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[Dwailing]

Eryri wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Boss Battle Blue Balls.

Oh how I wanted to use this to discribe my feeling about the ending ever since March. Though folks might find that offense. Oh well, now it's out there. And of course, I agree.

Notch me up on the scoreboard for that too. Perfectly fits the ending as it is now.

It seems I'm not the only one. Anyone else finding it hard to get into other games since ME3? I've been trying to get into the Uncharted series. While I can appreciate how superbly well made they are, somehow the adventures of a lovable but aquisitive rogue seem insignificant when I'm still not sure if I've saved the galaxy or not.

I kind of have the opposite problem.  I can't seem to play Mass Effect anymore because I don't know if I should like the endings or not.  If IT is true, they're frakking brilliant.  If it's not, then I'm disappointed.  BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONE I SHOULD BE!!!!

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Yeah, considering the challenges in making that mod, he did good. Like he said, it's not his preferred ending, just what he could do with what he had to work with. I was loling at the some of the responses. Tbh, if only literal destroy was available, the breath scene would have been awesome-in concept. You think Shep made the ultimate sacrifice to save the Reapers and then there's an oh **** he's alive moment. Reapers dead and it's an open world


Edit: Oh no, I'm indoctrinated!

Wow I missed that completely. LOL.

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Huh, I just had a thought about the Destroy ending. Specifically, in relation to something the Catalyst says. Remember he describes the Reapers as being like a 'cleansing fire?' Well, I just noticed that the energy wave from the Crucible in Destroy looks a LOT like a cleansing fire. And we've seen the kid (And eventually Shepard) burning in fire in the dreams. So maybe it's meant to mean fighting fire with fire?

I'm curious, did anyone actually see this?

Saw it, just had nothing to say about it since you're clearly right.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

Eryri wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Boss Battle Blue Balls.

Oh how I wanted to use this to discribe my feeling about the ending ever since March. Though folks might find that offense. Oh well, now it's out there. And of course, I agree.

Notch me up on the scoreboard for that too. Perfectly fits the ending as it is now.

It seems I'm not the only one. Anyone else finding it hard to get into other games since ME3? I've been trying to get into the Uncharted series. While I can appreciate how superbly well made they are, somehow the adventures of a lovable but aquisitive rogue seem insignificant when I'm still not sure if I've saved the galaxy or not.

I kind of have the opposite problem.  I can't seem to play Mass Effect anymore because I don't know if I should like the endings or not.  If IT is true, they're frakking brilliant.  If it's not, then I'm disappointed.  BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONE I SHOULD BE!!!!

That's exactly how I feel.

[spotlessvoid]

Dwailing. Interesting.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Huh, I just had a thought about the Destroy ending. Specifically, in relation to something the Catalyst says. Remember he describes the Reapers as being like a 'cleansing fire?' Well, I just noticed that the energy wave from the Crucible in Destroy looks a LOT like a cleansing fire. And we've seen the kid (And eventually Shepard) burning in fire in the dreams. So maybe it's meant to mean fighting fire with fire?

I'm curious, did anyone actually see this?

Missed that. Makes sense.

[dreamgazer]

 

Simon_Says wrote...

I had to stop reading for a minute when he brought up the three act structure chart, because, well, I'll let Hulk explain it.

Y'know what's entertaining about you citing FilmCritHULK as a source? He kinda loved the ending.

[BansheeOwnage]

Reaperfield 3.

Awesome picture. I deeply admire the concept of Marauder Shields. Like IT, it represents the coming-together of all of the fans to try and make the ending better. I just want it to be over. And with Halo 4 coming out in less than 2 days, I won't be here as much. On the plus side though, Femshep and Harbinger are in Halo 4! So I hope we get to see something good soon.

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

 

Simon_Says wrote...

I had to stop reading for a minute when he brought up the three act structure chart, because, well, I'll let Hulk explain it.

Y'know what's entertaining about you citing FilmCritHULK as a source? He kinda loved the ending.

I completely disagree with his " myth of the three acts" line, but he is entitled to his opinion.

[BleedingUranium]

starlitegirlx wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Can you see where players who were completely pro cerberus, kept the collector base and told TIM in the final dialogue option in response to "We need each other", "Yes, we do" would be thrown off though?

Yes and no. Yes because they believed he was good, which proved to not be the truth. No, because I think it's actually an example of paying attention to what is happening in the game as well as playing the game. Really, what is the logic behind trusting Tim to such dangerous tech? Also, you came to destroy the base. This is version 1.0 of changing the options at the end. Version 2.0 is ME3. If you came to destroy it, and you know destroying it definitely serves as a crippling blow whereas saving it helps whom? He won't be sharing with the Alliance or Council. He states so much in one of the QEC meetings with him. He hoards. He hides. He is ILLUSIVE. He does not represent trust. He does not represent good. He has an agenda. So if it's a shock, then those players should have been the ones least likely to choose anything but destroy. They already saw what not choosing destroy does. Hell, the not destroy option of ME2 becomes proof as to why one has to choose the destroy option in ME3. Sanctuary then becomes a parallel of what happens when you do not choose destroy since Sanctuary is a form of harvesting only at Tim's and Miranda's father's hands.

You are shown evidence to not trust Tim and you choose to trust the most dangerous tech known to him? And to save the base despite he clearly has an agenda that is yet unknown, but still, it's there.

There is in game evidence or warnings about him - You have two victims of cerberus (Tali and Jack) telling you what he is. If you played any of the cerberus side missions in ME1, you know there Tim is not on the side of good and will do whatever it takes to get what he wants. In the game, even if you never crossed cerberus' path, Garrus brings it up first thing as well. It comes from a few different sources. Even Gabby, Donnelly, Chakwas, and Jeff are basically with them only because they either were following shepard or wanted to be able to do their job (for Jeff that was flying - he was grounded). They were there to take on the threat, which was the logic behind Shepard starying. If you Answer the first meeting with Tim with paragon answers, you see it is all predicated upon proof that the coloniest are being abducted and it needs to be stopped with further implications that the reapers may be connected and that it might be much larger than just some colonies here and there. So right from the start, the player, if paying attention should realize why shepard stays has nothing to do with trusting Tim, whom happens to put them in danger with the collector base mission AND the reaper IFF given the team went dark and he didn't want to risk anymore resources on it.

While it seems like it might make sense to keep the technology, you have to consider who is going to be using it. Again, NOTHING about Tim or Cerberus has ever shown Tim to be truly on the side of humans. Nor has he proved to be trustworthy. The fact that he plants all sorts of listening devices on the ship shows it. The person who does that is controlling. Controlling people tend to be dangerous. There are plenty of clues to the player that trusting Tim with the tech is a bad idea similarly to how IT is done in ME3 but not quite nearly as blatant and constant. It's there in ME2 but after initial remarks from certain characters, it's sidelined. I think ME2 might have been a prerequisite to ME3 IT however the way they were going to work IT into ME3 ending wise might have been different since there was the dark energy path that was eliminated.

This. Not every choice in ME is valid.

Kaidan or Ashley? Personal preference; the choice is up to you.
Saving Wrex? Stupidity test; if he dies you're doing it wrong.
ME2's ending choice, and subsequent dialogue with TIM? A lore and themes test just like the end of ME3. There is a wrong answer, but the only side effect is your state of mind entering the decision room.

[Simon_Says]

dreamgazer wrote...

 

Simon_Says wrote...

I had to stop reading for a minute when he brought up the three act structure chart, because, well, I'll let Hulk explain it.

Y'know what's entertaining about you citing FilmCritHULK as a source? He kinda loved the ending.

He focuses on different things. I don't agree with many of his assesements. But he makes other points I agree with and will cite.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 04 novembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[Eryri]

Dwailing wrote...

I kind of have the opposite problem.  I can't seem to play Mass Effect anymore because I don't know if I should like the endings or not.  If IT is true, they're frakking brilliant.  If it's not, then I'm disappointed.  BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONE I SHOULD BE!!!!

I know exactly what you mean. I'm currently in limbo. All games, including the ME series, are difficult for me to focus on. All because of this freaking game, that 8 months later I'm still not sure if I love or hate.

TBH I'm starting to worry that my obsession with ME isn't terribly healthy. It's like every time I come back to the forums I'm picking at a mental scab. (sorry for the gross mental image).

I'm really hoping they make some sort of announcement on the 7th. I'm rather reaching the end of my patience with this now.

Modifié par Eryri, 04 novembre 2012 - 08:54 .

[Dwailing]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Huh, I just had a thought about the Destroy ending. Specifically, in relation to something the Catalyst says. Remember he describes the Reapers as being like a 'cleansing fire?' Well, I just noticed that the energy wave from the Crucible in Destroy looks a LOT like a cleansing fire. And we've seen the kid (And eventually Shepard) burning in fire in the dreams. So maybe it's meant to mean fighting fire with fire?

I'm curious, did anyone actually see this?

Missed that. Makes sense.

Additionally, I find it even more interesting when you consider that Destroy is the only ending with a blast like that.  The other two look much more energy-y.  Destroy, on the other hand, looks like fire, even though the wave in space doesn't.

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I kind of have the opposite problem.  I can't seem to play Mass Effect anymore because I don't know if I should like the endings or not.  If IT is true, they're frakking brilliant.  If it's not, then I'm disappointed.  BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONE I SHOULD BE!!!!

I know exactly what you mean. I'm currently in limbo. All games, including the ME series, are difficult for me to focus on. All because of this freaking game, that 8 months later I'm still not sure if I love or hate.

TBH I'm starting to worry that my obsession with ME isn't terribly healthy. It's like every time I come back to the forums I'm picking at a mental scab. (sorry for the gross mental image).

Well done Mac and Casey. Your real-life indoctrination experiment has given me mild OCD. You happy now?

                                                                            

[spotlessvoid]

I've never played a lot of video games, instead focusing on a few select titles. But the combination of choice, narrative, and game play have made most games pale in comparison. I have never like fantasy genre, and most other titles feel way too video gamey to enjoy. Mass Effect has set the bar so high that I can't seem to feel immersed in any other games. Plus, the ending has me captured. At least until the dlc cycle ends.

[Davik Kang]

Simon_Says wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

 

Simon_Says wrote...

I had to stop reading for a minute when he brought up the three act structure chart, because, well, I'll let Hulk explain it.

Y'know what's entertaining about you citing FilmCritHULK as a source? He kinda loved the ending.

He focuses on different things. I don't agree with many of his assesements. But he makes other points I agree with and will cite.

He seems to support synthesis and the nihilism of the ending, but I'm at least glad he has the balls to stand up for the endings as they stand.

@Banshee - I don't see how your comment says anything other than "You're wrong and I'm right.  Sorry".  I post in this forum to get away from that kind of crap.

[BansheeOwnage]

From an article. (Relating to the end of the London mission)

"Functionally, it’s the defining moment of Mass Effect 3‘s rising action. However it’s neither established nor given validation as the final moment of climactic gameplay. It’s presented as one step in a series and once past it, there’s still another portion of the level (and who knows how much game) left to go!
This setup for further action nullifies a player’s chances of recognizing this as the challenge point climax. If anything, this moment feels like a build up toward a “real” climax, a “real” boss, and probably one just around the corner. Just more rising action."

Exactly. There was so much build-up for an awesome end to the series. But that build-up led nowhere.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

I kind of have the opposite problem.  I can't seem to play Mass Effect anymore because I don't know if I should like the endings or not.  If IT is true, they're frakking brilliant.  If it's not, then I'm disappointed.  BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONE I SHOULD BE!!!!

I've never had this problem. From the moment I found this thread (Mk.I) a few hours after my first playthrough back in March, I knew this is what had happened. It was like what I imagine finding out the Matrix is real would be like: a sudden realisation of what you're seeing, and you'll never be able to go back to seeing it the old way again.

That's another good Matrix comparison; the literalists are the ones still in the Matrix, actively fighting to stay in their dream world. Morpheus's talk about not taking people over a certain age, due to the mind having trouble letting go applies as well.

[BansheeOwnage]

Davik Kang wrote...

@Banshee - I don't see how your comment says anything other than "You're wrong and I'm right.  Sorry".  I post in this forum to get away from that kind of crap.

That's probably because that's pretty much how I intended it to sound. And nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise.

Not trying to make enemies here, but I had to say it.

[Eryri]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
                                                                            

Sorry, I was getting a bit overly dramatic there. Also apologies for making fun of OCD, that's not really a laughing matter.

Anyway, what was everyone's concensus on that bit of Reaper noise that I believe Doomsday found, that sounds like "The Child Lies" at the start of the beam run? Do we thing it's just paredolia, or does it mean anything?

Modifié par Eryri, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:03 .

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I kind of have the opposite problem.  I can't seem to play Mass Effect anymore because I don't know if I should like the endings or not.  If IT is true, they're frakking brilliant.  If it's not, then I'm disappointed.  BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONE I SHOULD BE!!!!

I've never had this problem. From the moment I found this thread (Mk.I) a few hours after my first playthrough back in March, I knew this is what had happened. It was like what I imagine finding out the Matrix is real would be like: a sudden realisation of what you're seeing, and you'll never be able to go back to seeing it the old way again.

That's another good Matrix comparison; the literalists are the ones still in the Matrix, actively fighting to stay in their dream world. Morpheus's talk about not taking people over a certain age, due to the mind having trouble letting go applies as well.

The Matrix totally applies.

[BatmanTurian]

Eryri wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
                                                                            

Sorry, I was getting a bit overly dramatic there. Also apologies for making fun of OCD, that's not really a laughing matter.

Anyway, what was everyone's concensus on that bit of Reaper noise that I believe Doomsday found, that sounds like "The Child Lies" at the start of the beam run? Do we thing it's just paredolia, or does it mean anything?

  I don't understand why a Reaper would say " The Child Lies". Totally support Harbinger, made of Leviathans, saying " Serve us" though.

[Davik Kang]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

@Banshee - I don't see how your comment says anything other than "You're wrong and I'm right.  Sorry".  I post in this forum to get away from that kind of crap.

That's probably because that's pretty much how I intended it to sound. And nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise.

Not trying to make enemies here, but I had to say it.

Well you didn't really though.  I can't be bothered with an argument, post whatever response you want, or don't post anything, I don't care.  But if you post stuff like that then you will make enemies.  And you already know that.  The thing is, you're happy to infer that someone's an idiot if it makes your point.

I wasn't trying to "convince you otherwise".  I was saying I think it's good.  I already stated that virtually no-one else does.  But yeah, you wanna claim that intelligent and reasonable people hate the ME3 ending as a logical deduction, and thereby infer that I'm neither?  10/10, you did it.  Well done.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:09 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
                                                                            

Sorry, I was getting a bit overly dramatic there. Also apologies for making fun of OCD, that's not really a laughing matter.

Anyway, what was everyone's concensus on that bit of Reaper noise that I believe Doomsday found, that sounds like "The Child Lies" at the start of the beam run? Do we thing it's just paredolia, or does it mean anything?

I'd say it's probably nothing. It's kind of funny though.  Although I'm excited for Halo 4, I can't deny I'll have to view it (and every other story ever) with all of this in mind. It's cool because it allows me to understand things more deeply and all that, but it's a bit of a curse too. I mean, it will be a while before ME fans (IT or literal) forget the end of ME3.

And they'll never forget that I was on top of the page.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:10 .