll never get to see the Reaper's blessings like we will

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Synthesis is both fantastic and incredible.

Incredible. Root word credible, prefix denoting a lack thereof. Well, I've gotta give you that one. Synthesis is incredible indeed.

And fantastic

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Don't listen to Rifneno. He'll never get to see the Reaper's blessings like we will

I beat indoctrination and all I got was this stupid t-shirt breath scene.