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[spotlessvoid]

I don't think the classic version of IT is a lock. I think there are variations on it that could be Bioware's intention. I think all 3 choices being valid is very very unlikely, but that doesn't prove it was all a hallucination. It's the theory I prefer and makes the most sense personally, but that doesn't make it what they were going for. Time will tell if future content provides some answers.

[Humakt83]

Guard: "When it is silent, when there's no one else around, I can hear it. Whispers in the back of my mind, and I can't tell what they are saying."
Guard: "I spoke to Doctor Kenson about it, and she seemed to understand. What the hell is going on?"

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Object Rho seems like a Being of Light that is surrounded by oily shadows and protected by metallic arms.

Keep going. Eventually you'll get to the point where every light source is a Being of Light. 

Have to.... destroy.... the sun... before it is..... too late.

Modifié par Humakt83, 04 novembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[Davik Kang]

Humakt83 wrote...
Guard: "When it is silent, when there's no one else around, I can hear it. Whispers in the back of my mind, and I can't tell what they are saying."
Guard: "I spoke to Doctor Kenson about it, and she seemed to understand. What the hell is going on?"

Talking of voices, does anyone know for certain what the voices are in the background of Shepard's dreams?  I've heard they are the voices of the people who Shepard was unable to save (e.g. Mordin).  Is this true?  Would explain why they build up to become more audible as the dreams progress.  Might also explain why some have claimed that we can hear them the last time we're on the Normandy (after Cronos).

Can anyone confirm?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Eryri wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

I have to say I thought the ending, as it was, was a pretty awesome climax.  I admit I'm pretty sad that 99% of players on BSN disagree.  

It shouldn't matter really - if you like the game who cares what others think - but I gotta say, I thought the ending was so masterfully thought-out and executed that I am really disappointed no-one else thinks so, especially as there are a lot of very bright and reasonable people on these forums.  I really thought when I registered here there'd be a least a sizeable minority who thought the ending was really great.

That's fair enough. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I wish I had your outlook on them. People like you, DoomesdayDevice and BillCasey are imaginative enough to appreciate the endings as they stand, without any further exposition, and for that I envy you.

I really enjoy discussing the IT and I can appreciate it's cleverness, but I'm hoping that it will eventually lead to a visceral, emotional climax to the story. The first 2 games both did that for me, particularly ME2. The combination of music and action at the climax of that game was hugely enjoyable. I guess I'm just a simple action-movie fan at heart.

Yeah, I'm one of the select few here who was completely blown away by the ending as it is.

I thought it was just such a genius, devious trick on the Reapers' part to just show up as this child and seduce you into making a fatal choice. Once I realized I beat indoctrination, it just blew my freaking mind.

You know what I love about the ending as it stands?

This.



It's just so beautiful in a scary way. How tons of Shepards will just willingly throw themselves into the Reaper beam after a 5 minute conversation with the Reaper Overlord.

People pledge themselves to the enemy cause in two of the endings, and THEY HAVE NO CLUE.

It's just so awesome. I can't explain. It gives me goosebumps.

They think they've saved the galaxy. Welcome to the Reaper Matrix, where ignorance is bliss.

It's just so sinister. I LOVE it.

That doesn't mean I don't understand you guys who feel differently, but to me the ending is just the most genius thing ever.

[401 Kill]

Davik Kang wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...
Guard: "When it is silent, when there's no one else around, I can hear it. Whispers in the back of my mind, and I can't tell what they are saying."
Guard: "I spoke to Doctor Kenson about it, and she seemed to understand. What the hell is going on?"

Talking of voices, does anyone know for certain what the voices are in the background of Shepard's dreams?  I've heard they are the voices of the people who Shepard was unable to save (e.g. Mordin).  Is this true?  Would explain why they build up to become more audible as the dreams progress.  Might also explain why some have claimed that we can hear them the last time we're on the Normandy (after Cronos).

Can anyone confirm?

Yes, in the dreams Shepard will hear the voices of dead squad members as a whisper.

Ex: "Does this unit have a soul", "You're the only friend I have made in ten years."
If you have subtitles on it will show the words.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:03 .

[Bill Casey]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

This. Exactly. I generally just say "If IT is true" so as to not sound arrogant or overconfident though. And there is always the possibility, however small, that Bioware failed and is simply trolling us.

Does this prove infinite monkey theorum?

[Davik Kang]

401 Kill wrote...
Yes, in the dreams Shepard will hear the voices of dead squad members as a whisper.

Ex: "Does this unit have a soul", "You're the only friend I have made in ten years."

Thanks.  That is really interesting.  The dreams must've been pulled apart 1000 times, but I'm interested to know: what do you guys think the dreams mean or represent?  I imagine each person might have different ideas about this.

Also, what happens if you start a new ME3 career in terms of squadmates?  Do all the ME2 squadmates survive for ME3?  Or some are dead?  Or all of them?  What about the ME2 crew?  (Gabi, Chakwas etc.)

[byne]

Davik Kang wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...
Guard: "When it is silent, when there's no one else around, I can hear it. Whispers in the back of my mind, and I can't tell what they are saying."
Guard: "I spoke to Doctor Kenson about it, and she seemed to understand. What the hell is going on?"

Talking of voices, does anyone know for certain what the voices are in the background of Shepard's dreams?  I've heard they are the voices of the people who Shepard was unable to save (e.g. Mordin).  Is this true?  Would explain why they build up to become more audible as the dreams progress.  Might also explain why some have claimed that we can hear them the last time we're on the Normandy (after Cronos).

Can anyone confirm?

Yeah, you only hear voices from people who have died.

Heres a compilation of all the voices if you're interested.

[plfranke]

The 62nd Flog wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@Bleeding
Romance with Jack/Thane/Jacob
Priority Earth
Omega and Leviathan not being on disk
Intro of the game
All side missions

-Oh right, the ME2 romances were very lacking in content compared to the ME1/3 ones. That's actually my biggest, and only real complaint about ME3, it's just been a while since my first playthrough (Miranda).
-Not sure if rushed, or just intentionally creepy...
-Doesn't bother me at all.
-What's wrong with it? It's one of my favourite parts.
-What's wrong with them?

Priority Earth - It's rushed lol.

Omega and Leviathan - If it doesn't bother you that the only hard foreshadowing of the Catalyst is charged $10 and a dlc that Bioware has admitted they they wanted to put on a disk is being charged for half the price of the current game then that's just being a bad consumer.

Intro of the game - Imagine playing that straight from me2 with no knowledge of the books or internet resources. You're just a casual player that really liked mass effect 2 and wanted to get mass effect 3. No trial that Bioware promised, Cerberus is just out of the blue against you, The list goes on.

Side Missions - Facepalm are you serious? You didn't notice how pointless the fetch quests and n7 missions are compared to, say, the loyalty quests for me2?

*COUGH* Tali's face *COUGH*

Thanks I forgot about that one. There's probably a lot more.

[Eryri]

Davik Kang wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...
Guard: "When it is silent, when there's no one else around, I can hear it. Whispers in the back of my mind, and I can't tell what they are saying."
Guard: "I spoke to Doctor Kenson about it, and she seemed to understand. What the hell is going on?"

Talking of voices, does anyone know for certain what the voices are in the background of Shepard's dreams?  I've heard they are the voices of the people who Shepard was unable to save (e.g. Mordin).  Is this true?  Would explain why they build up to become more audible as the dreams progress.  Might also explain why some have claimed that we can hear them the last time we're on the Normandy (after Cronos).

Can anyone confirm?

I do remember hearing Ashley (who I left on Virmire) prominently in the dreams, as well as Legion towards the end - possibly even the last dream.

Legion stood out particularly because his voice was very plaintive and slowed down, and he spoke his lines from Rannoch "Does this unit have a soul?"

I suppose that would make sense if the Reapers are trying to guilt-trip you away from picking Destroy and potentially betraying Legion's trust.

Modifié par Eryri, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:10 .

[Humakt83]

There are also a couple datapads about dreams and visions/nightmares in them during Arrival.

As for the Shepard's dreams, well, most of you have already seen these:

The whispers  (seems byne beat me to this)

Reaper noises and other sounds

Modifié par Humakt83, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:11 .

[Rifneno]

Humakt83 wrote...

There are also a couple datapads about dreams and visions/nightmares in them during Arrival.

As for the Shepard's dreams, well, most of you have already seen these:

The whispers

Reaper noises and other sounds

Retribution also makes reference to Paul Grayson having nightmares that he can't quite remember upon waking but leave him deeply disturbed.

But I'm sure all the dream stuff from indoctrinated victims between ME2 and ME3 is coincidence.  It's totally PTSD, guys.

[Rifneno]

<rubs shoulder> Ugh. My PTSD is acting up again. Anyone got some asprin?

[Eryri]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Yeah, I'm one of the select few here who was completely blown away by the ending as it is.

I thought it was just such a genius, devious trick on the Reapers' part to just show up as this child and seduce you into making a fatal choice. Once I realized I beat indoctrination, it just blew my freaking mind.

You know what I love about the ending as it stands?

This.



It's just so beautiful in a scary way. How tons of Shepards will just willingly throw themselves into the Reaper beam after a 5 minute conversation with the Reaper Overlord.

People pledge themselves to the enemy cause in two of the endings, and THEY HAVE NO CLUE.

It's just so awesome. I can't explain. It gives me goosebumps.

They think they've saved the galaxy. Welcome to the Reaper Matrix, where ignorance is bliss.

It's just so sinister. I LOVE it.

That doesn't mean I don't understand you guys who feel differently, but to me the ending is just the most genius thing ever.

That's a very positive way of looking at it. One of the reasons I like IT is because it restores the terrifying majesty of the Reapers. With IT, they are not only physically powerful, they're incredibly subtle and devious Magnificent B*stards, who will cheerfully twist your perceptions, simply because they can.

[401 Kill]

Davik Kang wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
Yes, in the dreams Shepard will hear the voices of dead squad members as a whisper.

Ex: "Does this unit have a soul", "You're the only friend I have made in ten years."

Thanks.  That is really interesting.  The dreams must've been pulled apart 1000 times, but I'm interested to know: what do you guys think the dreams mean or represent?  I imagine each person might have different ideas about this.

First of all, the dreams are my favorite parts of the game. You run around in a dark, gloomy forest, haunted by the whispers of those you could not save, your friends. Very emotional.

In my opinion, the dreams are a hub of indoctrination. You will run towards the child, the part of Shepards mind under Reaper influence. If you run away from the child, a Reaper horn will sound, and Shepard will turn around and go after the child. If you stand still, "oily shadows" will converge on the child, to me it seems obvious that the child is of Reaper construction. Once you reach the child, the part of your mind resisting will kick-in, and the child will burn as a warning that following the child is not right. In the last dream you will see Shepard and the child burn together, meaning if you reach the child, you will metaphorically burn; lose your mind to indoctrination.

This is just my opinion though.

[Davik Kang]

Thanks for all the feedback and links guys.  

Btw here's a list of the whispers from a thread 7 months old.  The 005-7 quotes are Miranda and 014 is some alcoholic floozy.

 

antiquechrono wrote...

Here's a transcription of all the voices I could find for everyone wondering. It's located in an audio file called nordrm_talking_dead_a_D_Int. I will list who's voices I recognize.

A ton of them just whisper 'Shepard' so here's a list of that first. Also they are very very very hard to make out, so sorry that so many are not listed.

001 Unknown Female 
002 Unknown Female 
003 Kasumi 
004 Kasumi 
008 Sounds like Ash
009 Sounds like Ash
010 Unknown Female 
011 Unknown Female 
012 Unkown Female
013 Unknown Female
028 Unknown Female
029 Unknown Female
030 Mordin?
031 Mordin?
032 Unknown Male
033 Unknown Male
048 Wrex
051 Wrex again?
053 Unknown Male Garrus?
054 Garrus
055 Unknown Male drawn out and raspy
056 sounds like 055
068 Unknown Female
069 Unknown Female
076 Unknown Male
077 Unknown Male
078 Unknown Male
079 Unknown Male
093 Unknown ?
094 Unknown Male
097 Tali
098 Tali
106 Unknown Male
107 Thane?

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005 Unknown Female: It was nothing I couldn't handle
006 Unknown Female: I wanted you to have a normal life, marriage, children, things I could never have.
007 Unknown Female: *sob* Finish this, you promised me.
014 Unknown Female: Wars can be won or lost in the editing room, and this war needs to be won.
016 Ash : I don't know who you are, not since they got their hands on you.
017 Kasumi? : I always have time for you Commander.
018 Kelly Chambers: Under your leadership we can't fail.
019 Kelly Chambers: Please call me Kelly, it's such an honor to work under you Commander Shepard.
020 Kasumi: I'm the best theif in the business, not the most famous. Need to watch my step to keep it that way.
021 Miranda: I don't have what you do, that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into hell itself.
022 Miranda: I'm still human Shepard, I make mistakes like everyone else.
023 Miranda: It's just a fact. My reflexes, my strength, even my looks, they're all designed to give me an edge, no point in hiding from it.
024 Ash: Whatever you come up with you can count me in.
025 Ash: Now go back and get the lieutenant and get the hell out of here, you know it's the right choice LT
026 Ash: Screw that, I can hold them off. Go back and get Alenko, you know it's the right choice LT.
027 Ash: That won't happen, go get him commander I'll see you all when you get back.
034 Padok Wiks (Salarian rep for Mordin): And somewhere deep in the fabric of reality that choice will be remembered for eternity.
035 Same as 034: Thank you Commander, somewhere deep in the fabric reality all actions are recorded and remembered.
036 Same as 034: All I've ever done my entire career is destroy the natural course of the universe.
037 Same as 034: Some souls die in battle, some die in their sleep, and some die for no reason at all.
038 Same as 034: With war on everyone's minds our people are on edge.
039 Mordin: Must counteract sabotage, stop me if you must.
040 Mordin: Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
041 Mordin: Shepard *inhale* excellent timing, good to have you here.
042 Mordin: No appologies, did what was right, hope you do the same if neccessary.
043 Mordin: Wanted you to know I'm willing to do what's neccessary.
044 Mordin: Personal interest negligable, sang a little, multispecies productions for cultural exploration, Gilbert and Sullivan, always had me do the patter songs.
045 Wrex: My people have a saying, seek the enemy of your enemy and you will find a friend.
046 Wrex: I know how this will end but I will not back down, I can't, face me in single combat Shepard, let me die with honor.
047 Wrex: One day there will be payback for all that my people have suffered. One of us will see that day.
049 Wrex: I know what you did...Shepard.
050 Wrex: I should have been this way back on Virmire, but I made the mistake of trusting you, believing you were my friend, I was a fool.
052 Wrex: We're curing the genophage no matter what it takes. Everything my people will ever be depends on it.
057 Eve: Your courage for my people will be remembered. *cough* You won't be alone in your fight.
058 Eve: You just spared our race another genocide commander.
059 Eve: Are you here to kill me?
060 Wrex: You're picking that thing over us?
061 Grunt: Shepard is my battlemaster he has no match.
062 same as 061 change he to she
063 Grunt: I am Grunt if you are worthy of your command, prove your strenth, and try to destroy me.
064 Garrus: It's so much easier to see the world in black and white, grey, I don't know what do to with grey.
065 Garrus: I got fed up with all the beuracratic crap on the citadel, figured I could do more good on my own.
066 Garrus: I like to expect the worst, there's a small chance I'll be pleasently surprised.
067 Legion: Shepard Commander.
070 Chakwas: I understand, good luck Shepard. I hope we'll see each other again.
071 Chakwas: I watched them die. They were processed, rendered down into some raw genetic paste and pumped through these tubes.
072 Chakwas: I've lived a full life, no regrets. I'd like to see the crew gets the same opportunity.
073 Tali: If we don't think about the needs of the whole crew, people could get hurt, even killed.
074 Zaeed: Won't do any good, hell of a fight Shepard. Should have seen it *dies*
075 Zaeed: Looks like I was the only one to make it out alive.
080 Samara: I'm sorry Shepard. By the justicar's code, there's only one way to save Valair.
081 Samara: Farewell Shepard.
082 Samara: It has reminded me of what is truely important, why I swore I'd lay down my life.
083 Tali: I'm sorry.
084 Cortez?: Welcome aboard Shepard.
085 Kaidan?: I just want to know, is the person I'd follow to hell and back still in there? somewhere?
086 Zaeed: I've survived this long watching my own back, no time to worry about anyone else.
087 Zaeed: Good get it out of the way so we can concentrate on being big ****** heroes.
088 Zaeed: You must be Commander Shepard, I hear we have a galaxy to save.
089 Kaiden: I've got a few scratches and dents, I hope they just give me character.
090 Kaiden: That won't happen commander, go get her, I'll see you all when you get back.
091 Kaiden: Belay that, we can handle ourselves, go back and get Williams, it's the right choice and you know it Ash.
092 Kaiden: It's done Commander. Go get Williams and get the **** out of here, it's the right choice and you know it Ash
095 Jacob: I'll march in to whatever hell you want, but not with a fake smile on my face, nothing positive about grinning like an idiot.
096 Jacob: I'ts a **** of a job isn't it Shepard? Being the good guys.
099 Tali: I beg you do not do this, please.
100 Tali: So much space, walls of stone, it's amazing. I wish my friends could see it. I wish Shepard were here.
101 Legion: Shepard Commander.
102 Legion: Does this unit have a soul?
103 Legion: Shepard Commander, the Geth only acted in defence after the creators attacked. Do we deserve death?
104 Legion: Shepard Commander, help us.
105 Legion: Shepard Commander, the Geth do not wish you harm. You are an ally against the heretics and old machines.
108 Thane: Kalihera, mistress of inscrutable depths. I ask forgiveness.
109 Thane: You are a great protector Siha but some things are beyond even you.
110 Thane: It seems there will be no one to mourn me when I die. You're the only friend I've made in 10 years.
111 Thane: Just don't make the same mistake I did, there's always another mission. None of them are an excuse to make yourself an island.

In addition the file wwise_norhub_dreams.afc has the music and sfx for the dream sequences so far the only ones I have discerened voices from are these.
001: Help me
002: definitely a voice but I can't tell what it's saying
003: also a voice, can't tell again

Edit: fixed a few screwups

EDIT: changed 085 as per 401Kill 
and 034-8, 060 per Rifneno

Modifié par Davik Kang, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[401 Kill]

#085 On the quotes is Kaidan, not Cortez.